HRH The KING
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 17, 2006 0:19:47 GMT -5
Great interview so far. I'll be very interested to hear the part relating to WCW and how and why his time at that company turned out to consist of so much crap.
One thing I thought was funny was when he mentioned that Vince didn't know anything about "The Blair Witch Project".
I remember reading a "Vic Venom" article he wrote in RAW Magazine where he said that even though Vince was a 53 year old man at the time, he was "with it" and was up to date with pop culture, specifically mentioning that Vince could tell ya' what Marilyn Manson was wearing at a recent music awards show or what Rage Against The Machine's latest album was called.
I guess that was "venomous" sarcasm. ;D
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Post by devilfish on Feb 17, 2006 2:58:37 GMT -5
Hey RD, two questions actually. 1 - You say the second hour got "heated", does that mean Vince cussed you out and will never speak to you again. And 2 - Did you go away thinking Vince was actually a decent guy, or do you think it was just an act.
Thanks
brian~
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Post by stevolution on Feb 17, 2006 3:25:06 GMT -5
Just finished listening and that was exellent. I can't wait until next week for the conclusion and an explanation as why David Arquette got a title run amoungst other things. I'd also be interested to hear about that whole Tank Abbot deal too.
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Post by wweneedsbibleman on Feb 17, 2006 5:18:08 GMT -5
It was even better than I expected.
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Kris
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Post by Kris on Feb 17, 2006 13:08:42 GMT -5
Just listened, and my opinion has totally changed. At first I thoguht he was an arrogant jerk, now after listening to that...well I can't fully judge until next week!
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Post by Hypnotix on Feb 17, 2006 13:56:51 GMT -5
Oh man, I'm chomping at the bit for next week's radio session. I may even give his book a read-thru now.
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CaptainRon
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Post by CaptainRon on Feb 17, 2006 14:01:14 GMT -5
I will say one thing about Vince Russo: he did something that nobody was doing at that point and gave every single wrestler a character or a storyline. Good, bad or ugly, everybody had something to do on the show. That's a lesson the current WWE createive should learn.
By the way, I heard that Dennis Stamp was invited to come on the show but refused because he wasn't booked.
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Post by Wrestlecrap's 13th listener on Feb 17, 2006 14:08:48 GMT -5
I had listened to the interview and I'm changing my perspective on Mr. Russo as well. I didn't hate Vinny Ru, but I let stuff I read influence my decisions over the years. Man, I was totally wrong. I never knew about the Blonde Bytch Project because I didn't watch the WWF back then. I'm glad this week's induction made me aware of that vignette with Stevie and Meanie. For years, I also hated the Val Venis character, but I can appreciate Russo's intention for creating him. Russo wasn't nearly as big a dick like Bischoff, Sullivan or Nash who couldn't book a show to save their lives. Thanks R.D. for this interview and counting the days for part two.
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Post by SRX24 on Feb 17, 2006 14:48:30 GMT -5
This is a fantastic interview and it is great to finally hear Russo's side of the story. He just sounds like a good guy that got caught up in bad things.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 17, 2006 16:44:41 GMT -5
I really enjoyed that interview. Haha, my favourite part was hearing about the old storylines he was in, especially talking with Val Venis, and how he just looked at him and thought, dirty porn star, and it all ended up working out. I can't wait for the next interview.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Feb 17, 2006 19:48:09 GMT -5
RD, I am not worthy to be in your presence. You interviewed the man, the myth, Vince Russo. I just listened to it and loved it. Russo seems down to earth to me. Like when he talked about talking to the wrestlers to help the characters, I thought "WWE CREATIVE, ARE YOU LISTENING??!!" Can't wait for the 2nd part. Hope my question is asked. *crosses fingers*
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 17, 2006 19:56:12 GMT -5
listening to it now. So far i love his comments on Burchill and Stephanies lack of creativity. LOL
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Post by famth on Feb 17, 2006 20:35:07 GMT -5
I will say one thing about Vince Russo: he did something that nobody was doing at that point and gave every single wrestler a character or a storyline. Good, bad or ugly, everybody had something to do on the show. That's a lesson the current WWE createive should learn. By the way, I heard that Dennis Stamp was invited to come on the show but refused because he wasn't booked. yes he gave something for everyone, but did you really want to watch marc henry feel up a transexual? terri have a miscarriage? dlo brown buy tampons? ect ect ect. I wish i had emailed my questions now like why did he quit over the phone on the night of a tv show? why did he make fun of Jim Ross's handicap . He said that he booked the angles first then the matches came, but lets face it, alot of his angles weren't ever going to lead to matches. I personally wouldn't want to see a match between d lo brown and terri because he knocked her off the apron and she lost her baby. And guess what, there was no match, because no one would want to see it, so what was the point of it in the first place? Yes, everyone knows that wrestling isn't real, but no one buys it as acting either. It has to be seen to be real within its own world because it is happening in real time, almost like a documentary/sport. But when you do things that aren't realistic, like a man getting his penis chopped off on national television, no one will believe its real anyway. Yes the attitude era was fun, and he makes alot of good point about using real aspects of a wrestler to use as his or her character to get them over because then it will seem more genuine, but it's always been that way and is still that way now that Russo isn't in the WWE. In the attitude era, the crappier characters were more enjoyable then because they were actually talented enough to atleast make a go of the character. Beaver Cleavage could have taken off, I doubt it, but you never know. The thing is now is that not many heels actually have personalities, and do nothing to make you want to hate them. Which is alot do to with how bad creative is. I also disagreee with russo when he said having wrestlers writing storylines is a bad idea. The whole foley v orton thing was alot of mick foleys idea and that wa sprobably one of the most entertaining feuds in the past few years, and they only had one singles match. When russo was writing for wcw, he made himself a wrestler and no one cared because no one knew who he was because he was just a writer in wwf. I could bet my last muffin that is on my plate right now that if Vince mcmahon wasn't controling russo in wwf, russo would have been in the ring beating up steve austin. Because if he can do it to flair then he can do it to anyone if he had the power. And it wasn't like WCW had no talent left what so ever near the end... They had some tremendous talent that shoudl have been used, but Russo as a tv character did not excite me at all. Yes the mcmahons were on tv as heels but back in the day it worked and Im sure russo had a part in making it happen, but in his book, he gives himself far too much credit, then on the show, he says that other people should have been given credit, which is true, but very contradictory.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 17, 2006 21:16:04 GMT -5
the last ten minutes of that made me a Russo mark. Thank you RD.
I cant wait til next week
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Feb 17, 2006 23:13:27 GMT -5
Wow RD, the Russo interview was amazing! I really appreciate the fact that Mr Russo was a good sport and decided to grant us this interview. After listening to him, he comes across as the most humble and down to earth guy on the planet. He may not have always been that way, but he certainly is now.
I am greatly anticipating part two next week!
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Post by AJ on Feb 18, 2006 2:02:29 GMT -5
I can't see to find the link to the Vince Russo interview, the latest wrestlecrap radio is from early February, so can someone post the link in here or PM me with the link. Thanks
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Post by HHHsledge on Feb 18, 2006 2:17:25 GMT -5
RD, put him on again. Awesome interview. I hung on every word he had to say. Love it man. Keep up the good work. Cant wait for your next book.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 18, 2006 9:41:29 GMT -5
Along with a lot of fellow crappers, I have to say I have a new respect for Russo. I'm not saying everything he did is understood/forgiven, but I can at least see where the man was coming from.
RD, a few people asked this, I guess Ill add my name to the list....
What do you now think of Mr Russo?
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Post by famth on Feb 18, 2006 19:18:39 GMT -5
Ok, Russo made alot of sense, but the things he said arent things that havent always applied to wrestling since atleast pay per views started. Ok, he might have wrote the angle and the match would come, but isn't thats how its always been with big matches? you do that to sell the pay per view. Why give the match away for free on tv?
TV is there to make you want to buy the PPV, but since wwf and wcw started having one event a month, in the long run, it did harm wrestling because we have seen everything we could possibly see. thats part of the reason why wcw went out of business I think. Atleast wwf, pushed new stars, and still do it now, but at a more rapid pace to the point where we don't care too much about them. But maybe thats why they do it, because they are always on the look out for the next steve austin.
But I think the main reason why people arent buying the pay per views, apart from that there is 90 a week now, is that why should we? when we are getting just as good wrestling for free 6 hours a week. The nunzio super crazy match on VELOCITY this week was one of the best matches I've seen in so long. That should be on pay per view...
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Post by CaptainRon on Feb 19, 2006 14:46:37 GMT -5
yes he gave something for everyone, but did you really want to watch marc henry feel up a transexual? terri have a miscarriage? dlo brown buy tampons? ect ect ect. I wish i had emailed my questions now like why did he quit over the phone on the night of a tv show? why did he make fun of Jim Ross's handicap . He said that he booked the angles first then the matches came, but lets face it, alot of his angles weren't ever going to lead to matches. I personally wouldn't want to see a match between d lo brown and terri because he knocked her off the apron and she lost her baby. And guess what, there was no match, because no one would want to see it, so what was the point of it in the first place? Yes, everyone knows that wrestling isn't real, but no one buys it as acting either. It has to be seen to be real within its own world because it is happening in real time, almost like a documentary/sport. But when you do things that aren't realistic, like a man getting his member chopped off on national television, no one will believe its real anyway. Yes the attitude era was fun, and he makes alot of good point about using real aspects of a wrestler to use as his or her character to get them over because then it will seem more genuine, but it's always been that way and is still that way now that Russo isn't in the WWE. In the attitude era, the crappier characters were more enjoyable then because they were actually talented enough to atleast make a go of the character. Beaver Cleavage could have taken off, I doubt it, but you never know. The thing is now is that not many heels actually have personalities, and do nothing to make you want to hate them. Which is alot do to with how bad creative is. I also disagreee with russo when he said having wrestlers writing storylines is a bad idea. The whole foley v orton thing was alot of mick foleys idea and that wa sprobably one of the most entertaining feuds in the past few years, and they only had one singles match. When russo was writing for wcw, he made himself a wrestler and no one cared because no one knew who he was because he was just a writer in wwf. I could bet my last muffin that is on my plate right now that if Vince mcmahon wasn't controling russo in wwf, russo would have been in the ring beating up steve austin. Because if he can do it to flair then he can do it to anyone if he had the power. And it wasn't like WCW had no talent left what so ever near the end... They had some tremendous talent that shoudl have been used, but Russo as a tv character did not excite me at all. Yes the mcmahons were on tv as heels but back in the day it worked and Im sure russo had a part in making it happen, but in his book, he gives himself far too much credit, then on the show, he says that other people should have been given credit, which is true, but very contradictory. I wasn't defending his angles, but the guy had the right idea. I don't agree with his vision--throw everything at the wall and see what sticks--nor do I agree with abandoning all logic (yes, I know you want to surprise people and keep them coming back week after week, but there comes a point where "suprising" becomes "confusing"). But there is no reason why every WWE wrestler couldn't have a compelling character or storyline. Russo has the right idea, wrong execution.
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