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Post by neal on Mar 14, 2010 17:14:59 GMT -5
Good grief, the belt Steamboat is holdinbg is the same one Steiner held. The "Ric Flair" name plate WAS a seperate piece, it was bolted through the back. When it was removed, they made all the new name plates to be fasted through the front of the belt. I got that directly from the folks that made the dang thing. Steiner has the belt. Case closed! So, what you're saying is there was one continuous belt used from Flair in '88 to Steiner's condo today? No, there were other belts used. In 1998 Dallas Page has some cast copies made from the original and they used some of those for awhile, but the copy Steiner has is, by all credible accounts, the same physical belt that Ric Flair first wore in 1986. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but I do happen to work in the beltmaking business. This is the kind of stuff I need to know. The research has been done. Steiner has the belt. The one Flair gave to HHH was one of the copies. I'm saying nothing more on this thread because I know someone will put their own personal guess over the facts and there isn't anything I can do about that.
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Post by kropotkin on Mar 14, 2010 17:30:39 GMT -5
We all know where the belt really is folks...
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 14, 2010 18:15:44 GMT -5
Get bent out of shape about it, whydon'tcha? Sheesh.
Anyhow, Hulk Hogan DOES still have the same belt he walked out of Bash at the Beach 2000 with. In the "Hulkamania" magazine WWE released in 2002, there is a picture of him at home with his belt collection. Right there in his hand, lo and behold, is the big gold belt with the bent top... and Jeff Jarrett's name still on the plate. I found my copy of the magazine and checked to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass.
Furthermore, how Scott Steiner could have possibly "stolen" his WCW Championship before Hulk Hogan did is beyond me. Especially considering Steiner never won his first world title until several months after Hogan struck out the door with his. Look it up.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Mar 14, 2010 20:59:51 GMT -5
I assume it somehow ended up in the collection of Grand Admiral Thawn.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 14, 2010 21:31:27 GMT -5
Because Hogan could just stolen the belt DDP had casted. The belt Booker T won could been the orginal.
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Post by jobsquad on Mar 15, 2010 1:56:26 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is there was one continuous belt used from Flair in '88 to Steiner's condo today? No, there were other belts used. In 1998 Dallas Page has some cast copies made from the original and they used some of those for awhile, but the copy Steiner has is, by all credible accounts, the same physical belt that Ric Flair first wore in 1986. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but I do happen to work in the beltmaking business. This is the kind of stuff I need to know. The research has been done. Steiner has the belt. The one Flair gave to HHH was one of the copies. I'm saying nothing more on this thread because I know someone will put their own personal guess over the facts and there isn't anything I can do about that. Just a few more questions if you find the time or desire to answer them: You say the Big Gold 86' bolted the plate on through the back, and the newer version bolts the plate on from the front, right? Are those two separate belts? Because from what I can see, Masahiro Chono's 1992 'International' title looked slightly different from Flair's original. Maybe I am just seeing things. The 'Hogan Memorial' Belt was a copy, right? Or at least a copy of the International title, right? The new one that Russo gave Booker T. looks smaller and more gold compared to the bigger one. Is that the 86' belt we are talking about, or a replica? This is more of a general looks question, because it always looked slightly different to me. Finally, do you know the whereabouts of the original WCW title? I guess Flair would have it or it would be in storage somewhere in McMahon land, but what have you heard if anything? I could see Steiner acquiring the belt somehow before his title run. Like I said before, the belt ends up just laying there until you need it for show, so I could see him ribbing someone and taking it. Or, it was the belt he 'won' and got that copy. It isn't that unfeasible to think that he would wind up with it somehow. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 2:00:24 GMT -5
We all know where the belt really is folks... Thank you, I was so going to post that.
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Post by neal on Mar 15, 2010 2:03:30 GMT -5
No, there were other belts used. In 1998 Dallas Page has some cast copies made from the original and they used some of those for awhile, but the copy Steiner has is, by all credible accounts, the same physical belt that Ric Flair first wore in 1986. Not to sound like a know-it-all, but I do happen to work in the beltmaking business. This is the kind of stuff I need to know. The research has been done. Steiner has the belt. The one Flair gave to HHH was one of the copies. I'm saying nothing more on this thread because I know someone will put their own personal guess over the facts and there isn't anything I can do about that. Just a few more questions if you find the time or desire to answer them: You say the Big Gold 86' bolted the plate on through the back, and the newer version bolts the plate on from the front, right? Are those two separate belts? Because from what I can see, Masahiro Chono's 1992 'International' title looked slightly different from Flair's original. Maybe I am just seeing things. The 'Hogan Memorial' Belt was a copy, right? Or at least a copy of the International title, right? The new one that Russo gave Booker T. looks smaller and more gold compared to the bigger one. Is that the 86' belt we are talking about, or a replica? This is more of a general looks question, because it always looked slightly different to me. Finally, do you know the whereabouts of the original WCW title? I guess Flair would have it or it would be in storage somewhere in McMahon land, but what have you heard if anything? I could see Steiner acquiring the belt somehow before his title run. Like I said before, the belt ends up just laying there until you need it for show, so I could see him ribbing someone and taking it. Or, it was the belt he 'won' and got that copy. It isn't that unfeasible to think that he would wind up with it somehow. Thanks. I'm the wrong one to ask. Ask Asics Johnson, he's knows all, see's all.
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Post by jobsquad on Mar 15, 2010 2:49:25 GMT -5
Just a few more questions if you find the time or desire to answer them: You say the Big Gold 86' bolted the plate on through the back, and the newer version bolts the plate on from the front, right? Are those two separate belts? Because from what I can see, Masahiro Chono's 1992 'International' title looked slightly different from Flair's original. Maybe I am just seeing things. The 'Hogan Memorial' Belt was a copy, right? Or at least a copy of the International title, right? The new one that Russo gave Booker T. looks smaller and more gold compared to the bigger one. Is that the 86' belt we are talking about, or a replica? This is more of a general looks question, because it always looked slightly different to me. Finally, do you know the whereabouts of the original WCW title? I guess Flair would have it or it would be in storage somewhere in McMahon land, but what have you heard if anything? I could see Steiner acquiring the belt somehow before his title run. Like I said before, the belt ends up just laying there until you need it for show, so I could see him ribbing someone and taking it. Or, it was the belt he 'won' and got that copy. It isn't that unfeasible to think that he would wind up with it somehow. Thanks. I'm the wrong one to ask. Ask Asics Johnson, he's knows all, see's all. LOL, I feel your your pain man. Years ago, when I first attempted to talk on a message board, I was signed up to one that was primarily about weight lifting and fitness. Anyway, it had it's own wrestling subsection. There was this thread that was basically in existence to jerk RVD off, and all of these 'smarks' were talking about how great he was, why he wasn't getting a push, etc. I had some insight, since the person training me for wrestling at the time would use undoubtedly answer the question everytime someone new came in. He would use video of his matches to show the new guys exactly why the WWE wasn't pushing him. So, I politely explained why he wasn't the top guy in the company from WWE's perspective, and I got cussed out, lol. I just walked away. Turns out I was just killing time before our show that night, and resident know-it-all mark probably went to his VHS collection of RVD's matches, which were not surprisingly sticky, lol. Anyway, I know how it feels. In your case, you actually have a banner of your work on your posts, so not respecting your information is a double wtf. Workers can not really go out there and advertise who we are if we are gonna post real inside stuff. EDIT: I found this link, which has a representation of virtually everything in question: prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/WCW_World_Heavyweight_Championship/Champion_galleryWe can see, visually, that the belt did change at least once, or that there were a few different ones in use. You see the belt in question with Flair in the first picture. Then you notice the different big gold, with the red ruby dots all around the edges, where it is seemingly different. The belt Jarrett is holding in his 44th champion picture is clearly different, it is even shaped slightly different in my view at the bottom. Other than that, everything looks the same really. EDIT 2 What is the story with this version, with the different colored strap? bleacherreport.com/articles/240726-the-top-ten-most-prestigious-world-titles-in-professional-wrestling#page/10
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Mar 15, 2010 19:13:30 GMT -5
If Steiner does own the original belt, then I guess that means he also owns a piece of Flair, given that Steiner hates him IRL.
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Post by DavidArquette on Mar 15, 2010 20:00:49 GMT -5
The belt must have changed a bunch of times in '97 and '98 because of the spray painted nWo logos. Looking at some pictures, the BGB from 95 onwards looks cheap compared to pictures of the original. If I remember correctly at BATB, during the Jarrett/Booker match, Schiavone is looking at the belt saying it's the original, it has a big dent in the top and that he hasn't seen it used in years.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Mar 16, 2010 0:38:34 GMT -5
Awwwww... there went my awesome mental imagage of Steiner buying it offf e-bay from Hacksaw.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Mar 16, 2010 13:40:36 GMT -5
We all know where the belt really is folks... It's with The 9/11 relief funds? 1992 on looks different than 1986.
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Post by MysteryStingerfanTheater3000 on Mar 16, 2010 15:17:48 GMT -5
From the looks of it the BGB used form 1986-2000 is the same belt(accounting for strap changes, dents, scuffs, and the front plate looking a bit flatter from 1995 on) the belt used from 2000-2001(plus the WCW/World Title in the WWF as well as the original WWE World Heavyweight Title) is smaller and cast by(I believe J-Mar) and was the belt that Hogan left with at BATB as the older version(now with the top of the main plate bent inward, and the side plates beginning to fall off) was used during the Booker T/Jarrett match, and through out Booker's 1st reign, when he lost it to Steiner at Mayhem, Steiner started using another of the J-Mar casted(and smaller) copies all the way until he lost it to Booker on the final Nitro, which was taken to the WWF, plus as an added factoid, during David Arquette's WCW Title reign he used "The Big Silver" a silver and gold dual plated version of the Big Gold made by J-Mar for use in the Ready to Rumble movie, and 1 more factoid, during Hulk Hogan's 1st reign as Champion, when he was feuding with Flair, Flair had his own special Big Gold made by Reggie Parks.
Which would mean, Scotty's got the OG BG
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Post by SAJ Forth on Mar 16, 2010 15:57:42 GMT -5
From the looks of it the BGB used form 1986-2000 is the same belt(accounting for strap changes, dents, scuffs, and the front plate looking a bit flatter from 1995 on) the belt used from 2000-2001(plus the WCW/World Title in the WWF as well as the original WWE World Heavyweight Title) is smaller and cast by(I believe J-Mar) and was the belt that Hogan left with at BATB as the older version(now with the top of the main plate bent inward, and the side plates beginning to fall off) was used during the Booker T/Jarrett match, and through out Booker's 1st reign, when he lost it to Steiner at Mayhem, Steiner started using another of the J-Mar casted(and smaller) conpies all the way until he lost it to Booker on the final Nitro, which was taken to the WWF, plus as an added factoid, during David Arquette's WCW Title reign he used "The Big Silver" a silver and gold dual plated version of the Big Gold made by J-Mar for use in the Ready to Rumble movie, and 1 more factoid, during Hulk Hogan's 1st reign as Champion, when he was feuding with Flair, Flair had his own special Big Gold made by Reggie Parks. Which would mean, Scotty's got the OG BG I hope we have a lid o it for now.
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