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Post by erisi236 on Aug 6, 2010 11:22:38 GMT -5
That is to say, when anyone sits down to watch either Generations, First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis do they say "wow that was great"?
Cause watching them, they all come off as just terrible to me. Totally illogical plots and situations, characters behaving totally unlike their TV counterparts, TV scripts for movie audiences, just all around not very good.
I really love the show Next Generation (other then maybe that rough 1st season) and I was always just really disappointed in the films, they never were able to bridge that gap between TV and Film and just seemed to be such middling efforts.
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Post by Matt Dunn on Aug 6, 2010 11:25:47 GMT -5
I enjoyed the ones I saw.
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Post by Free Hat on Aug 6, 2010 11:28:21 GMT -5
No, I tend to agree with RLM that they all suck. I mean, First Contact kinda works as an action movie, but the writing is still terrible.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 6, 2010 11:28:56 GMT -5
I know First Contact was nothing like the show. Picard was pretty much Bizarro Picard. I still love it though. Too be honest I also mostly enjoyed Nemesis. I'd never argue that either lives up the the awesomeness of the TV show though. Generations and Insurrection were among the weakest Star Trek movies.
If you haven't seen them, shoot over to Red Letter Media's website or youtube page and check out his reviews of the movies you just listed (followed by his Star Wars Phantom Menace and CLone Wars reviews). He does an over the top character while reviewing them, but underneath the psychotic old man rapist is a really great breakdown of why these movies fail.
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Post by darthalexander on Aug 6, 2010 11:34:11 GMT -5
I liked First Contact and Nemesis weren't bad, but overall all the TNG films were terrible.
The show itself had episodes that completely blew away the movies. The finale, "All Good Things", was ten times better than all their films combined. Too bad because I really liked the TNG.
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Aug 6, 2010 11:40:05 GMT -5
I'm like Yak Man. I liked First Contact, even as totally an abberation on the Next Gen franchise as it was it was still one of those movies you could sit and revel in the silyness of it all.
As for the others. Generations pissed me off long before Kirk bit it, Insurection was pseudo political bullshit and Nemesis was just plain stupid. But then I never really thought anyone captured Star Trek on film bar Nick Meyer (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and VI: The Undiscovered Country) and Leonard Nimoy (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and IV: The Voyage Home)
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Post by Grendel on Aug 6, 2010 11:44:58 GMT -5
I like them okay, but really most of the Star Trek movies weren't that good. Sure, The Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock were pretty good, but the others just seemed to set the bar too low in my opinion. But I do enjoy them as good mindless fun.
I really liked the retconned movie that came out last year. That was good stuff.
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Post by The OP on Aug 6, 2010 11:50:02 GMT -5
Not really. I don't think so anyway. I actually thought First Contact was possibly the worst, at least as far as the script is concerned. "Wait, so you're all astronauts...on some kind of star trek?"
The worst thing was that like five seconds into the movie with no background explanation for anyone who hasn't seen the other movies Data says "Sir...to hell with our orders!" And then the camera pans around to all the other main characters cracking smiles. It's like...hey dumbass director, you might wanna provide some context for that so this film could actually work as a standalone movie for someone who's just getting into this. There were just so many stupid little things like that, and the writing on the TV series was very smart. The films were a huge disappointment as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Aug 6, 2010 12:00:30 GMT -5
I liked First Contact. The others are passable, but nothing to write home about
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 6, 2010 12:00:34 GMT -5
On the other hand, James Cromwell was hilarious as Zefram Cochrane and the action was pretty good.
Of course that right there is one major issue - a TNG film shouldn't be an action movie.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Aug 6, 2010 12:31:54 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts in a nutshell about each film:
- Generations - would have made an OK episode of TNG, but as a film, it was lacking. Kirk's death scene was weak, the "Data discovers humor" scenes were so painful to watch, and the Enterprise getting taken down by a small-ass Klingon BoP was ridiculous.
Saving graces - Malcolm McDowell as Soren was a good choice. The VFX were greatly improved for the film. Seeing the Enterprise-B in the past scene was also nice.
- First Contact - my favorite of the bunch, and a pretty good action flick, as well. The Enterprise-E is kickass, the Borg look legitimately scary, Alice Krige as the Borg Queen was a great addition, and James Cromwell's Cochrane is very humorous and shows a lot of character and heart. Yes, we do get a bit of Bizarro Picard, but to be honest, I'm surprised he didn't go psycho beforehand due to his assimilation by the Bord.
- Insurrection - a decent film. Matches the light-hearted nature of TNG (before the whole DS9/Dominion War/darker grittier Star Trek came about). Decent effects here, but some inconsistencies (thought that Data's emotion chip was fused inside him, how the hell did Worf just randomly show up?) are here, and Commander Riker losing the beard was weird. Liked this one better than Generations.
- Nemesis - could have been sooooo much better. Some of the best space battle VFX in cinema. Loved seeing the Enterprise get beaten and blasted and had hull breaches and stuff. Shinzon the character was somewhat stale, but Tom Hardy's performance was superb. Data's death was so obvious when the crew found B-4. All in all, it fell very flat, and when the cast even says the movie sucked (like Levar Burton and Michael Dorn did in interviews), you know something's wrong.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Aug 6, 2010 12:48:55 GMT -5
First Contact is the only entertaining one to me and it's still not very good. Redlettermedia's review highlight of the room with no purpose on the Enterprise. I also didn't care about the time travel and James Cromwell.
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Post by Free Hat on Aug 6, 2010 12:54:14 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts in a nutshell about each film: - Generations - would have made an OK episode of TNG, but as a film, it was lacking. Kirk's death scene was weak, the "Data discovers humor" scenes were so painful to watch, and the Enterprise getting taken down by a small-ass Klingon BoP was ridiculous. Saving graces - Malcolm McDowell as Soren was a good choice. The VFX were greatly improved for the film. Seeing the Enterprise-B in the past scene was also nice. - First Contact - my favorite of the bunch, and a pretty good action flick, as well. The Enterprise-E is kickass, the Borg look legitimately scary, Alice Krige as the Borg Queen was a great addition, and James Cromwell's Cochrane is very humorous and shows a lot of character and heart. Yes, we do get a bit of Bizarro Picard, but to be honest, I'm surprised he didn't go psycho beforehand due to his assimilation by the Bord. - Insurrection - a decent film. Matches the light-hearted nature of TNG (before the whole DS9/Dominion War/darker grittier Star Trek came about). Decent effects here, but some inconsistencies (thought that Data's emotion chip was fused inside him, how the hell did Worf just randomly show up?) are here, and Commander Riker losing the beard was weird. Liked this one better than Generations. - Nemesis - could have been sooooo much better. Some of the best space battle VFX in cinema. Loved seeing the Enterprise get beaten and blasted and had hull breaches and stuff. Shinzon the character was somewhat stale, but Tom Hardy's performance was superb. Data's death was so obvious when the crew found B-4. All in all, it fell very flat, and when the cast even says the movie sucked (like Levar Burton and Michael Dorn did in interviews), you know something's wrong. Yeah, I think I've heard their criticisms of Nemesis. Didn't Burton also say that the director kept calling him "Laverne" for the first few weeks of production?
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Aug 6, 2010 12:57:01 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts in a nutshell about each film: - Generations - would have made an OK episode of TNG, but as a film, it was lacking. Kirk's death scene was weak, the "Data discovers humor" scenes were so painful to watch, and the Enterprise getting taken down by a small-ass Klingon BoP was ridiculous. Saving graces - Malcolm McDowell as Soren was a good choice. The VFX were greatly improved for the film. Seeing the Enterprise-B in the past scene was also nice. - First Contact - my favorite of the bunch, and a pretty good action flick, as well. The Enterprise-E is kickass, the Borg look legitimately scary, Alice Krige as the Borg Queen was a great addition, and James Cromwell's Cochrane is very humorous and shows a lot of character and heart. Yes, we do get a bit of Bizarro Picard, but to be honest, I'm surprised he didn't go psycho beforehand due to his assimilation by the Bord. - Insurrection - a decent film. Matches the light-hearted nature of TNG (before the whole DS9/Dominion War/darker grittier Star Trek came about). Decent effects here, but some inconsistencies (thought that Data's emotion chip was fused inside him, how the hell did Worf just randomly show up?) are here, and Commander Riker losing the beard was weird. Liked this one better than Generations. - Nemesis - could have been sooooo much better. Some of the best space battle VFX in cinema. Loved seeing the Enterprise get beaten and blasted and had hull breaches and stuff. Shinzon the character was somewhat stale, but Tom Hardy's performance was superb. Data's death was so obvious when the crew found B-4. All in all, it fell very flat, and when the cast even says the movie sucked (like Levar Burton and Michael Dorn did in interviews), you know something's wrong. Yeah, I think I've heard their criticisms of Nemesis. Didn't Burton also say that the director kept calling him "Laverne" for the first few weeks of production? That, and the director also kept insisting that Geordi was an alien, and Burton took offense to that, since it was painfully obvious that Stuart Baird knew nothing of Star trek.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 6, 2010 13:30:58 GMT -5
I liked First Contact, if they'd never used the Borg again, I'd have been happier. Not just because of the Borg Queen, but because of the suits.
As a one off they were fine, but I actually preferred the TNG Tv Borg where they'd look really inhuman, not just in a suit with an eyepiece, you's have guys with random bits stuck on them, like I remember one with both eyes and his mouth covered. There was no standard 'this is a Borg' costume.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 6, 2010 13:33:18 GMT -5
First Contact was fun, but since it was an action film and the Defiant WAS there at Earth and the crew was brought on board for the trip to the past, they should have had several more DS9 characters in it. THAT was the action series in Star Trek.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 6, 2010 13:57:21 GMT -5
First Contact was fun, but since it was an action film and the Defiant WAS there at Earth and the crew was brought on board for the trip to the past, they should have had several more DS9 characters in it. THAT was the action series in Star Trek. Having the tough guy cast of DS9 bumping heads with the thinking mans cast of Next Gen on how to go about defeating the Borg would have made for a much more interesting film.
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Post by Larryhausen on Aug 6, 2010 14:28:54 GMT -5
First Contact was fun, but since it was an action film and the Defiant WAS there at Earth and the crew was brought on board for the trip to the past, they should have had several more DS9 characters in it. THAT was the action series in Star Trek. Having the tough guy cast of DS9 bumping heads with the thinking mans cast of Next Gen on how to go about defeating the Borg would have made for a much more interesting film. Sisko and Picard in the "Ahab" scene would have been ten times better, especially with Avery Brooks Loudly Over Enunciating all over the place.
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Post by Free Hat on Aug 6, 2010 14:53:19 GMT -5
Having the tough guy cast of DS9 bumping heads with the thinking mans cast of Next Gen on how to go about defeating the Borg would have made for a much more interesting film. Sisko and Picard in the "Ahab" scene would have been ten times better, especially with Avery Brooks Loudly Over Enunciating all over the place. That would have been interesting to say the least. Would have changed the entire dynamic of the scene too, given Sisko's own history with the Borg (and Picard himself). Of course, the problem with getting the DS9 cast involved is that you'd have way too many characters, and frankly they seemed to struggle with just finding something for most of the TNG crew to do half the time.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 6, 2010 15:13:41 GMT -5
Well, you could leave the uneccesary characters behind, like Bashr, on the station. Or keep them split, Worf/Dax/Kira/Odo doing the fighting, O'Brien and Geordi comparing notes fixing Cochrane's ship. Bashir hitting on Troi.
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