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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 15, 2010 8:43:01 GMT -5
I went to college at the University of Cincinnati, during the tenure of basketball coach Bob Huggins. You know, the guy that took a WV basketball program from next to nothing to a #2 seed in the NCAA Tournament in about 4 years? Yeah, that guy. Well, in 2003, UC's president retired, and was succeeded by Nancy Zimpher. Nancy didn't like Bob. Bob got a DUI in 2003, and that was used as an excuse to fire him in 2005. That and the graduation rate of the "scholar" athletes in the basketball program. Not like we all don't know what they're there for. So, fast forward to 2010, WV wins the Big East and gets a #2 seed in the big dance, while UC languishes in obscurity in the Not In Tournament. Oh, and Nancy went on to State University of New York. Apparently, UC was just a resume builder. So, thanks a boatload, Nancy! You gutted a national power basketball program a couple of years before the football program started getting good. Do you know how many colleges are on the national stage that are either a football school or a basketball school, not both? Do you know how few schools are both a basketball and football power? UC could have been one of those. If you hadn't screwed over Huggs, UC would have gotten at least one Final Four in the past 5 years, and it would have happened right as the football program got a #3 ranking. Enjoy your nice cushy job at SUNY, Nancy. You're safely away from my alma mater. Good luck in the tournament, Huggs. I'll forever lament what could have been.
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Post by ani on Mar 15, 2010 9:14:50 GMT -5
Actually, State university of NY is a collective name for many school. Binghamton University is where she went too...where that school ALSO had problems and she gutted that one out pretty fast as well (although thanks to Coach Broadus contract she can't fire him.)
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 15, 2010 9:17:03 GMT -5
Well, to be frank, those on the basketball team should be there for school anyways. Only 1 or 2 of them at the most will likely make the NBA, so if they don't do anything with college they're just wasting their time and the scholarship money.
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Post by ani on Mar 15, 2010 9:18:27 GMT -5
Well, to be frank, those on the basketball team should be there for school anyways. You'd be surprise how not true that is. Half of my team was like that and they aren't even in a mid-major conference
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 15, 2010 9:38:02 GMT -5
Well, to be frank, those on the basketball team should be there for school anyways. Only 1 or 2 of them at the most will likely make the NBA, so if they don't do anything with college they're just wasting their time and the scholarship money. Yeah, they SHOULD be there for school, but the sad reality is, in this day and age, a barely literate, dumb as a box of rocks kid can get into college, play a game he loves, and maybe pick up a skill that will help him in his life afterward. If he doesn't make the NBA, there's Europe, there's Asia, and there's get a job with that skill you hopefully picked up while there.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Mar 15, 2010 9:42:13 GMT -5
The American college sports scholarship system seriously confuses me.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 15, 2010 9:44:14 GMT -5
Actually, State university of NY is a collective name for many school. Binghamton University is where she went too...where that school ALSO had problems and she gutted that one out pretty fast as well (although thanks to Coach Broadus contract she can't fire him.) This may be a matter of opinion, but for my money, Nancy's the problem.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Mar 15, 2010 9:45:49 GMT -5
See, I don't understand - why would she gut the programs at these schools? Is it in her interest to do so?
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Post by ani on Mar 15, 2010 10:18:34 GMT -5
Actually, State university of NY is a collective name for many school. Binghamton University is where she went too...where that school ALSO had problems and she gutted that one out pretty fast as well (although thanks to Coach Broadus contract she can't fire him.) This may be a matter of opinion, but for my money, Nancy's the problem. Sorry but she wasn't the one dealing crack, getting players off the hook for drugs or stealing debit cards and purchasing items with them.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 15, 2010 10:19:15 GMT -5
Well, she tends to run the universities she's at from an idealistic standpoint. Basically, it's the academics that matter, and ideally, that's what the universities are there to do. But the way it works in the real world, you're in compeitition with everyone for your students, and if your athletic programs are good, your enrollment will be good. She didn't like Huggs because he was a part of the reality of colleges these days, and she used a two year old DUI and a less than stellar academic record of the basketball players to get him out, and put someone in that was more in line with her ideals. In the end, they have a lackluster athletic department that runs a $2 million defecit, and we have her ideals to thank for it.
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Post by BK From WV on Mar 15, 2010 10:23:56 GMT -5
As a West Virginian,I'll gladly give you Huggins back. I can't stand the man.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Mar 15, 2010 10:45:10 GMT -5
I still don't get it - college president thinks that the academics of the institution are most important, and that makes her wrong? Do kids that have no chance of playing for the team go to college in the US just because they have good sports representation?
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Post by BK From WV on Mar 15, 2010 10:50:05 GMT -5
I still don't get it - college president thinks that the academics of the institution are most important, and that makes her wrong? Do kids that have no chance of playing for the team go to college in the US just because they have good sports representation? Some of them do. Now,not every kid does but quite a few. At least the ones I knew did. Again,I know not every kid does this but I know some people who went to WVU and Marshall here just because they could get into the ball games for free. Oh,they wanted their education as well and most of them did graduate(a couple didn't). However,one of the main factors in their decision was the football and basketball teams.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Mar 15, 2010 10:57:52 GMT -5
As a West Virginian,I'll gladly give you Huggins back. I can't stand the man. Marshall fan?
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Post by JDviant on Mar 15, 2010 11:05:16 GMT -5
Do kids that have no chance of playing for the team go to college in the US just because they have good sports representation? It is a major draw. Schools that have just won a major championship have a lot more national coverage and a lot of potential students are aware of them. If I can go to two schools that are academically the same, but one is a national powerhouse, why wouldn't I chose that one?
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Mar 15, 2010 11:09:18 GMT -5
If the grouping of this thread and another on the off-topic page is any indication, I think "Screw You" threads will be to Off-Topic what "[Blank] Appreciation Threads" are to the WWE forum.
Except these threads are awesome. And not overplayed. Yet.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Mar 15, 2010 11:24:38 GMT -5
Do kids that have no chance of playing for the team go to college in the US just because they have good sports representation? It is a major draw. Schools that have just won a major championship have a lot more national coverage and a lot of potential students are aware of them. If I can go to two schools that are academically the same, but one is a national powerhouse, why wouldn't I chose that one? Because you liked the city it was in?
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Post by JDviant on Mar 15, 2010 11:30:01 GMT -5
Because you liked the city it was in? Which is perfectly fine, and people just liking geographical regions is another reason they chose schools instead of only academic reasons.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 15, 2010 11:40:21 GMT -5
Well, to be frank, those on the basketball team should be there for school anyways. You'd be surprise how not true that is. Half of my team was like that and they aren't even in a mid-major conference I said they should be, I know well enough that they're not (sports economics was actually one of my fields of study at school). The problem is criticizing the president for daring to think that the student part of student-athletes should be upheld. Most college athletes don't go overseas, they don't go to the NBA and don't even make the D-leagues. They go back to their neighborhoods as drop-outs with little skills having been used to make the AD and head coaches a lot of money. And, really, studies have shown that academics and athletics show very little correlation with each other. A strong athletics program really does little for the academic portion of the school (if I recall correctly, the only correlation is that the entrance test scores increased slightly), they operate in their own separate universes. The best students aren't swayed by a strong athletics program, they choose the schools based on what they think is the best for them and what they can afford. A strong athletics program just creates a strong athletics program, and may even siphon donors away from given to academics for the sake of the athletics. In the end, they have a lackluster athletic department that runs a $2 million defecit, and we have her ideals to thank for it. You have your donors to thank for the deficit. The academic side isn't, and shouldn't, be there to bolster the athletics.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 15, 2010 12:02:40 GMT -5
I still don't get it - college president thinks that the academics of the institution are most important, and that makes her wrong? Do kids that have no chance of playing for the team go to college in the US just because they have good sports representation? If you're a top flight student, not really. They tend to pick schools based on programs they want to pursue, costs if its relevant, environment as well as other factors. Sports doesn't really make the student body any better. Now, there are some exceptions for those who grew up watching certain schools, but really, even the best of them will often go wherever they think gives them the best chance to succeed based on different factors such as cost, size, environment, academics, etc. Sports isn't really as big of a deal as people think. The American college sports scholarship system seriously confuses me. The vast majority of athletic systems in American colleges operate as distinct entities from the university proper. Scholarships are generally gotten from funds given by donors to the sports programs, whereas academic scholarships are given from donors or other revenue streams to the academic side. In the very rare occasion, one side might give a small amount of money to the other, but in reality they don't tend to mix.
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