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Post by sunwukong on Jun 12, 2010 3:22:30 GMT -5
So, um, am I the only person who still thinks this is a work? Everybody is talking themselves up into believing it's real. I don't buy the tie thing at all. No, you're not. Though to be honest, I don't particularly care either way. *IF* Danielson has really been released out of the blue like this, it would have to be over something very serious. The tie-choking business is... plausible, but only barely. And if the tie story is true, this does sound like the sort of thing that will wind up with him being rehired when it blows over in six months or so, and it'll just give them more fodder for Danielson's smarky "screwed over by management" angle. The plausibility of the tie story increases exponentially when you account for the fact that someone "important" complained. To me, that doesn't say someone internal. That says someone who either has ad dollars to spend, or donations to give to Linda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2010 3:23:15 GMT -5
If he gets rehired sometime toward the end of the year or beginning of next year, then Meltzer's "source" is right on the money and they want to rehire him when this blows over (I am guessing he means AFTER the Linda's campaign is over). They don't have to wait until the end of the year. One would think it would blow over before his no compete clause is up. If, hypothetically, this tie thing is true, then they could probably hire him back within a month, maybe wait another to bring him back on air. Wouldn't at all be a problem, since people at large have no real memory extending beyond that point these days. Also, hypothetically, if this tie thing is true I'm done. While PG has provided plenty of benefits - overall increase in the quality of humor (Hornswoggle or not, DX was much funnier in 2009 than 2006 and most of the skits these days are better done), made the divas actually have to (badly) work rather than be in Fulfill Your Fantasy matches and crap, given some new characters who probably wouldn't have been given the time of day in more hardcore times a play - between that and the blood stoppages the negatives outweight the positives. Don't get me wrong, I'm not that huge a Bryan fan - I like him, but I find Wade Barrett and maybe even Michael Tarver and Darren Young more entertaining; I just think it's too stupid to tolerate when most of the programming is meh at best anyway.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jun 12, 2010 3:23:54 GMT -5
Seriously, this is a joke, right? I certainly hope so.....this thing is doing my head in.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 12, 2010 3:25:43 GMT -5
Guys stop talking about political campaigns. Is it okay to mention that Linda is running for the Senate and speculate that someone involved in her campaign could be the reported 'very important person' who complained? Many of the people who brought up the campaign were not talking about her positions or her opponents positions on politics, just mentioning her campaign in passing. Edit: By the way, I am really asking because I don't want to break the no politics rule and the Linda thing sometimes comes up when discussing WWE and its direction.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Jun 12, 2010 3:28:20 GMT -5
Guys stop talking about political campaigns. Is it okay to mention that Linda is running for the Senate and speculate that someone involved in her campaign could be the reported 'very important person' who complained? Many of the people who brought up the campaign were not talking about her positions or her opponents positions on politics, just mentioning her campaign in passing. Thats the context I meant my comments to be. I sometimes have trouble putting things in the right words. Positions and issues don't concern me in this situation.
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Post by maximilian on Jun 12, 2010 3:28:29 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson was fired because he's Bryan Danielson. Triple H can bash people in the head with a sledgehammer for years, Sheamus can do the same with a pipe against Triple H five times, and John Cena can choke his opponent into unconsciousness with a ring rope in the main event of a PPV.
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Post by casualobserver on Jun 12, 2010 3:29:09 GMT -5
Guys stop talking about political campaigns. Unless I'm missing something (and it's possible since it's late), this board has steered away from the ideological side of it, which has no bearing on the topic. Linda's campaign has been brought up because it's a possibility with the subject at hand as to who may have have had a problem with Bryan's tie spot that led to his dismissal. If that's a rule violation, let us know.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jun 12, 2010 3:29:16 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson was fired because he's Bryan Danielson. Triple H can bash people in the head with a sledgehammer for years, Sheamus can do the same with a pipe against Triple H five times, and John Cena can choke his opponent into unconsciousness with a ring rope in the main event of a PPV. That's true. All of those guys are Main Event guys, not just some rookie scrub. I don't see your point.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 12, 2010 3:30:05 GMT -5
So, um, am I the only person who still thinks this is a work? Everybody is talking themselves up into believing it's real. I don't buy the tie thing at all. No, you're not. Though to be honest, I don't particularly care either way. *IF* Danielson has really been released out of the blue like this, it would have to be over something very serious. The tie-choking business is... plausible, but only barely. And if the tie story is true, this does sound like the sort of thing that will wind up with him being rehired when it blows over in six months or so, and it'll just give them more fodder for Danielson's smarky "screwed over by management" angle. I do wonder how much of the estatic praise for the NXT angle will evaporate if Bryan is gone for the time being. Even if WWE does everything right, I wouldn't be all that surprised if the angle loses a great deal of luster with smarkdom if it's only FCW trainees being elevated instead of an ROH alumni... That was teh point I was making earlier. There are still so many things they can do with this even without Bryan but on this forum already it's like the angle is dead. There are still 7 other guys there. At least Justin Gabriel is still around.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 12, 2010 3:30:48 GMT -5
Didn't Cena Attitude Adjust Batista onto a car at the last PPV? That seems much more dangerous than the tie thing...
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 12, 2010 3:30:54 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson was fired because he's Bryan Danielson. Triple H can bash people in the head with a sledgehammer for years, Sheamus can do the same with a pipe against Triple H five times, and John Cena can choke his opponent into unconsciousness with a ring rope in the main event of a PPV. That's true. All of those guys are Main Event guys, not just some rookie scrub. I don't see your point. Speculation is that Bryan didn't clear the tie-choking thing. The above incidents were more likely cleared (some definitely were).
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Post by casualobserver on Jun 12, 2010 3:32:09 GMT -5
That's true. All of those guys are Main Event guys, not just some rookie scrub. I don't see your point. Speculation is that Bryan didn't clear the tie-choking thing. The above incidents were more likely cleared (some definitely were). It's not necessarily an angle killer, but losing the guy you've invested in storylines and exposure to lead up to this does have some impact.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 12, 2010 3:32:23 GMT -5
Perhaps it made a difference because of who he was violently attacking. Instead of it being typical wrestler on wrestler violence, he was choking the hell out of an "innocent civilian" if you will. Just a random thought, of course. I mentioned that as well and used Crime Tyme being fired as an example.
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Post by comahan on Jun 12, 2010 3:33:33 GMT -5
Didn't Cena Attitude Adjust Batista onto a car at the last PPV? That seems much more dangerous than the tie thing... That was wrestler vs wrestler, not wrestler vs "innocent civilian". I honestly do think that stuff matters to some people. To us? Maybe not. But i could buy that as an explanation. Also, the example you have was also on PPV, a totally different world than TV.
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Post by michaeladd on Jun 12, 2010 3:33:38 GMT -5
All of you citing examples of violence...NOTICE THEY ALL HAPPENED AT PPVs.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 12, 2010 3:34:24 GMT -5
Perhaps it made a difference because of who he was violently attacking. Instead of it being typical wrestler on wrestler violence, he was choking the hell out of an "innocent civilian" if you will. Just a random thought, of course. I mentioned that as well and used Crime Tyme being fired as an example. The Cryme Tyme thing was not approved beforehand either if I recall. Granted we are all speculating that Bryan didn't get this approved.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 12, 2010 3:34:56 GMT -5
PPV's are still rated PG are they not?
Wasn't it at a PPV where they stopped a match to fix up a bleeding wrestler?
PG is PG regardless of where it takes place.
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Post by Kris Kobain on Jun 12, 2010 3:36:10 GMT -5
I mentioned that as well and used Crime Tyme being fired as an example. The Cryme Tyme thing was not approved beforehand either if I recall. Granted we are all speculating that Bryan didn't get this approved. RIght and they used the move on someone who wasn't trained to take it. That was the comparisson I was making. Had Danielson used the tie on another wrestler we may not be having this discussion.
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Post by maximilian on Jun 12, 2010 3:36:20 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson was fired because he's Bryan Danielson. Triple H can bash people in the head with a sledgehammer for years, Sheamus can do the same with a pipe against Triple H five times, and John Cena can choke his opponent into unconsciousness with a ring rope in the main event of a PPV. That's true. All of those guys are Main Event guys, not just some rookie scrub. I don't see your point. Meltzer: "What I was told is someone very important complained about the angle and it was the idea that kids watching may think it's fun to choke people with their ties." Kids watch Triple H, Sheamus, and Cena, too.
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Post by I *still* ✡ Johnny on Jun 12, 2010 3:36:38 GMT -5
If this is a work (which I'm still thinking it is)... BEST. WORK. EVER.
Mind you, yes, Linda's running for Senate and judging by the audience reaction it seemed extremely real, so it's 50/50 at this stage.
Man I love WWE now. Hate them if they really fired Bryan over something so small.
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