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Post by Raja Lion on May 11, 2010 8:36:21 GMT -5
There was a time when he was a legend, but most of the time, no. His work in ECW cannot be understated. He is a pioneer in many regards, but the majority of career I wouldnt consider legendary.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 11, 2010 8:41:26 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan. He bored me in the ring most of the time, and it seemed like his entire gimmick and act revolved around cutting bitter rants about other guys who were way more successful than himself, especially in the later years. XPW didn't help. And his TNA stints weren't too great either ("Oh look, it's Shane Douglas and he's angry....again..."). This. When he wanted to be, he was pretty solid in the ring. I'll give him that. Beyond that, he never did anything for me. His whole shtick was him blaming everyone but himself for his shortcomings and using profanity to an unecessary degree.
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Post by Trent Valentine on May 11, 2010 10:15:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Douglas a Legend. To me, he seems like a guy who blames his short comings on everyone. He bitches and moans about Flair not making him a star, he whines about the Kliq keeping him from being a big player, the guy just does nothing but cry about the people who wronged him and he thinks that makes him a big star. When he came back to TNA looking like he ate The Triple Threat (God rest the soul of Candido and Bam Bam) and having a farmer's tan that would make Hank Hill blush, Shawn Michaels was having big time matches with guys like Chris Jericho and The Undertaker.
Legend..I don't think so. He seems more like a bitter crybaby.
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Post by DavidArquette on May 11, 2010 11:41:03 GMT -5
Above average in the ring, below average on the mic. He was booked well in ECW and that's the only place he's ever looked good. He was crappy during his initial WWF and WCW runs and boring for the most part in WCW.
I don't like how he blames his misfortunes on other people either. Doesn't he think it's weird that the only place he got a break was in ECW, a company made up mostly of misfits and garbage wrestlers? And when working in a major promotion he barely made it to upper mid card?
I understand if other people like him, especially if it's just his ECW stuff but Shane Douglas is anything but a 'Franchise' and anything but a legend.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 11, 2010 12:55:06 GMT -5
Shane Douglas is an ECW legend. He was the workhorse champion that carried the company in its early stages and helped make it more than a local indy fed. He earned the respect of Terry Funk and Ricky Steamboat, two guys who Flair thinks are legends. He was obviously good enough to hold the U.S and IC titles in WWF and WCW, so he must not have been worthless. In all honesty, the only difference between him and Triple H were backstage connections.
I've watched Shane Douglas from his Dynamic dudes days until his TNA time and he was a hell of a worker and was a tremendous talker on the mic. It's hypocritical that people think he was bad on the mic because he cursed when people forget that DX got over with profanity, penis jokes and smarky remarks. They ran with what worked for them at the time.
Shane Douglas' interviews weren't profanity laced rants. They showed how much passion and desire his character had to be the best in the business. One example: from 8:25 on.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on May 11, 2010 13:17:43 GMT -5
Also Shane's own practice of politics in ECW just made him a hypocrite and look bad. If you don't know what I am talking about in 1998 Shane injured his elbow and was sidelined for 6 months, yet still retained the ECW title although unable to defend it, which led to Taz creating the FTW title and RVD's tv title becoming increasingly important. I believe that someone mentioned this a while ago. That would also apply to XPW, when he was a booker for it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 11, 2010 13:24:42 GMT -5
Bigger prick than he was a legend, but he was a legend nontheless. He had the right to be bitter, but by gosh, he made it hard to feel sympathy for him.
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Post by Victory on May 11, 2010 14:48:29 GMT -5
Just because he liked to swear alot on the mic doesn't make him good on it IMO. It was just a cheap way to get heat. Definitely not a legend. An ECW legend, but not an overall wrestling legend.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 11, 2010 15:34:28 GMT -5
It's hypocritical that people think he was bad on the mic because he cursed when people forget that DX got over with profanity, penis jokes and smarky remarks. They ran with what worked for them at the time. DX got over with it, yes. Shane got over with it with the ECW audience. It doesn't mean either of them were good on the mic. As you said, it worked at the time. I have no problem with that, but without any success approaching the level he had in ECW when he couldn't cut those promos....
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Post by NIXON on May 11, 2010 16:17:24 GMT -5
It's hypocritical that people think he was bad on the mic because he cursed when people forget that DX got over with profanity, penis jokes and smarky remarks. They ran with what worked for them at the time. DX got over with it, yes. Shane got over with it with the ECW audience. It doesn't mean either of them were good on the mic. As you said, it worked at the time. I have no problem with that, but without any success approaching the level he had in ECW when he couldn't cut those promos.... For me, taking that awful character of Dean Douglas and becoming the IC champ and easily the best heel in the WWF in 1995 is pretty damn successful. Not many guys could have made anything out of that gimmick.
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Post by FunkerCM on May 11, 2010 16:21:16 GMT -5
Legend in his own mind.
Although throwing the NWA title down was a legendary moment in the business, Shane Douglas/Troy Martin is a never was.
He blames his lack of mainstream success on Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, the Kliq, Paul Heyman and everyone else bar himself.
Had he been able to cut a promo without swearing and just gone with the flow in the back, he could possibly have been a big-time heel outside of ECW.
Vince gave Shane Douglas a great gimmick in mid-1995 and he royally screwed it up by the end of the year.
About 6 months later, a guy called Steve Austin who had no stroke debuted with a terrible gimmick while the Kliq still had some pull and within 12-18 months was the most over guy in wrestling.
"Dean" Douglas should've bit his tongue, shut his mouth, stayed healthy and he'd be making a very comfortable living in wrestling right now.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on May 11, 2010 16:38:21 GMT -5
I don't see how a guy who never broke the mainstream, or even came close, could be considered a legend. If you polled Americans, 99.9% would answer "who/what/huh?" when asked if they knew of the exploits of Shane "Dean" Douglas.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 11, 2010 16:43:01 GMT -5
I don't know, I never saw Dean Douglas as anything special, either. It's been awhile, so I'll have to check it out again and see if I think differently.
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Post by Trent Valentine on May 11, 2010 17:27:30 GMT -5
Bigger prick than he was a legend, but he was a legend nontheless. He had the right to be bitter, but by gosh, he made it hard to feel sympathy for him. This. If he wasn't such an A-Hole, people would feel sorry for him. But instead he continued to beat a dead horse and point fingers at the Kliq, Ric Flair and Vince McMahon for his lack of success. But maybe he should do the one thing he has never done yet...blame himself.
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Post by Kash Flagg on May 11, 2010 17:36:49 GMT -5
An ECW legend sure...but outside of the Pitbull angle, Taz and the NWA fiasco, most of the big angles never involved him really. Raven or Dreamer or Taz would be higher in my eyes...not talent wise, but just connecting with the audience
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on May 11, 2010 18:06:05 GMT -5
Shane Douglas is an ECW legend. He was the workhorse champion that carried the company in its early stages and helped make it more than a local indy fed. He earned the respect of Terry Funk and Ricky Steamboat, two guys who Flair thinks are legends. He was obviously good enough to hold the U.S and IC titles in WWF and WCW, so he must not have been worthless. In all honesty, the only difference between him and Triple H were backstage connections. His U.S. title reign was because Russo had a hard-on for him. Nothing more, nothing less. My opinion on Shane Douglas is that he was good in the ring and good on the mic, but he needed a strong booker who gave a damn about him to make him into a star. Paul Heyman proved that. Legend? In the indies and ECW, sure. Overall? Not so much, IMO. He should be happy with his WCW World Tag Team title reign with Ricky Steamboat; I liked that team a lot, actually, but I think that was mostly because Steamboat can work well with anybody.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on May 11, 2010 18:15:48 GMT -5
It's not the Hall of Good. It's the Hall of Fame.
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Post by Garee on May 11, 2010 19:02:37 GMT -5
Compared to some of the guys they're calling legends nowadays I say yes he should be considered one
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 11, 2010 19:03:37 GMT -5
I think he did more for the sport than Koko B. Ware, that's for sure...
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 11, 2010 22:52:06 GMT -5
Shane Douglas is an ECW legend. He was the workhorse champion that carried the company in its early stages and helped make it more than a local indy fed. He earned the respect of Terry Funk and Ricky Steamboat, two guys who Flair thinks are legends. He was obviously good enough to hold the U.S and IC titles in WWF and WCW, so he must not have been worthless. In all honesty, the only difference between him and Triple H were backstage connections. I've watched Shane Douglas from his Dynamic dudes days until his TNA time and he was a hell of a worker and was a tremendous talker on the mic. It's hypocritical that people think he was bad on the mic because he cursed when people forget that DX got over with profanity, penis jokes and smarky remarks. They ran with what worked for them at the time. Shane Douglas' interviews weren't profanity laced rants. They showed how much passion and desire his character had to be the best in the business. One example: from 8:25 on. Even if the I-C title run lasted a whole 10 mins? That he only given because HBK forfit because he was hurt. The US title run how can you say that means anything. When it was during the dieing days of WCW. WCW was a joke at the time he became champion. The way WCW was ran how can you even think anybody in WCW knew what the hell they where doing was ever a good move? On top of that was he even impressive as either champion no. How can a 10 min title run be said that he was worth something? How does holding the US during the worst of the company when he beat the likes of Hugh Morris to win it. Nothing against Bill Demont but it not impressive when you beat a guy who spend most of the time in WCW as a jobber to the stars. That was only pushed for about 6 months with MIA. So yeah I can't really say that WWF and WCW didn't think he was worthless when what the whole picture looked like.
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