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Post by DASH 243✅ on Apr 28, 2010 19:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by Young Game on Apr 28, 2010 19:34:01 GMT -5
 "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say." |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 28, 2010 19:52:42 GMT -5
Maybe so, but as any hack magician, con artist etc could attest to, the eye and by extension the mind is pretty easy to fool.
I personally don't believe in ghosts, but won't condemn those you do by claiming they're 'delusional'.. but from your statements you're going too far in the other direction.
'Personal experience' doesn't constitute empirical evidence at all; the mind and memory will see what it wants to see and interpret that based on its own perspective, but you can't call that evidence.
'I know what I saw' isn't an ironclad argument, and it's certainly not proof.
Again, I'm not knocking anyone's beliefs, but let's not confuse personal anecdotal experiences that can in no way be verified with concrete, tangible evidence.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Apr 28, 2010 20:02:21 GMT -5
If ghosts are real (I'm 100% sure they are not, at least not what most humans comprehend as "ghosts" anyways. And that's just my opinion I'm not saying you can't believe whatever you want.) they sure as hell are afraid of me because I've straight up gone into places where people swear to have seen and heard things happen (much like in Cactus Matt's story - and not saying it didn't happen to you bro, it's just their stories are a lot like yours) and straight up done stuff like mock the ghosts, talk s***, dare them to do s***, be friendly and call them out, etc and not once has anything ever happened. I go stomping through dark houses and while everyone is afraid of a ghost showing up I tell them "I'm more afraid of being stabbed by a squatter high on drugs or bit by a snake since we're going around an abandoned building."
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Post by ICBM on Apr 28, 2010 20:04:45 GMT -5
that looks so fake
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Apr 28, 2010 20:08:43 GMT -5
About 10 years ago, give or take, I was alone in my house. (my roommates had gone on a trip, but I had work obligations so I had to stay behind.) It was just me and the cat. It was nice. I'm lying on the couch, watching a video (before the DVD boom) and petting the cat as he lies on my stomach. I heard footsteps up in the attic, but thought nothing of it, since it was an old house and sometimes they make weird noises. (for the record, none of the current occupants had been in the attic since we moved in.) But then, about a minute later, a glass that I had left on the counter - far enough from the ledge so that, if the cat decided to crawl around the kitchen, it wouldn't be easily knocked over - fell to the floor, shattering, and scaring the s*** out of both me and the cat. Then I heard footsteps in the attic again. I was on no drugs, the movie wasn't "spooky" in any way, and every living, mobile thing in the house was accounted for. Ghosts exist, no doubt in my mind. But not in that picture. That's the kind of stuff that freaks me the f*** out. Luckily I have seen a couple but it was nothing physical like that, that would scare me like nothing else. Did it ever happen again or was it a one time thing? Not that exact thing, no, but we half-jokingly blamed "Whatever" for stealing my friend's hoodie and hiding it in the stairway to the attic. (it had a door leading to the stairs.) I wasn't really freaked out, but I think it's because I didn't feel threatened. It was more mischievous than malevolent, I think. |
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Post by Ducky Momo on Apr 28, 2010 21:05:01 GMT -5
I'm stunned that grown, presumably well-adjusted individuals could be so foolishly arrogant as to believe they know certain things exist, and claim them as fact, regardless of the fact they have nothing that could even loosely be referred to as proof. The only people who I've seen assert that ghosts definitely do exist are those who have had personal experiences, and why shouldn't they? They have their own empirical evidence after all. Like the saying goes, seeing is believing. They've seen, they believe. You haven't seen, you don't believe. I'll take the opinions of the enlightened over the unenlightened every day of the week, which is why I tend to side with those who have had experiences and not the dogmatic skeptics who arrogantly insist such experiences were delusions. Yeah nice try buddy. I find it much more arrogant for someone to expect others to believe them, when their only proof is "because I say so! So believe me or I'll have a childish spat." If you want to believe something fine, but don't get mad at me for not buying into your dogma. Well other people already dismantled your post. So I'm just going to ask you two simple questions. Are you 100% certain these "experiences" couldn't be explained logically? Are you certain that these people can be trusted as honest sources, much less attention seekers, or just straight up making themselves believe it happened? Here's a story, I was with a group of friends and they were all telling ghost stories. Anyway about half way in a tree branch above us shook, lightly, yet they became completely convinced that it was some demonic power because of what we were talking about. A creature called a Lechusa, they even said the entire tree was shaking when they retold the story. It wasn't a joke, they completely convinced themselves it had happened... all of them. I was there, I saw it happened, the tree barely moved, and it had to be a medium sized bird at best. No one saw the damn Lechusa, no one heard it's "horrific" cry, yet everyone completely and honestly convinced themselves it had happened. Just serves to show people that skepticism is very important in these matters, we've all heard about the boy who cried wolf after all. So excuse me if my I'm too ignorant to believe in all the "experiences" of these "enlightened" and superior beings. |
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 28, 2010 21:18:45 GMT -5
I'm hearing now that this is a phone application that inserts this ghost kid into photos. FAKE
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Post by Orange on Apr 28, 2010 22:16:35 GMT -5
I'm hearing now that this is a phone application that inserts this ghost kid into photos. FAKE Scaring your friends with a ghost picture? There's an App for that ;D |
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Post by Kris Kobain on Apr 29, 2010 1:33:35 GMT -5
It's the Brown Lady of Raynham. www.museumofhoaxes.com/raynham.htmlIt's thought by some to be a hoax as well (I mean, obviously... there's never a consensus on these things), but if it is, it's amazing how well-done it is and how they bested Photoshop sixty years prior to it's introduction. Impressive visual tricks existed as long as photography has, though, like the Surgeon's Photograph (the famous Loch Ness Monster picture) being done with a toy submarine with a wooden head attached. A carnival promoter that is said to have "invented" the loch ness monster claimed it was an elephant swimming with it's trunk in the air. The "mosnter" was a publicity stunt to get people to come to the carnival. He was offering a reward for the capture of the monster. |
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Post by kropotkin on Apr 29, 2010 1:37:49 GMT -5
I'm stunned that grown, presumably well-adjusted individuals could be so foolishly arrogant as to believe they know certain things exist, and claim them as fact, regardless of the fact they have nothing that could even loosely be referred to as proof. The only people who I've seen assert that ghosts definitely do exist are those who have had personal experiences, and why shouldn't they? They have their own empirical evidence after all. Like the saying goes, seeing is believing. They've seen, they believe. You haven't seen, you don't believe. I'll take the opinions of the enlightened over the unenlightened every day of the week, which is why I tend to side with those who have had experiences and not the dogmatic skeptics who arrogantly insist such experiences were delusions. I think you need to look up what constitutes empirical evidence, my friend. Generally the cycle of empirical research goes something like this: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Empirical_Cycle.svgAs I think you can deduce for yourself, your claim to proof consists entirely of "presumed" observation. People are entitled to believe whatever they want. But you can't come into a conversation, have zero evidence other than persona hear-say, and then claim people are "arrogant" when they refuse to accept such evidence. It's a basic logical fallacy: it is not up to the skeptic to debunk this. It is up to the believe to make the case for something. It's the fundamental behind both the pursuit of modern science and the modern legal system. Innocent until proven guilty. Not real until proven otherwise. Thus: ghosts are not real because no verifiable evidence, or anything even vaguely close to it, for their existence exists. |
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Post by Kris Kobain on Apr 29, 2010 1:44:30 GMT -5
The only people who I've seen assert that ghosts definitely do exist are those who have had personal experiences, and why shouldn't they? They have their own empirical evidence after all. Like the saying goes, seeing is believing. They've seen, they believe. You haven't seen, you don't believe. I'll take the opinions of the enlightened over the unenlightened every day of the week, which is why I tend to side with those who have had experiences and not the dogmatic skeptics who arrogantly insist such experiences were delusions. I think you need to look up what constitutes empirical evidence, my friend. Generally the cycle of empirical research goes something like this: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Empirical_Cycle.svgAs I think you can deduce for yourself, your claim to proof consists entirely of "presumed" observation. People are entitled to believe whatever they want. But you can't come into a conversation, have zero evidence other than persona hear-say, and then claim people are "arrogant" when they refuse to accept such evidence. It's a basic logical fallacy: it is not up to the skeptic to debunk this. It is up to the believe to make the case for something. It's the fundamental behind both the pursuit of modern science and the modern legal system. Innocent until proven guilty. Not real until proven otherwise. Thus: ghosts are not real because no verifiable evidence, or anything even vaguely close to it, for their existence exists. Take it for what you will but my friend and I believe ghosts transcend from a paralell univerese and in their universe they are still alive. Somtimes universes collide thus causing the paranormal phenomenon. Do you believe in God? |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 29, 2010 2:07:46 GMT -5
Also, wasn't there a member here who once visited a haunted abandoned hospital and recorded voices of people whereas they swear no-one was around?
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Post by Kris Kobain on Apr 29, 2010 2:19:34 GMT -5
Also, wasn't there a member here who once visited a haunted abandoned hospital and recorded voices of people whereas they swear no-one was around? I wasn't me but I've done the recording thing before. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 29, 2010 2:22:16 GMT -5
I think you need to look up what constitutes empirical evidence, my friend. Generally the cycle of empirical research goes something like this: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Empirical_Cycle.svgAs I think you can deduce for yourself, your claim to proof consists entirely of "presumed" observation. People are entitled to believe whatever they want. But you can't come into a conversation, have zero evidence other than persona hear-say, and then claim people are "arrogant" when they refuse to accept such evidence. It's a basic logical fallacy: it is not up to the skeptic to debunk this. It is up to the believe to make the case for something. It's the fundamental behind both the pursuit of modern science and the modern legal system. Innocent until proven guilty. Not real until proven otherwise. Thus: ghosts are not real because no verifiable evidence, or anything even vaguely close to it, for their existence exists. Take it for what you will but my friend and I believe ghosts transcend from a paralell univerese and in their universe they are still alive. Somtimes universes collide thus causing the paranormal phenomenon. Do you believe in God? Do you believe in reading our board's rules? We're done here. It's turned into 75% sniping. |
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