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Post by Rorschach on Feb 1, 2010 2:50:24 GMT -5
I think it's a huge joke, in all honesty. He was booked as this huge Irish monster and now he doesn't get to beat anybody that isn't Evan Bourne. Finlay is more of an Irish monster than...no wait a minute. Wait a goddamn minute here. HORNSWOGGLE is more of an Irish monster than Sheamus is. Compare their win/loss records, and methods of victory. If that doesn't blow your f*****g mind, I don't know what will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 2:55:35 GMT -5
He's being booked as if he had a character like The Miz, as opposed to someone who's supposed to be this dominant guy who has Cena's number. Just makes no sense. I get wanting a cowardly heel that squeaks by his opponents but he's the wrong guy for that purpose.
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Post by stormwrestling on Feb 1, 2010 3:00:14 GMT -5
Why does he never pin main eventers? It's always by DQ. He only pins jobbers.
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Feb 1, 2010 3:02:18 GMT -5
Bad booking. Juts like Misterio and Benoit.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 1, 2010 3:04:58 GMT -5
Its a much needed fresh face in the main event scene Except he isn't in the main event scene, that's the point. He's been booked as a fluke, a midcarder who got lucky when Cena happened to fall through a table and has ridden that luck to scrape past by the skin of his teeth whenever he's faced a "real" main eventer. Which might work for some like The Miz, as someone said, but the announcers keep putting him over as a monster. It makes no sense. Who has he beaten since he came on Raw? He retired Jamie Noble, who most people had even forgotten still worked there, defeated Evan Bourne, who is the designated midcard jobber, and beat MVP, a guy who has been treading water for a while until The Miz needed someone to defend his belt against. Hardly the resume of a main eventer, much less the WWE champion.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 1, 2010 3:38:19 GMT -5
You know its funny, Miz and Sheamus both have had the exact opposite booking as of late that you would expect.
Sheamus, the monster heel WWE champion, has gotten largely fluke victories over lower carders, looked dubious against higher talent, looks cowardly in many situations, and isn't even the focus on Raw.
Miz on the other hand, as the arrogant loud mouthed US champion, has defeated his more highly regarded parter, led his Survivor Series team to victory (with the highest number of survivors), beaten most of his opponents clean, and is appearing on Raw more and more frequently.
Quite odd.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 1, 2010 3:51:09 GMT -5
Yes. It's making me switch over to UFC Fight Night when Sheamus shows up.
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Post by Tyfo on Feb 1, 2010 4:13:04 GMT -5
First of all I'll say that I'm a big fan of Sheamus and I was VERY happy when he won the title. Because not only does it add a much needed new face to a very very stale RAW main event scene in desperate need of somebody new, but it also gives some fresh match ups.
Now onto the problems. They are absolutely terrified to book him over a main eventer unless it's an absolute fluke. This is the guy who spent his first few weeks on RAW annihilating Jamie Noble and getting to the point that people were to afraid to come out and face him. He should be booked as a beast. Instead his title win was fluky, ok no big deal if you have a good follow up......the next night he has about 2 minutes of screen time..........ON A 3 HOUR RAW!
Since then I think the only people he has DECISIVELY beaten are MVP and Evan Bourne. If he were to pin Cena or Triple H or Shawn Michaels do they think that it will just completely destroy their fan reaction and they will be reduced to nothingness? Put the guy over somebody clean for God's sake.
They can't go the JBL route with him because that's just not his gimmick. JBL was a cowardly loudmouth and it MADE SENSE that he weaseled out wins in all his title matches, that's what he was supposed to be. Sheamus has been booked to be a monster who should be rolling though competition.
Look at how they booked Brock Lesnar in 2002. He destroyed the Hardy Boyz, defeated Rob Van Dam cleanly, just completely beat down Hulk Hogan and made him pass out on national TV, and pinned The Rock clean to win the title. Lesnar was a rookie monster and he was booked accordingly. Sheamus is a rookie monster who's booked: 1) as an afterthought despite the fact he holds the promotions top title, and 2) as if he's a JBL style cowardly heel champion.
If you were willing to put a guy who was on TV for about 4 months over guys like HULK HOGAN AND THE ROCK then surely Sheamus could get a win or two over a John Cena or Triple H. I think most people will agree that they saw Lesnar as a legit threat because he was booked as such. With Sheamus it's like they talk him up as one but just hope that you'll take their word for it instead of showing you. It's really frustrating honestly.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 1, 2010 4:27:02 GMT -5
^ Totally agree.
You know what an informed attribute is? It's when a character is talked about as being good at something but they never show it. Like for example if someone is talked about as being a great artist but their work is never seen or saying repeatedly that someone is fluent in seven languages but they are only ever heard to speak English..
Sheamus is the wrestling equivilent. They talk about him being a monster and a man to be feared but he's never shown doing anything that justifies this reputation. And, like with most informed attributes, the audience doesn't buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 5:53:54 GMT -5
Well, they've obviously put the cart before the horse. If Sheamus was pushed like this, without the title, it would work a lot better and perhaps wouldn't set him up for so much hate. As I said, I'm a Sheamus fan, so I can't help but enjoy and wish for his reign to continue. At the same point, I still have enough critical faculties to know that if you're going to rocket someone up the card like this, that this is not the way to do it. QFT. I really hate how Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler...well...I hate them anyway, but I really hate how they say Sheamus has been so dominate against the likes of Evan Bourne, Jamie Noble, and Jimmy Wang Yang even though the WWE treats them like they're completely irrelevant. I think it's a huge joke, in all honesty. He was booked as this huge Irish monster and now he doesn't get to beat anybody that isn't Evan Bourne. Finlay is more of an Irish monster than...no wait a minute. Wait a goddamn minute here. HORNSWOGGLE is more of an Irish monster than Sheamus is. Compare their win/loss records, and methods of victory. If that doesn't blow your f*****g mind, I don't know what will. Well then there is only one solution to this...Sheamus vs Hornswoggle, in which Hornswoggle gets beaten worse than he was by JBL. After the match, Sheamus pours wet Lucky Charms all over him. Sheamus then attacks the RAW announce team, putting them and Horny off of TV for a long, LONG time... Can't I dream?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 1, 2010 13:32:47 GMT -5
Another thing that bugs the hell out of me...he's not the focus of Raw. Isn't there like some rule that makes the WWE Champion the top dog on Raw, yet most people don't care.
I still don't get why they put the title on him if all they were going to do is bitch him out, other than OMGWTFBBQ ITZ NEW, which wore off after December.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 1, 2010 13:47:27 GMT -5
I don't blame Sheamus really, cos he's doing all he can to make himself seem legit. Its the bookers getting cold feet all the time, and having all his big matches be utterly lame DQs.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow won the Elimination Chamber by DQ.
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Post by Bishblast on Feb 1, 2010 13:54:04 GMT -5
Absolutely not.
The most I've liked the guy was in his AWESOME feud with Goldust... he was a really solid mid carder, but as a main event champ, I think he's just lacking allot of polish, character refinement, and especially heat.
I'm all for new guys getting pushed, but jesus... he needed about a half a year more to truly get him up to that level. He's not Bradshaw, who can gather enough heat in a month to justify a title push... he's a vanilla hoss gimmick that no one really cares for. The crowds are pretty much totally indifferent to him.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 1, 2010 14:00:05 GMT -5
You know its funny, Miz and Sheamus both have had the exact opposite booking as of late that you would expect. Sheamus, the monster heel WWE champion, has gotten largely fluke victories over lower carders, looked dubious against higher talent, looks cowardly in many situations, and isn't even the focus on Raw. Miz on the other hand, as the arrogant loud mouthed US champion, has defeated his more highly regarded parter, led his Survivor Series team to victory (with the highest number of survivors), beaten most of his opponents clean, and is appearing on Raw more and more frequently. Quite odd. Miz doesn't decisively beat his fellow mid-carders in quick fashion, he has competitive matches with them. Sheamus decisively beats mid-carders (like Bourne and MVP) but doesn't quite beat main eventers. He's right where he needs to be to be honest. It's just a way of protecting the rest of their main eventers on Raw. He still looks like he belongs there, because he can quickly and easily beat a mid-carder. However he can still get heat by weaselling out of title matches. To say the fans aren't buying it isn't really fair, because they are reacting to him. Besdies, in this incarnation of WWE it's rare you get a dominant heel. Batista is probably the closest we'll come, and even he is being more cowardly since he turned. It's kind of annoying, for instance I'd love to see Orton be a bit more dominant and less cowardly, but if they let him, the crowd would go nuts, he'd be acting more like a face and as we saw last night, they don't need a second chance to cheer him when they are given the opportunity.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 1, 2010 14:08:33 GMT -5
He's right where he needs to be to be honest. It's just a way of protecting the rest of their main eventers on Raw. He still looks like he belongs there, because he can quickly and easily beat a mid-carder. However he can still get heat by weaselling out of title matches. So basically Sheamus is the new Big Show?
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Post by Jason on Feb 1, 2010 14:10:10 GMT -5
I'm absolutely LOVING it and it's currently the best thing going on Raw, atm for me. Along with the MVP/Miz feud. I went absolutely nuts when he won last night. I think they should do heel vs heel matches more often.
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Post by Tapout on Feb 1, 2010 14:15:08 GMT -5
This entire thread has beaten the issue to death, methinks.
The main reason his title run has sucked is crappy booking. Even though the guy still can't emote and still can't cut a decent promo, and he botched his slammy speech by acting like a friggin' babyface, at this point, it really isn't his fault he failed to get over as a heel champion. He was booked into a corner.
I actually feel bad for him now.
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Post by BIG DUNC on Feb 1, 2010 14:18:10 GMT -5
he can't go to mania.
Everyone knows full well that he won't pin HHH(or whoever he's against), so unless he loses a triple threat, without being pinned, i can't see him going unless to job.
I'll go on record to saying i'll eat my hat if he pins someone clean at mania.
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Post by MGH on Feb 1, 2010 14:19:58 GMT -5
I was rooting for Orton last night, but yes this run is doing something for me. The fact that he's winning all these main matches by DQ and flukes sucks, but it isn't his fault. This isn't shoot wrestling. You can blame the bookers for that. He himself is doing everything he can in the ring when it's in his control to make himself come off more legitimate. I thought the match with Orton was the best of his career because it's the first time in a main event that he had to slow it down and actually wrestle. When he did he did it very well. The DQs and flukes are getting old, I agree, but as far as SHeamus himself goes? He's handling all this very well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 14:27:21 GMT -5
Sheamus booking reminds me of what TNA was doing with "main eventer" Daniels recently, where they try to keep him in a high spot but are afraid to have him pin anyone worthwhile for some reason.
That doesn't mean he has to CLEANLY beat opponents constantly. He's a heel after all. He should be finding his way to pinfall wins somehow though, cheating or otherwise. Even chicken heel Edge as champ was getting his pins one way or another. A champ needs to show that they can defeat their opponent. If their method of defeating an opponent is getting the ref distracted so they can shoot the babyface in the face with a bazooka and then pin him, at least they're showing that they have the ability to win a match.
*on a side note, this made me picture HHH getting shot in the face with a bazooka and kicking out at 2. =P *
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