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Post by Lick Ness Monster on May 1, 2010 14:14:50 GMT -5
A better director as well, IMO, Jacket. As this director fell back to rehashing the old ones or using quick, jittery cuts way to much. Very good point. It seems as if Mayer was too afraid to direct this reboot, as if he was forced to do so. I'll be the voice of dissent here and say that I can't think of anyone who could've done it better. They obviously weren't going to get a Scorsese-caliber director for this one, and personally I thought it relied WAY less on the Bay-style cuts than other PD horror films. Overall, I didn't think it was Bayer's fault that the flick turned out so blase. It was Wesley Strick's script and the mostly uninspired acting.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:14:51 GMT -5
I will say that one of the more positive outlooks is this... {Spoiler}The opening sequence was pretty damn cool in how they set it up. You thought they were going to go somewhere with it, but in this day and age...they backed off and went the safe route. Of course. Oh well...least Kellan Lutz got his throat cut. THAT will always be a positive in my book! And i'll also say that Bayer did a fine job for what was pretty much given to him. I know he's one of those "music video directors" but most of his videos are well-done. This is the guy that gave us Nirvana on MTV for crying out loud. Pretty much say the same for Haley. Did a great job, he was just overshadowed by what they gave him.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 1, 2010 14:19:53 GMT -5
Very good point. It seems as if Mayer was too afraid to direct this reboot, as if he was forced to do so. I'll be the voice of dissent here and say that I can't think of anyone who could've done it better. They obviously weren't going to get a Scorsese-caliber director for this one, and personally I thought it relied WAY less on the Bay-style cuts than other PD horror films. Overall, I didn't think it was Bayer's fault that the flick turned out so blase. It was Wesley Strick's script and the mostly uninspired acting. It may have relied on Bay-type-cuts less than every other PD movie, but that doesn't mean it didn't do it way to much for a Freddy movie. I mean one scene that comes to mind is when that person walks in a room and Freddy was at his desk. Instead of having him creepily turn around to the person they do the jittery-fast-cut of his head turning around. I was like 'That wasn't creepy at all, just looked silly."
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 1, 2010 14:21:59 GMT -5
I'll be the voice of dissent here and say that I can't think of anyone who could've done it better. They obviously weren't going to get a Scorsese-caliber director for this one, and personally I thought it relied WAY less on the Bay-style cuts than other PD horror films. Overall, I didn't think it was Bayer's fault that the flick turned out so blase. It was Wesley Strick's script and the mostly uninspired acting. It may have relied on Bay-type-cuts less than every other PD movie, but that doesn't mean it didn't do it way to much for a Freddy movie. I mean one scene that comes to mind is when that person walks in a room and Freddy was at his desk. Instead of having him creepily turn around to the person they do the jittery-fast-cut of his head turning around. I was like 'That wasn't creepy at all, just looked silly." Damn, I just got that stupid sequence out of my head! Thanks for putting it back in there, Pool!
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on May 1, 2010 14:23:18 GMT -5
It may have relied on Bay-type-cuts less than every other PD movie, but that doesn't mean it didn't do it way to much for a Freddy movie. I mean one scene that comes to mind is when that person walks in a room and Freddy was at his desk. Instead of having him creepily turn around to the person they do the jittery-fast-cut of his head turning around. I was like 'That wasn't creepy at all, just looked silly." Yeah, I see your point there. In addition to that, I was also put off by the cameo from Aaron Yoo (Chewie from the F13 reboot) as the guy posting the internet blog. {Spoiler}It would have been VERY creepy had they simply had his video fading to something akin to TV fuzz, leaving Nancy and Quentin to look at it and wonder just what the hell happened - but then they give us another SMASH CUT and jump scare.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 1, 2010 14:25:31 GMT -5
Yeah, see that's my problem TR. All cheap, jump scares and no psychological stuff or creepiness at all.
Also my friends and I went to IHOP afterwords where we talked to a couple of girls who just saw it too and they even mentioned that guys cameo and how he's in so many horror movies now.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 1, 2010 14:27:01 GMT -5
I felt the same way TR. If they would have just faded away, it would have been creepy as hell (especially given his final words).
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:27:08 GMT -5
Also... {Spoiler}Really PD? You HAD to bring back the "How's this for a wet dream?" line from I believe the 4th one? I double Picard facepalmed there!
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Post by Rorschach on May 1, 2010 14:28:20 GMT -5
Hey guys...remember way back in like, the first or second thread where I went on somewhat of an epic, rage-filled rant against Platinum Dunes, Rob Zombie, and the over-use of LOUD NOISES! in today's horror films, in lieu of actual, honest to God SCARES?
I do believe I made mention of how, if PD ever (God forbid, or I might actually have to be sedated for the safety of myself and others) remade JAWS, they would have the scene where the shark pops up and scares the crap out of Brody re-imagined to where right before the shark does pop out of the water, you get a goddamn CANNON of a sound stinger, and as the shark emerges, it is vomiting blood, bits of the Kintner boy, and for some reason, green foam, whilst the University of Michigan marching band slams away on the soundtrack, full bore.
AKA, your typical scene from any number of "JUMP, YOU SONS OF BITCHES!" 2000's era horror movies. It's like the writers, directors, and producers KNOW their movie is not going to scare ANYONE on it's own....so they rely on firing off 12 gauge shotguns in the audience's ears to get them to jump out of their seats, which they THEN turn around and use in commercials to show people just how "terrifying" their movie is.
Oddly, this makes me love the film THE STRANGERS more, and more and more with each passing year. Hell, a film which I detested, PARANORMAL ACTIVITY looks better all the time, just for NOT overkilling the film with sound stingers and false "CAAAAT!!!!" scares. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:36:32 GMT -5
If at least you're going to use the "CATTTTT!!!" scenes, make them worthy. Drag Me To Hell last year did it to a perfect T, because Sam Raimi knew how to do it right it seemed.
You can do it right. It's just rare. If you know what the hell is going to happen, then it's not as much scary as it is ANNOYING!
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 1, 2010 14:37:52 GMT -5
If at least you're going to use the "CATTTTT!!!" scenes, make them worthy. Drag Me To Hell last year did it to a perfect T, because Sam Raimi knew how to do it right it seemed. You can do it right. It's just rare. If you know what the hell is going to happen, then it's not as much scary as it is ANNOYING! The only thing I like about "CATTTTT!!!" scenes is that, almost every time I see them coming, and laugh when other people in the theater jump and shriek like crazy.
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Post by erisi236 on May 1, 2010 14:39:40 GMT -5
Horror film makers need to clue into the fact that unusual drawn out sounds are more creepy then sudden loud ones.
Two examples would be the very first Ju-On flick where we clearly hear Kayako fall out of the attic and slowly shuffle towards that stairs long before she pops her head out, creepy.
Or, in Event Horizon when we hear the kid dragging his fingers from under the tarp long before we see him, creepy.
That stuff is so much more memorable then nothing happening.... nothing happening...DUN! OMG Cat! That shit is so played out.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:41:21 GMT -5
If at least you're going to use the "CATTTTT!!!" scenes, make them worthy. Drag Me To Hell last year did it to a perfect T, because Sam Raimi knew how to do it right it seemed. You can do it right. It's just rare. If you know what the hell is going to happen, then it's not as much scary as it is ANNOYING! The only thing I like about "CATTTTT!!!" scenes is that, almost every time I see them coming, and laugh when other people in the theater jump and shriek like crazy. You bring up a good point. Think I saw one or two of them. Of course, I was the victim in that as well.
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 1, 2010 14:43:24 GMT -5
This movie was horrible. Easily one of the worst of the series IMO and they rely on quick edit cuts way to much and put no psychology behind the movie. Almost all the kills were what we've already seen in 1984, only toned down or more fake looking. That's right the kills were done better in 1984 and the effects looked more real then too! There was no tension at all and even things like the little girls singing and all had no creepiness to them. Oh don't get me started on how 90% of the "scares" were of the preditcable, cheap loud and noisey jumps. The positives are that Jackie Earl did a fine job though and they really did make Freddy a sick summabitch by the end of the movie. Also some of the scenery was great like the snow rooms and the boiler room. I got to hope that if they do a sequel they really go back to the drawing board with the makeup. I haven't seen the movie, but I've never been a fan of the new realistic freddy.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on May 1, 2010 14:45:13 GMT -5
Straying from the topic at hand, a teaser poster for a Craven original has surfaced online:
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Post by Rorschach on May 1, 2010 14:47:00 GMT -5
Horror film makers need to clue into the fact that unusual drawn out sounds are more creepy then sudden loud ones. Two examples would be the very first Ju-On flick where we clearly hear Kayako fall out of the attic and slowly shuffle towards that stairs long before she pops her head out, creepy. Or, in Event Horizon when we hear the kid dragging his fingers from under the tarp long before we see him, creepy. That stuff is so much more memorable then nothing happening.... nothing happening... DUN! OMG Cat! That s*** is so played out. But there's the problem, right there. They want the money shot INSTANTLY, without giving you that foreplay of creepiness that you're talking about. There's no build anymore....just BANG. Hitchcock would've strangled someone for suggesting that he use the "CAT!" scare so egregiously. If you want to scare someone, I mean, really make them piss their pants in terror....you build tension, and fear and suspense....you make them WAIT for the payoff almost until they cannot bear it anymore...then make them wait a BIT more...THEN you give it to them, release the tension....and if you're a sadistic f***, you hit them right away again with the terror button, after you've given them release. The JU ON series is a great example of this sort of thing...although to be fair, MOST Japanese films seem to kick the hell out of American films when it comes to actually being, you know, psychologically SCARY, instead of "LOUD NOISES!" scary.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:51:23 GMT -5
THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! This, is how to do the "jump scene" to perfection. Go to 2:10.
I still get chills down my spine at this.
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Post by erisi236 on May 1, 2010 14:54:23 GMT -5
You know, while not a very good movie as a whole, I remember watching Darkness Falls in the theater and being totally in mortal fear during the first 10 minutes, because they played it out with sounds and shadows. After that it was just jump scare usualness, but for 10 minutes there they had it.
They actually make fun of the cat scare in it too, which made me chuckle.
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Post by Rorschach on May 1, 2010 15:06:25 GMT -5
THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE! This, is how to do the "jump scene" to perfection. Go to 2:10. I still get chills down my spine at this. Exactly! I had that in mind when I was writing about "hitting the audience again, right after you've given them a release." It's a textbook way to REALLY scare an audience, and all without clapping cymbals in their ears, to boot!
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Post by erisi236 on May 1, 2010 15:13:16 GMT -5
Just because... Also thinking on it, Exorcist 3 may be the best "scare cord jump scene" ever, it's basically what one would consider "everything wrong" with today's horror, loud and sudden, but holy crap does it work well. I'm sure you all know the scene I'm talking about.
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