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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Feb 18, 2010 10:01:13 GMT -5
So technically, Vince screwed the crowd. Actually, there are 3 jokes I can use for this: 1. The WWE Universe screwed the WWE Universe. 2. THEY DESERVED TO BE SCREWED! And, because it's been stuck in my head recent ly: 3. It's the ULTIMATE SHOCKING SWERVE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT! Fixed for more schiavoness
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Feb 18, 2010 10:12:08 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from?
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Post by Baixo Astral on Feb 18, 2010 10:26:18 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from? This. Totally. Was there a memo from Meltzer or something, mandating that he was a bad thing now, just because he won the title of a dead brand to give him some momentum that Christian definitely DIDN'T need?
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Post by Ragnal on Feb 18, 2010 11:21:56 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from? This. Totally. Was there a memo from Meltzer or something, mandating that he was a bad thing now, just because he won the title of a dead brand to give him some momentum that Christian definitely DIDN'T need? It's not even that. I think Zeke's a good wrestler, but at the same time I don't feel he's ready enough to become a main eventer or get a huge push. Something like this is basically going to blow up in their faces, and fail to get Zeke over like they plan to.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 18, 2010 11:46:18 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from? It is more of a reaction to the same old crap. They have someone that could be special if he were allowed to properly develop. Instead, it is starting to feel like he is getting the same overpush before ripeness that has ruined the ability to get into a number of guys. Tell me if he reminds you of any of the following guys: Ahmed Johnson: Huge hoss that had some charisma, but was pushed too hard long before he was capable of sustaining the workload. Did not last long in the spotlight. Bobby Lashley: He could have actually been something. He was being given a huge push early, but it is easier to swallow at the US/IC level. Had they waited until the next draft instead of shoehorning him into the ECW title, I think that the backlash against him would have been much lower. Sheamus: Right concept for a monster push, but bad application. Sheamus should be US champ right now (Miz doesn't need it, especially with the tag titles). Instead, they leapfrogged that and put a huge rush on the guys development. At least McIntire is being booked as an impressive midcarder on the rise. All of those guys had their detractors, and while Zeke's push as of now does not really deserve hate, it reminds people of pushes that did.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 18, 2010 12:01:32 GMT -5
For the Record:
My problem isnt Zeke winning,its the crappy ending for ECW
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Post by Baixo Astral on Feb 18, 2010 12:05:33 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from? It is more of a reaction to the same old crap. They have someone that could be special if he were allowed to properly develop. Instead, it is starting to feel like he is getting the same overpush before ripeness that has ruined the ability to get into a number of guys. Tell me if he reminds you of any of the following guys: Ahmed Johnson: Huge hoss that had some charisma, but was pushed too hard long before he was capable of sustaining the workload. Did not last long in the spotlight. Bobby Lashley: He could have actually been something. He was being given a huge push early, but it is easier to swallow at the US/IC level. Had they waited until the next draft instead of shoehorning him into the ECW title, I think that the backlash against him would have been much lower. Sheamus: Right concept for a monster push, but bad application. Sheamus should be US champ right now (Miz doesn't need it, especially with the tag titles). Instead, they leapfrogged that and put a huge rush on the guys development. At least McIntire is being booked as an impressive midcarder on the rise. All of those guys had their detractors, and while Zeke's push as of now does not really deserve hate, it reminds people of pushes that did. Kinda agree, but I'd say his closest comparison is Ahmed J. That guy's attitude and injury proneness derailed his push, and there was nothing that could be done to fix him after that - he was over as heck prior to that, though.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 18, 2010 12:16:11 GMT -5
For the Record: My problem isnt Zeke winning,its the crappy ending for ECW I kinda think ECW was an afterthought for most of 2009. And I think you can prove conclusively that people will overwhelmingly turn against anyone who wins a title (even if its a dead brand!) on this site.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 18, 2010 14:10:37 GMT -5
Actually if you look at it objectively, ignoring face and heel dynamics, Regal and Zeke have been chasing Christian for months, losing time and time again. It would actually be pointless for Christian to win again, it would make that whole entire angle pointless if they end the entire show without either of them ever winning the belt.
Christian wins, Beat down, Christian wins, he's beat down, Christian wins, continue for 6 months, the show's over people thanks for watching.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 18, 2010 14:22:39 GMT -5
WWE does that storyline too much, with the heels chasing the faces for a long time before finally winning. It is odd really since it sets up blowoffs where the heels in theory need to win, which goes against basic common sense booking.
Why is it that this Christian/Ezekiel match reminded me of the 1992 US tag title killing bout between the Freebirds and Dick Slater/Barbarian. For whatever random reason Slater and Barbarian won the belts and then they were killed off. I think the mentality is that a more legit team like the Freebirds shouldn't be seen as the "guys who killed the belts" so a nothing team was put over to kill the titles.
Could this be the same mentality for Ezekiel, to not have Christian be the guy who "killed the belt?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2010 15:35:33 GMT -5
Like previous posters have said, Zeke needs the momentum and Christian is already over. Zeke has impressed me for the past few months and his Royal Rumble match with Christian was really impressive. I could see Zeke being a possible future main eventer and this could be a great angle for him. I'm looking forward to next weeks SD if he signs with SD and see what happens next.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 18, 2010 15:38:35 GMT -5
I like Zeke, I want him to have a good reign with the belt, will be interesting to see which direction they go with it.
Christian is way over, he doesn't really need the ECW Title now.
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Post by taylorandborland on Feb 18, 2010 15:50:02 GMT -5
Zeke isn't a good wrestler but I support him. He should've gotten the strap off of Christian back at the Rumble.
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Post by Jackson "The Cool" Carter on Feb 18, 2010 15:51:24 GMT -5
Well I really like all this, I think he's awesome.
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Post by Quote the Tozz, Nevermore. on Feb 18, 2010 15:58:22 GMT -5
I think Zeke should've won it, only sooner, I know it was to give him momentum heading to wherever, but still, bit pointless for him to get a measly 2 minutes of glory.
As they left it so late for him to win it, Christian really should've held on to it. He doesn't need it, but it would have pleased me, being a Christian fan.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 18, 2010 18:35:42 GMT -5
Where the hell did all the Zeke hate come from? This. Totally. Was there a memo from Meltzer or something, mandating that he was a bad thing now, just because he won the title of a dead brand to give him some momentum that Christian definitely DIDN'T need? This always happens though, when someone starts to be successful and get a push the general hate begins. There are some people who are such mega IWC favorites that they get to be exceptions, but Zeek obviously isn't one of them. It even happened to Kofi
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 18, 2010 18:40:46 GMT -5
This. Totally. Was there a memo from Meltzer or something, mandating that he was a bad thing now, just because he won the title of a dead brand to give him some momentum that Christian definitely DIDN'T need? This always happens though, when someone starts to be successful and get a push the general hate begins. There are some people who are such mega IWC favorites that they get to be exceptions, but Zeek obviously isn't one of them. It even happened to Kofi And then then irony is, if the company takes their time with guys, they are accused of giving us the 'same old crap' and not creating new stars. If they push someone quickly, it's bad because we didn't get a chance to know them, and if a guy that they did take their time with finally wins a main event title, it's said that the company waited too long to pull the trigger, that the buzz is gone and that the particular guy was a victim of yoyo booking. They can't win.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 18, 2010 18:52:28 GMT -5
Actually if you look at it objectively, ignoring face and heel dynamics, Regal and Zeke have been chasing Christian for months, losing time and time again. It would actually be pointless for Christian to win again, it would make that whole entire angle pointless if they end the entire show without either of them ever winning the belt. Christian wins, Beat down, Christian wins, he's beat down, Christian wins, continue for 6 months, the show's over people thanks for watching. I can agree with this. It would suck for Regal if he never got any semblance of a win.
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Post by taylorandborland on Feb 18, 2010 18:55:37 GMT -5
This. Totally. Was there a memo from Meltzer or something, mandating that he was a bad thing now, just because he won the title of a dead brand to give him some momentum that Christian definitely DIDN'T need? This always happens though, when someone starts to be successful and get a push the general hate begins. There are some people who are such mega IWC favorites that they get to be exceptions, but Zeek obviously isn't one of them. It even happened to Kofi Quick question: When was Zeke ever an IWC favorite? People liked him in a background role, or reading the Cat in the Hat with Spanky but everybody knew how green he was.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 18, 2010 19:02:12 GMT -5
This always happens though, when someone starts to be successful and get a push the general hate begins. There are some people who are such mega IWC favorites that they get to be exceptions, but Zeek obviously isn't one of them. It even happened to Kofi Quick question: When was Zeke ever an IWC favorite? People liked him in a background role, or reading the Cat in the Hat with Spanky but everybody knew how green he was. He was never to my knowledge, I didn't say or imply that.
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