Boomaga
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Post by Boomaga on Mar 14, 2010 5:11:19 GMT -5
I'll completely agree with you on Orton and I have for years. I don't know why so many people are up on him, he was better in his early days and his matches and promos seem to slow the entire show to a crawl. I would be so much happier if Orton was off TV, he is the least interesting of all of WWE's current main event performers. The only difference is for some reason people cheer for him now, my only guess being some goodwill he gets from Cena haters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 5:43:22 GMT -5
Seriously people.............8 threads? I mean, is Drew McIntyre really that interesting? no, not really. isn't that the problem? Well you say that but he had 8 threads going at the one time, and hes taking up 10, maybe 15 mins a week usually? Must be something going on for this level of discussion on him I just don't see whats so different from him as compared ot other guys who have gotten pushes before And no-one say wrestling skills wise, that is a b******t non-reason since the WWE has most of the roster midcard down following the same moveset it seems like
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Post by Greer on Mar 14, 2010 5:51:10 GMT -5
no, not really. isn't that the problem? Well you say that but he had 8 threads going at the one time, and hes taking up 10, maybe 15 mins a week usually? Must be something going on for this level of discussion on him I just don't see whats so different from him as compared ot other guys who have gotten pushes before And no-one say wrestling skills wise, that is a b******t non-reason since the WWE has most of the roster midcard down following the same moveset it seems like I think it's just that it was so fast, as compared to guys who have been on the roster for years without that type of push. If he had been with the WWE for a couple of years perhaps and got this push, I doubt the uproar would be THIS huge.
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Reg the Veg
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Post by Reg the Veg on Mar 14, 2010 6:20:59 GMT -5
he has the face of a pigeon. that is all i wish to add.
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Post by The Freakin' Deacon on Mar 14, 2010 8:07:25 GMT -5
I really like Drew McIntyre, I can't quite figure out what it is though. I wish they would take the whole "Vince's Chosen One" a step further. I guess they are, what with erasing his losses from history and "giving" him a spot in MitB.
However, I really wish he wouldn't wear those style of trunks. His body is very awkward in my opinion, the short tights he had in 2007 seemed perfect for his body type.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 14, 2010 8:34:01 GMT -5
I'm always reminded of the level select guy from UN Squadron when I see McIntyre.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 14, 2010 10:57:35 GMT -5
You are about to get hit by a bus, which would happen more slowly?
McIntyre telling you to get out of the way, or Orton walking running to push you out of the way?
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Mar 14, 2010 12:38:50 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre...Is a really nice guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 14:58:54 GMT -5
You are about to get hit by a bus, which would happen more slowly? McIntyre telling you to get out of the way, or Orton walking running to push you out of the way? Depends, are you on your way to a par-tea? Cause if you are, Drew sure aint saying s*** to help you On a side note, I'd have loved that to be his gimmick, party smasher
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Post by Parrish on Mar 14, 2010 15:02:53 GMT -5
he's winning Money in The Bank so go ahead and get ready
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Post by Legion on Mar 14, 2010 15:08:28 GMT -5
he's winning Money in The Bank so go ahead and get ready I suggested this in one of the locked threads: I'd love for Christian to get the case, and then Drew knock him off the ladder and grab it, and show it to a downed ref. This would allow them to fued over both the case and the IC title. Would give Drew a heelish moment and a decent fued, and give Christian a re. introduction to the main WWE programming.
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Post by toonami4life on Mar 14, 2010 15:55:23 GMT -5
he's winning Money in The Bank so go ahead and get ready I suggested this in one of the locked threads: I'd love for Christian to get the case, and then Drew knock him off the ladder and grab it, and show it to a downed ref. This would allow them to fued over both the case and the IC title. Would give Drew a heelish moment and a decent fued, and give Christian a re. introduction to the main WWE programming. They got more than one ref out there so is the one downed guy really going to believe him? Besides wouldn't they see it on the replay what REALLY happened? It's like when Daniels won The X Division title for the first time when Styles removed the belt off of Ultimate X and he then attacked him when he got down and showed it to the down ref. In a arena filled with thousands of people watching and replay videos being shown should the ref really believe the one guy? But then again refs are people who would not notice a building exploding even if it was right beside them and debris falling down on them.
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Legion
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Post by Legion on Mar 14, 2010 16:02:33 GMT -5
Exactly. It's a ref. They manage to miss things in tag matches every week. Just make sure they only have the one out there for this match, the commentators can even mention it's because with so many people are actually in the match they didnt want to clutter ringside or something.
Anyway, the replays and such will be what the fued is then based on. If they really wanted to, they could even have Drew make a fake version that shows him winning. Just really amp up the heelish nature so that crowd start reacting to him, while Christian equally gets a nice upper midcard fued because in WWE, that is likely all he can hope for......
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Post by W?Y on Mar 14, 2010 16:43:30 GMT -5
I, too, really like Drew but am not sure why. I think I can just see something in the way he carries himself and his expressions that lends itself to a star in the making. I hope he gets more opportunity to show charisma and personality. I'm behind him, wholeheartedly.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 14, 2010 18:06:22 GMT -5
What does annoy me is how his brawling style doesn't seem to suit him.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 14, 2010 20:37:13 GMT -5
I really like Drew McIntyre, I can't quite figure out what it is though. I wish they would take the whole "Vince's Chosen One" a step further. I guess they are, what with erasing his losses from history and "giving" him a spot in MitB. However, I really wish he wouldn't wear those style of trunks. His body is very awkward in my opinion, the short tights he had in 2007 seemed perfect for his body type. I just want to mention here that my parents have two swords similar to the one Drew McIntyre is holding in your sig. Anyway, I've been a fan of Drew for a very long time. He's extremely talented, and he comes off as someone Vince seems to work with. He's similar to Orton in that, he's a very methodical heel. Scott Hall talked about how one time at a house show, he wanted Scott to wait, and let the people wait awhile to finally see him, instead of just coming out when the music started. His music shows that as well, with his methodical and arrogant walk to the ring. If you keep moving and moving, people never get the chance to get a glimpse of just you. But, Drew stands there in front of the whole world, and looks down at everyone in disgust. The best and most charismatic people are those who can just stand there, and draw people's attention, as they have the confidence to do so. One critique I've read is he lacks a moveset, as if that's supposed to matter. Drew isn't going out there to do moves. He's going out there to win, the moves just help achieve that goal. I never understand how one could dislike someone for their moveset, unless they are criticized as being lazy. But Drew certainly doesn't seem like the type of guy who is out of shape, and needs to rely on doing very little. Besides, the best workers in wrestling are the ones who get the most out of doing the least. Take Daniel Bryan, who people put over a lot, as do I. In ROH in some of his matches, for the first 10 or so minutes, it would be Bryan slowly doing moves to his opponent, but always involving the crowd. He didn't do, in reality, all that much. He just did things in an attempt to win, and went further then that in harder matches. Anyway, I'm not sure how to end this post. But, Drew McIntyre is great.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Mar 14, 2010 21:14:24 GMT -5
You are about to get hit by a bus, which would happen more slowly? McIntyre telling you to get out of the way, or Orton walking running to push you out of the way? Depends, are you on your way to a par-tea? Cause if you are, Drew sure aint saying s*** to help you On a side note, I'd have loved that to be his gimmick, party smasher That's kind of what it was when they reintroduced him. He kept attacking R-Truth for no adequately explored reason, and Truth was only looking to have a good time! Drew McIntyre: Scottish Party-Pooper
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Post by Haulk on Mar 14, 2010 22:01:39 GMT -5
Drew's new Tron and theme is killing his chances. Discuss.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 14, 2010 22:05:26 GMT -5
I really like Drew McIntyre, I can't quite figure out what it is though. I wish they would take the whole "Vince's Chosen One" a step further. I guess they are, what with erasing his losses from history and "giving" him a spot in MitB. However, I really wish he wouldn't wear those style of trunks. His body is very awkward in my opinion, the short tights he had in 2007 seemed perfect for his body type. I just want to mention here that my parents have two swords similar to the one Drew McIntyre is holding in your sig. Anyway, I've been a fan of Drew for a very long time. He's extremely talented, and he comes off as someone Vince seems to work with. He's similar to Orton in that, he's a very methodical heel. Scott Hall talked about how one time at a house show, he wanted Scott to wait, and let the people wait awhile to finally see him, instead of just coming out when the music started. His music shows that as well, with his methodical and arrogant walk to the ring. If you keep moving and moving, people never get the chance to get a glimpse of just you. But, Drew stands there in front of the whole world, and looks down at everyone in disgust. The best and most charismatic people are those who can just stand there, and draw people's attention, as they have the confidence to do so. One critique I've read is he lacks a moveset, as if that's supposed to matter. Drew isn't going out there to do moves. He's going out there to win, the moves just help achieve that goal. I never understand how one could dislike someone for their moveset, unless they are criticized as being lazy. But Drew certainly doesn't seem like the type of guy who is out of shape, and needs to rely on doing very little. Besides, the best workers in wrestling are the ones who get the most out of doing the least. Take Daniel Bryan, who people put over a lot, as do I. In ROH in some of his matches, for the first 10 or so minutes, it would be Bryan slowly doing moves to his opponent, but always involving the crowd. He didn't do, in reality, all that much. He just did things in an attempt to win, and went further then that in harder matches. Anyway, I'm not sure how to end this post. But, Drew McIntyre is great. McIntyre spends far to little time actually attacking his opponent, whether through blows or wear down holds and few of his moves look like they're all that impactful. He ends up spending a lot of time staring at a guy who's down on the mat for no good reason.
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Post by H-Fist on Mar 14, 2010 22:15:10 GMT -5
Shortly before the Blandy thread was locked, I clicked reply to post a thought and ended up with a 750-word essay on what I feel about Drew. Over the past few days, it seems like more of his supporters are coming out of the woodwork. I've also noticed (perhaps erroneously) that a disproportionate number seem to be from the UK. Also, a handful from Canada. Anyhow, this is just my full line of thinking:
If you simply want a heel to make the face look exciting and talented, then use a jobber who can work and/or sell like all get-out to get the moves over. If you want the crowd to see the face as sympathetic, then match him against a heel the crowd views as intimidating or dangerous in some way (a big monster; an exacting technician; a methodical brute).
Look. The problem, as I see it, with Drew McIntyre is simple. His space on the roster could easily belong to Wade Barrett. Keep the same essential bullying and brawling character traits. Keep the handsome, well-built look and appearance. Keep the UK origin, even. From three weeks of NXT, I see Wade Barrett as a more convincing and compelling brawler from the United Kingdom than Drew McIntyre, who has had what - six months? - to get over.
They could substitute Barrett for McIntyre tomorrow, and by WrestleMania Wade Barrett would probably be significantly more over than McIntyre will be. And this would be without Jericho as Barrett's "mentor," mind you.
So no, the people here who want to see new talent don't just want to see former ROH guys in WWE. We want to see the CM Punks and Daniel Bryans and Kavals because they are world-class talents. But the NXT guys are all interesting - as interesting if not more interesting than Drew - and only one of them is an ROH alumnus.
The problem arises when the company forgets the difference between writing a story and writing a play. Shakespeare knew the people wanted some comic relief to break up the tragedies, so insert the clowns (Hornswaggle, Santino). The Greek tragedians like Sophocles knew that the complexity of tragedy requires a backdrop of guided emotion provided through the Chorus (insert play-by-play, raise the house lights, mic up the crowd). The Roman Plautus largely established in the Western tradition the concept of stock characters (WWE provides an evil foreigner; clever underdog; imposing monster; indomitable hero).
But most important is the idea that the audience, not the playwright, is in control. The playwright can write whatever play he wants. The director can stage it however he wants (in antiquity, the playwright was the director and stage manager and...everything else). But if it's poorly written or cast or staged, it's a flop. The WWE Creative team isn't aware enough of the difference between "writing a story" and "storytelling." Thus, they continue using the same poorly cast character in the same poorly written role. They believe that, with time, the audience will see the error of their ways. How much of Kerouac's canon wasn't widely published until after On the Road and even his death? But this is performance, not fiction.
Also, first impressions matter a lot more than minor tweaks. We've seen heel turns fail because of poor momentary execution, no matter how well the writing and performance subsequently is. We've seen wrestlers come and go who, despite their talent, made a poor first impression (or no lasting impression as their first impression). McIntyre's first impression largely left the fanbase with a "What? Is that it?" lack-of-taste in their mouth. McIntyre doesn't need to "entertain" the audience. He just needs to make an impression on them. And he has consistently failed to do that. "Oh, it's that guy who ruined the cake, again."
And heels aren't supposed to be boring. They are supposed to be heels. They can get heat through their pacing; what moves they do or don't do; how they work their moves; how they talk; if they cheat, and when; and myriad other factors. Generating abject apathy in 12,000 people is not being a heel. An apathetic customer is a customer that is harder to retain. And spending extra money on marketing to retain your apathetic base is money you don't have available to spend on marketing to potential new consumers.
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