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Post by DK on Oct 12, 2010 8:16:45 GMT -5
I say its on Gabriel. The finish looked to be a missed 450 into a RKO with Orton hitting it after Gabriel bounced up from the impact of the missed 450. Thus Randy would have been out of position to hit it if he rolled back into the corner. While that is true, its not hard just to walk round to the center of the ring to hit the rko. Both wrestlers knew the 450 wasn't meant to connect. Both of them should've worked out that its easier for Gabriel to over shoot the 450 and Orton to roll towards the corner. Other option being Orton to roll towards the center, with Gabriel undershooting with risk of hitting the turnbuckle. First option would be best, but Orton mustve thought otherwise.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 12, 2010 8:19:25 GMT -5
Perhaps it was planned for Gabriel not to jump so far and the rookie simply messed up? Gabriel's been wrestling for over a decade. I didn't see the match though, but it seems from the bit I read, that it's both of their faults.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Oct 12, 2010 8:23:54 GMT -5
well, it seems that orlando jordan will had a new that team partner : P
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 12, 2010 8:27:58 GMT -5
It does seem odd though, like, I do wish I saw it, stupid nightshift, I'll be off that soon. Anyway, the 450 is a tough move to get away from, due to how fast it is done. So, the spot probably shouldn't have taken place at all.
But, with Orton, you don't want to get hurt, but I'm hoping Orton isn't completely unreasonable, as stuff like that has been an issue with him. Wrestling isn't ballet though, and shit happens, and if he's a reasonable person, he could see that the spot probably wasn't the best idea in the first place.
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Post by H-Fist on Oct 12, 2010 8:33:17 GMT -5
I say its on Gabriel. The finish looked to be a missed 450 into a RKO with Orton hitting it after Gabriel bounced up from the impact of the missed 450. Thus Randy would have been out of position to hit it if he rolled back into the corner. While that is true, its not hard just to walk round to the center of the ring to hit the rko. Both wrestlers knew the 450 wasn't meant to connect. Both of them should've worked out that its easier for Gabriel to over shoot the 450 and Orton to roll towards the corner. Other option being Orton to roll towards the center, with Gabriel undershooting with risk of hitting the turnbuckle. First option would be best, but Orton mustve thought otherwise. Yeah, I'm sure most of the people in this thread have seen Marek Brave's botched shooting star press from what I think is an IWA show, where he basically goes straight up in the air and lands with his midsection right across the anchor holding the turnbuckle/ropes to the corner. That's what happens when a flip is undershot - there isn't much room for error. If they did plan for the 450 to be undershot, then both guys and the road agent are to blame, because it's common bleeping sense. And last time I checked, the 450 was basically a blind landing, with the wrestler unable to see his target until right before he hits the ground.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 12, 2010 8:36:13 GMT -5
He better find an alternative way.................... of making money
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Post by Jacob Lee on Oct 12, 2010 9:24:57 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title.
We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring.
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Post by The poster with no name on Oct 12, 2010 9:41:11 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title. We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring. *slow clap* thank you!
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Post by Legion on Oct 12, 2010 10:29:47 GMT -5
People are acting this way because of the new(z) that we got in regards how Randy acted with Kennedy/Anderson and with Kofi. While obviously we have no idea how Orton carries himself backstage or how he might act in regards this or even if the previous reports were real. It isn't unfair to speculate that seen as Randy was involved both time that Randy may have issues with people who dont match what he expects from them. Either way, I thought Cole covered the both very well, and, from watching it, I can't see why Justin would overshoot that far unless he was expecting a role inwards. He's never done it before and they've trusted him to even do the move to Vince. I suspect there was either miscommunication between the two or Randy rolled the wrong way on instinct. Either way, he appears to be fine and no one really came away from the incident looking bad, nor did it ruin the match or anything. Not to mention, with ratings the way they have been under Orton the past few weeks, he may not have the pull he had before
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 12, 2010 10:38:04 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title. We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring. Not only are there newz reports about his interactions about the Kennedy and Kofi botches, but there are plenty of reports of him being an absolute dick to fans (such as taking a camera from a fan that took a picture of him at a club, destroying the memory card, and when the cops got involved paid damages with a $100 that he signed "To Asshole, thanks for the memory card").
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 12, 2010 11:06:17 GMT -5
I think people forget with Kennedy it was a culmination of things. Yeah he almost hurt Orton, but it was reported that Cena, HBK, and Triple H also hated working with him. Plus, he did put his foot in his mouth when steroids were an issue.
Did it ever come out that Kofi's really bad botch and getting Orton pissed off got him depushed? If I remember correctly, he was one of the last men in the number 1 contender battle royal that Shemus won, and was in a Triple threat match to see who would fight Shemus at the Royal Rumble. I think what happened with Kofi was that he got pushed really quick, but after the initial program with Orton they didn't know where to take him. He's still extremely over and has since been IC champ.
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Post by Skeptical Mind on Oct 12, 2010 11:17:34 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title. We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring. Yeah, you're totally right. We don't know anything about the personal life of a guy who spent time in military prison, was discharged for bad conduct, is said to be a complete douchebag by every fan that has ever met him at a fan event, had lawsuits filed against him for harassing fans, was involved in a steroid scandal and who has been talked down by virtually every former WWE employee asked about him in interviews. I'm sure the guy that takes a dump inside the bag of a woman who rejects his advances is a really stand-up mature dude backstage.
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Post by Jacob Lee on Oct 12, 2010 11:37:24 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title. We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring. Yeah, you're totally right. We don't know anything about the personal life of a guy who spent time in military prison, was discharged for bad conduct, is said to be a complete douchebag by every fan that has ever met him at a fan event, had lawsuits filed against him for harassing fans, was involved in a steroid scandal and who has been talked down by virtually every former WWE employee asked about him in interviews. I'm sure the guy that takes a dump inside the bag of a woman who rejects his advances is a really stand-up mature dude backstage. First, I don't really care about the fan accounts people have stated. How would you feel if you had been traveling all day to an arena to do a physical job and then people try and take your picture up close when you're just trying to get something to eat after work? Athletes/musicians/celebs in general do not owe you a photograph or autograph. Second, from what I understand he was in a military prison for deserting the military. I think it's unfair to judge someone based on this. Lots of people who join the military discover that it wasn't what the recruiter sold them on and it's unfair to judge them on the choice they make. He went to jail, served his time and was discharged. Get over it. Third, I'm not saying he's a nice guy or a bad guy. I'm just saying that we have no right to imply he goes around getting people fired because of a single botch. That makes no sense because every single wrestling show has a botch somewhere on it. Finally, it's real easy to judge someone from afar and assume you know them. Hell, Benoit seemed like a real stand up guy, but I'm sure Benoit was a "better person" to you because he never shit in a girl's bag.
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Post by leilaorton on Oct 12, 2010 11:45:31 GMT -5
A friend of mine has met Randy Orton twice. The first time he was a completely douche to her (circa 2007ish), but she had a chance to meet him again, along with Cena, and she didn't speak to him, and he asked her what was up and she told him that he was complete @$$ to her the last time they met, and then (circa 2009) he apologized and said that he was an idiot before the birth of his daughter, and has grown up so much because of her.
so, yeah
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Post by randomranter on Oct 12, 2010 11:57:18 GMT -5
I'm sure the guy that takes a dump inside the bag of a woman who rejects his advances is a really stand-up mature dude backstage. I could be wrong, but I believe the "s*** in bag" story has been dismissed as fake. That being said.... First, I don't really care about the fan accounts people have stated. Normally, I couldn't care less about fan accounts either, but the fact that they almost all point to Orton being a douche leads me to believe there's at least some truth to them. There's a polite way to say that you do not wish to give pics or autographs, and there's an impolite way. It's one thing to say "I'm sorry, I can't give pictures or autographs right now." It's another thing to say "Get out of my face, kid. I'm trying to eat." A vast majority of fan reports about situations like this say that Orton tends to say things closer to the latter than the former. Why? He made his choice. He knew what he was getting himself into. He deserted anyway. That's a HUGE statement about his character. Just because you regret joining doesn't give you the right to desert. Doesn't change the fact that it's still and always will be a huge black mark on his character. But how many of those botches involve the biggest star in the company who happens to also have a lot of pull back stage? It's one thing to botch in a match with Santino. He can be written off of TV very easily for months, and most people probably wouldn't even realize he was gone. The financial damage to the WWE probably hovers near zero. A botch with Orton is a completely different story. It affects merchandise sales. Storylines are scrapped. PPVs are affected. Buyrates drop. It's a huge setback. The financial damage to the WWE could easily be in the six or even seven figures. I will guarantee you that the two situations are handled VERY differently. Even if Orton isn't directly involved in whether or not someone gets punished, I'm willing to bet that the punishment for botching in an Orton match is far, far more severe than botching vs. Zack Ryder.
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Post by The Cool Pup on Oct 12, 2010 11:57:34 GMT -5
A friend of mine has met Randy Orton twice. The first time he was a completely douche to her (circa 2007ish), but she had a chance to meet him again, along with Cena, and she didn't speak to him, and he asked her what was up and she told him that he was complete @$$ to her the last time they met, and then (circa 2009) he apologized and said that he was an idiot before the birth of his daughter, and has grown up so much because of her. so, yeah I hear this a lot from people and am glad to see more and more evidence of it. While I can't prove it, thanks to stories like this it is apparent that Orton has grown up and I do believe that his life experiences had made him into a better person. That being said, about the botched spot. I say it was Gabriel's fault, as he botches quite a lot. But that is to be expected, he's still pretty green. Orton was no mastermind in his rookie days.
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Post by Prince of Darkness on Oct 12, 2010 11:59:54 GMT -5
Well, the Kofi screw up was a huger screw up than last nights issue with Gabriel. Kofi was supposed to reverse the RKO into a Trouble in Paradise, but he didn't, and Randy won the match when he wasn't supposed to. This wouldn't be too bad, but the match was a number 1 contenders match. So I don't blame Randy too much for getting pissed.
Seeing as how Randy won the match as planned this time, as long as his shoulder is fine, and as long as Gabriel and Orton screwed up equally, thing's will hopefully be fine.
But if Orton hurt his shoulder, or Gabriel was entirely at fault, then say goodbye to the best worker in Nexus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2010 12:04:36 GMT -5
I love how people act as if Orton is some huge prick when they don't know him at all. Seriously, it's one thing to speculate, but a whole other to just claim the guy is some evil dude going around getting people fired. Kennedy was more than likely a "last straw" situation with management while the Kofi thing was just a HORRIBLE botch by Kofi. However, Kofi stuck around for quite a while and then moved to Smackdown where he almost immediately won the IC title. We're fans. Face facts that we don't know who these guys really are and it's immature to speculate on their character outside of the ring. *slow clap* thank you! Yes these are three compeletly unrelated coincidences. But seriously now. f*** you Orton your an overrated prick and this is the third person who's apparently done you wrong and will probably get heat for it. That's this FAN'S opinion.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 12, 2010 12:04:58 GMT -5
I'm sure the guy that takes a dump inside the bag of a woman who rejects his advances is a really stand-up mature dude backstage. I could be wrong, but I believe the "s*** in bag" story has been dismissed as fake. The corrected story is that he opened a bottle of tanning lotion and poured it over the contents of her bag and then challenged her to do something about it when she confronted him about it.
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Post by Skeptical Mind on Oct 12, 2010 12:10:33 GMT -5
The corrected story is that he opened a bottle of tanning lotion and poured it over the contents of her bag and then challenged her to do something about it when she confronted him about it. Haha, that's even more fantastic. You show that 100 pound girl who's boss Randy!
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