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Post by SenorCrest on Jun 12, 2010 3:51:10 GMT -5
Eh. Maybe its a work. Maybe not. I mean they did edit it out of the recap on tuesday. could be it, maybe not. Wish they didn't tho. I was feeling the angle and idk this will just have a weird taste in me mouth.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jun 12, 2010 3:51:41 GMT -5
I think some of you need to get over the fact that DBD is a nobody in the WWE and stop citing guys like Cena, Batista, HHH, etc. when they have done stuff "not-PG" Those guys make WAY too much money for the WWE to fire them. A guy like DBD who has done NOTHING so far is much more likely to get canned. Danielson wasn't exactly a "nobody", considering much of NXT was devoted to getting him over. In the grand scheme of things, it may have been "getting him over" but was he really all that over? He hasn't even gotten a chance to do much of anything. So, while he may not be a complete nobody, the fact of the matter is..he is nowhere near a Cena, Batista, HHH, or hell even Sheamus in terms of importance to the overall good of the WWE.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 12, 2010 3:53:41 GMT -5
He was there for less than six months. Why are we supposed to compare his overness to MEs? Even the Kennedy firing (and Kennedy was much more established than Danielson) got 100% verification. Why can't the Danielson firing be 100% verified?
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 12, 2010 3:54:03 GMT -5
Bingo. Comparing it against other acts of violence is meaningless. Whether or not the individual that complained saw or cared about those is irrelevant tot he fact that they saw and complained about this one. Then why is it still on the website? If it was that big of an issue then they should remove it from the website. The only reason I could see not to do this would be if a network executive saw it and didn't like it as USA are notorious for complaining about Raw or if an advertiser saw it and didn't like it then complained to USA who in turn complained to WWE. The lack of communication between Titan Towers and WWE.com is pretty notorious. The fact that those pics are still up doesn't really prove anything. The fact that it was edited from TV speaks volumes, on the other hand.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Jun 12, 2010 3:54:24 GMT -5
You can't just say 'cleared or not' as if that isn't important. All uses of weapons or 'props' must be cleared with producers who may have to themselves get clearances. So if you see a wrestler use a weapon in a PPV match, they are just doing what was planned for them. If a talent asks for permission to do a specific thing, especially to a non-worker like a referee or ring announcer, and is given permission, then there is much less the company can do to the talent because it was cleared. If a worker does something like choking an announcer with his tie when it was not approved (and this is what we are speculating), then WWE has much more leverage to discipline the worker. I just don't think you can say 'cleared or not' as if that doesn't matter because whether or not it was cleared makes a huge difference. What I am trying to say is that I have a hard time believing the tie wasn't cleared. Particularly with how many times they used the shot. One more question I want to ask, if tie-gate is true, then have we moved from PG to G. One thing I am sensing in the frustration with the story is that the rest of the NXT invasion will be nerfed and played as safe as possible, thus making it horrible, regardless of the talent of the men involved. That doesn't seem fair to the paying audience or the performers who have a chance to improve their careers with this angle. Even if you aren't a Danielson fan and think the angle goes on without him, does it now become Spirit Squad 2.0?
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jun 12, 2010 3:54:34 GMT -5
I just cannot imagine that WWE would release someone and let them go to another company when their last image on WWE TV was them kicking in the head of the FACE OF THE COMPANY. Knowing WWE, they would have at LEAST waited until this Monday to completely bury him (you know, more than they did with the losing streak) before sending him on his way. The only way they’d release him after letting him get one over on Cena is if he jumped Vince and put him in the Cattle Mutilation.
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 12, 2010 3:54:35 GMT -5
He was there for less than six months. Why are we supposed to compare his overness to MEs? Even the Kennedy firing (and Kennedy was much more established than Danielson) got 100% verification. Why can't the Danielson firing be 100% verified? I figure it will be by sometime tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by BarrelO on Jun 12, 2010 3:55:36 GMT -5
Let's think about this. Who would have enough stroke to turn something like this into a one-strike-and-you're out offense (Cryme Tyme was already on thin ice when they were released)? Let the speculation begin! After preemptively taking anyone from Linda's campaign off the table, of course. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on someone from Mattel.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jun 12, 2010 3:57:00 GMT -5
Still far too long. Carlito and Mickie were 100% when fired and didn't inspire this "are they or aren't they" business.
I don't trust the legitimacy of this.
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Post by Marky Mark on Jun 12, 2010 3:58:42 GMT -5
I'm still leaning towards the "This is a work" side. The majority of his storyline seemed to be based around "Screwing with the internet fans." The fact that Meltzer is reporting it as legit seems to only support the case. If they wanted to push a "Worked shoot", Meltzer would be the FIRST person they'd send BS information to. I mean, fired over the Tie thing seems stupid. Roberts looked at the camera and sold the tie choking sort of wacky.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 12, 2010 4:02:54 GMT -5
To the people talking about the Twitter, did Mickie get to keep hers when she left?
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Post by M. Dirrty on Jun 12, 2010 4:03:07 GMT -5
wow...
37 pages of the same posts and thoughts over and over
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 12, 2010 4:03:49 GMT -5
Still far too long. Carlito and Mickie were 100% when fired and didn't inspire this "are they or aren't they" business. I don't trust the legitimacy of this. The story broke on Friday night. What constitutes '100% proof' of someone really being fired? Whatever it takes to prove it...we haven't had that long since the posting on WWE.com so if you are waiting for more proof, you have not been waiting that long. Also, Carlito's firing was posted as a wellness violation coupled with refusal of treatment, so there was not much need to have the firing verified.
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Post by sunwukong on Jun 12, 2010 4:04:15 GMT -5
Still far too long. Carlito and Mickie were 100% when fired and didn't inspire this "are they or aren't they" business. I don't trust the legitimacy of this. Those firings didn't happen late on a Friday night. Nobody is around to confirm anything. You just get scraps. The news cycle is down. I maintain that this whole thing makes zero sense whatsoever as a work. It's weird. There are questions and the answers we have aren't great. But I don't think it's a work. It makes no sense at all and there is enough that seems to indicate that it's legit that I'm confident in saying he's really gone and you won't be seeing him Monday night.
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Post by Fade on Jun 12, 2010 4:04:54 GMT -5
So. Stupid.
(Whether or not it's true.)
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jun 12, 2010 4:07:04 GMT -5
Still far too long. Carlito and Mickie were 100% when fired and didn't inspire this "are they or aren't they" business. I don't trust the legitimacy of this. But neither Carlito and Mickie were involved in angles where they were attacking the very foundations of the company, casting doubt over whether or not their release was a work.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jun 12, 2010 4:07:49 GMT -5
wow... 37 pages of the same posts and thoughts over and over God forbid people want to discuss anything. Thanks for the helpful input.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 12, 2010 4:08:24 GMT -5
To the people talking about the Twitter, did Mickie get to keep hers when she left? Well, please correct me if I am wrong because I am more of a facebook user (though I have a twitter account too), but could Mickie and/or Bryan change the email associated with their accounts to a private/personal email account? Bryan changed his name away from the name owned by WWE, so that is kind of removing an association with WWE. Is there something on his twitter page that says 'WWE Official Verified Page' or something? If so, give it more time for things like that to be fixed. It seems like it would be easy to convert a twitter page from a verified WWE account to just a personal account.
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Post by timomouse on Jun 12, 2010 4:10:38 GMT -5
I mean, fired over the Tie thing seems stupid. Roberts looked at the camera and sold the tie choking sort of wacky. Yeah, but how is Roberts? He might have been injured. We don't know that and, if he has incurred damage from the tie choke, it wouldn't take that much of a complaint to reach tipping point. Either way, it's not the end on the N-vasion if it's played right. But it's a major loss of talent. Danielson might not have been Main Event, but he was the standout from NXT and destined for a big push.
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Post by Frosty on Jun 12, 2010 4:11:39 GMT -5
I really hope it's real so I can laugh at the reaction on this board, but I really hope it isn't for the sake of being entertained. I is torn.
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