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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Feb 19, 2010 15:28:48 GMT -5
Steroids are the reason for the increasing amount of deaths in wrestling, this is why WWE has been stricter on the issue. This and others (fans) using steroids and suffering the same fate.
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Post by barley96 on Feb 19, 2010 16:24:58 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that if someone wants to use a drug like steriods in their personal lives, whatever. However, for the time being they are illegal and wrestlers abusing steroids is affecting the whole business.
Looking at this from a business perspective, steroids have shortened people's lives and creates bad publicity, so I agree with Vince McMahon to being strict on steroid use.
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Post by Big L on Feb 19, 2010 16:35:36 GMT -5
Steroids are the reason for the increasing amount of deaths in wrestling, this is why WWE has been stricter on the issue. yep very true
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 19, 2010 17:17:19 GMT -5
Just a heads-up: Don't bring street drugs into this discussion.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 19, 2010 17:25:02 GMT -5
Okay, so they are not healthy for u. But so is smoking and alcoholl. Nobody says that Vince should stop wrestlers from drinking and smoking, but everybody seems to think WWE should stop guys from using steroids. You've got to be kidding me. Alcohol and cigarettes take years to become lethal, and that's in cases of a daily consumption of large amounts of these products. Steroids can kill you at any given moment because they increase the blood flow to extends the body is not built for, sometimes to the point the heart pumps AIR instead of blood, and because it makes your muscular gain raise at an unnatural pace which, again, the body can't handle. And don't get me started on the cases of roid rage. So not only can steroids hurt the guy taking them, they can also hurt the people around them.
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Post by dc09 on Feb 19, 2010 17:30:27 GMT -5
Wasn't Steve Austin charged with assaulting his wife to do with roid rage?
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Post by jobsquad on Feb 19, 2010 17:37:46 GMT -5
Okay, so they are not healthy for u. But so is smoking and alcoholl. Nobody says that Vince should stop wrestlers from drinking and smoking, but everybody seems to think WWE should stop guys from using steroids. You've got to be kidding me. Alcohol and cigarettes take years to become lethal, and that's in cases of a daily consumption of large amounts of these products. Steroids can kill you at any given moment because they increase the blood flow to extends the body is not built for, sometimes to the point the heart pumps AIR instead of blood, and because it makes your muscular gain raise at an unnatural pace which, again, the body can't handle. And don't get me started on the cases of roid rage. So not only can steroids hurt the guy taking them, they can also hurt the people around them. With all due respect, you've got to be kidding me. I have never heard of one death that was strictly steroid related, not one that could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Someone dies, they do an autopsy and find steroids among other things, and that is what people latch on to. As far as roid rage, I have been around so many people on the stuff, and I have never seen this myth in person. So please, get started on the roid rage. Short story: it is common practice to give jerks a placebo that they think is steroids, like a natural supplement in it's place. You do this when the guys are over bearing or whatever, and you do it mainly as a joke. No, I have never done it personally. Anyway, these placebo pills that someone thinks is Anadrol makes people experience the roid rage effects. The truth is, they think they will be justified to smack their girlfriend or whatever because they are on teh steroids. It is all, 100% BS. If you really want to argue about steroids, go to muscular development and lay this type of thing out, they will gladly set you straight, complete with medical proof against the common misconceptions.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 19, 2010 17:38:53 GMT -5
Chris Benoit, Rick Rude and Mr Perfect are good examples of what is definitely wrong about wrestlers taking steroids. Curt Hennig overdosed on cocaine. He may have had health issues due to 'roids but it wasn't like Davey, Rude or Eddy who had heart attacks directly caused by steroids.
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Post by dc09 on Feb 19, 2010 17:43:28 GMT -5
Chris Benoit, Rick Rude and Mr Perfect are good examples of what is definitely wrong about wrestlers taking steroids. Curt Hennig overdosed on cocaine. He may have had health issues due to 'roids but it wasn't like Davey, Rude or Eddy who had heart attacks directly caused by steroids. I admit I did my research on wikipedia and while he did die of a cocaine overdose Hennig's own father stated that steroids probably contributed to heart problems and his death. The examples you used are better though.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 19, 2010 17:43:42 GMT -5
What's wrong with taking steroids? Ask Eddie Guerrero, Davey Boy Smith, Hawk, Bossman, Rude, Mr. Perfect, Hercules Hernandez, and countless others that died from heart related issues due to drugs before age 45. Don't know about you, but I'm damn tired of watching wrestlers I grew up loving dropping dead before they hit 50; 40, in the cases of Guerrero & Bulldog.
Say what you will about Hennig, but if he was doing hard coke, steroids isn't much of a stretch, given his profession.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 19, 2010 17:45:19 GMT -5
Well, there's that whole "it kills them" thing...
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Post by dc09 on Feb 19, 2010 17:49:38 GMT -5
Andrew "Test" Martin is probably the worst example as he died at the age of 33.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 19, 2010 18:09:17 GMT -5
Andrew "Test" Martin is probably the worst example as he died at the age of 33. Test died due to an overdose of OxyContin. There's no question that he used 'roids, but that's not what killed him.
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Post by weaselboy on Feb 19, 2010 18:24:09 GMT -5
View the Chyna porno
THAT'S WHATS WRONG WITH DOING STEROIDS!!!!!!
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Post by dc09 on Feb 19, 2010 18:25:25 GMT -5
Andrew "Test" Martin is probably the worst example as he died at the age of 33. Test died due to an overdose of OxyContin. There's no question that he used 'roids, but that's not what killed him. Forgive my ignorance, I wasn't sure what OxyContin was.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 19, 2010 18:30:58 GMT -5
Test died due to an overdose of OxyContin. There's no question that he used 'roids, but that's not what killed him. Forgive my ignorance, I wasn't sure what OxyContin was. No problem bro. I didn't even realize I was correcting you again, I'm not tryin' to be a dick. I'm just really anal about stuff like this. Hell, probably half my posts on this forum are me pointing out a factual error on someones part.
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Post by The OP on Feb 19, 2010 18:44:12 GMT -5
Personally, I think other drugs like painkillers and cocaine have had more to do with wrestlers dying young than steroids. The guys that just did steroids but not really other drugs are in bad shape now physically, some of them, but most of those guys seem to be still alive. Hell, Billy Graham is the guy who popularized the steroid physique in wrestling and he's still around. He didn't even know they were bad for you when he first started with them and took them without inhibition.
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Post by segaz on Feb 19, 2010 19:02:39 GMT -5
What's wrong with taking steroids? Ask Eddie Guerrero, Davey Boy Smith, Hawk, Bossman, Rude, Mr. Perfect, Hercules Hernandez, and countless others that died from heart related issues due to drugs before age 45. Don't know about you, but I'm damn tired of watching wrestlers I grew up loving dropping dead before they hit 50; 40, in the cases of Guerrero & Bulldog. Say what you will about Hennig, but if he was doing hard coke, steroids isn't much of a stretch, given his profession. Bossman? Really? Not all wrestlers had to have 'the look', what about Piper? Jake the Snake? Undertaker always wore a suit...
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Feb 19, 2010 19:11:07 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with guys using steroids as long as they don't go overboard and just use the amount there doctor says.
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Post by H-Fist on Feb 19, 2010 19:25:20 GMT -5
There are a lot of good posts in this thread. Anabolic steroids are basically synthetic testosterone. Male hormones. What they do is induce "masculinity": increased lean muscle mass, vocal cord and body hair effects, and a bunch of other things.
The negatives are largely cardiac-related. They raise LDLs and lower HDLs, which leads to hypertension. Hypertension has its own whole host of problems, potentially leading to strokes, heart attacks, hemorrhages, and plenty of other conditions. Resting blood glucose level and glucose tolerance levels change. Liver damage results from oral steroid use, as the metabolism of anything that enters through the digestive system has to go through the liver. The heart occasionally begins to struggle pumping blood to the lower extremities as opposed to the upper body. Pathological left ventricular hypertrophy (the left ventricle thickens in a bad way) can become a problem, as the bulkier muscle struggles to pass oxygenated blood from the lungs via left atrium to the aorta at the proper speed. Other heart-related issues can arise.
What few studies are available link these health issues, as well as psychological issues and mood disorders, with severity of steroid abuse. Strength training via weight lifting tends to have baseline effects, while steroids at any level of usage increase the odds of and/or severity of development of symptoms.
Steroids are certainly not healthy when used for most purposes, if we consider increasing risk factors for coronary heart disease and other causes of death to be unhealthy.
Legality, of course, is another issue. Many countries control steroids. They are Rx only in the U.S. and used in very specific types of scenarios. In Mexico, though, they are more or less available OTC. So American wrestlers who use steroids are either getting an improper (thus, illegal) prescription from a doctor or participating in illegal international drug trafficking. Neither of those is a particularly good use of time. And it also makes for awful publicity.
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The tangential point that needs to be made is linking bumping, juicing, and death. Why do people die when they fall from high places? Because they smack into the ground at high speeds. But what is actually happening that causes the death? Inertia. The person falls. The person hits a solid surface. The skeleton stops. The organs keep going. So they tear loose and/or get severed by broken ribs.
Wrestlers don't (often) need to worry about the broken rib part, though it does happen. But they do need to consider the constant impact from lower heights that bumping essentially is. A bump off a clothesline is only so many feet. But it does cause the aorta some shock. Not enough to do anything *now.* But as they add up, one has to think of what happens to an elastic band or hair stretchy over time and many uses. It becomes weaker bit by bit.
Now bring in steroids. High blood pressure. The heart, aorta, and other major blood vessels are under increased stress from the inside. Arteries become a little bit hard. The steroids speed the high cholesterol as well as the workout recovery time. Mix in a pain-killer, which alongside steroids makes it even easier for wrestlers to bump night in and night out as well as look good.
So night in and night out, there is more to worry about than just concussions and sub-concussions (which likely have a whole lot of responsibility for many, many wrestler and football player early deaths and dementia). The body is being placed under unnatural stresses, with the heart and the aorta taking a large amount of that force. Steroids aren't that big a player in the game. But they very likely play a role in speeding things up. The heart is taking a beating it wasn't evolved to take.
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