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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 17:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Oct 11, 2010 17:46:15 GMT -5
I thought a lot about THEY last night when I couldn't sleep and this THEY thing really makes a lot of nonsense
why did Abyss try and make Hogan choke on his hall of fame ring if they were in cahoots?
it also literally wipes away months of story line of Jarrett and Joe feuding with Nash, Sting, and Pope only since it doesn't make sense to drag Joe along with him just turn on him
and Hardy joining doesn't really make much sense....but I'll go in with an open mind Thursday night
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 11, 2010 17:50:34 GMT -5
Bound For Glory not a hit with the Juggalos
From Violent J twitter:
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Oct 11, 2010 18:55:19 GMT -5
"THEY" to me simply smacked of Hogan and Bischoff keeping their own profile high with absolutely no reason to. All of the current story threads that involve "THEY" could work just fine without them.
RVD and Abyss: crazy monster attacks beloved babyface, babyface wants revenge.
Angle, Anderson, Hardy: heated rivalry between two former enemies over the championship takes a twist when beloved babyface turns heel, just to win the title.
Jarrett, Pope, Joe, Sting, Nash: Slight tweak to it: Sting and Nash as the old guard take on Joe and Pope as the future of TNA. Jarrett apparently sides with the young stars only to turn on them and side with his old running mates.(Without Hogan's presence, Steiner may still have been around, turning the whole thing into a 3 vs 3 that changed into a 4 on 2).
While I understand that TNA has got Bischoff and Hogan on board and so want to use them in the best way possible, it does also to me still feel like they're being injected into storylines that would work perfectly well without them.
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Post by clashofchampains on Oct 12, 2010 15:49:14 GMT -5
I have the feeling that They won't be there for long. They'll realise it doesn't work and scrap it in a few months.
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Post by clashofchampains on Oct 12, 2010 16:21:18 GMT -5
BTW, I wonder why they targeted RVD to begin with. He was a Hogan guy. His golden boy. Maybe they turned on him because Dixie brought the ECW guys and he joined them and the ECW represented a loss of control by EB/Hogan/JJ. That's one explanation. I think it would have been better and more straight forward if they would have went after Kurt Angle. He was his own man with no affiliations, harder to convince. A real threat to them. And maybe they brought Anderson for the only purpose to take Angle out since he went after him right away. Then at BFG they would do the ultimate Evil thing of retiring him.
About Flair and Fourtune's new role, Flair can't possibly go after "They" given that he had his guys attack EV2 and Sting/Nash, it seems to me like he was sent by Hogan/EB.
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Post by flatsdomino on Oct 12, 2010 22:29:33 GMT -5
I remember seeing "The Village" (awful movie, by the way), and calling the "shocking" twist within the first five minutes of the film. It was THAT obvious. When I left the theater with my friend, I remarked that "that movie could've probably been about an hour and a half shorter and just gotten to the point already." - That's sort of how I feel seeing "They" unfold at BFG.
Hogan and Bischoff were the heels all along, something people were calling back in MARCH. Hell, Most people figured Hogan and Bischoff were going to turn out to be heels on January 4th - the FIRST night of this whole mess, back when "The Band" came back and seemed to be with Bisch and Hogan, when Hogan was ripping on Jarrett much to the fans displeasure, and Kurt was questioning Hogan's motives. They were hinting at Hogan and Bischoff being the heels in TNA THEN.
Ten months later, it FINALLY happens.
TEN MONTHS AFTER MOST PEOPLE FIGURED THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
The last ten months of TNA feel completely unnecessary. We could've been at this point at the start of the summer, but instead we got an extra seven or so months of buildup towards a painfully obvious conclusion. It took WAY to long to tell everyone what they already knew.
There was NO NEED to have the NWO get back together, NO NEED to have a Hogan/Flair feud with AJ and Abyss as pawns (when they were all on the SAME SIDE) NO NEED to have Abyss or Pope jump back and forth between face and heel in cryptic, confusing angles where what was going on wasn't explained until months later, killing their momentum, NO NEED to have Sting attack RVD and be suspended, NO NEED for RVD to have the belt at all for months and months and never do anything with it, NO NEED to have a random ECW reunion PPV in the middle of everything. Hogan and Bischoff were egomaniacal heels all along, out to invade, take over TNA and put in their favorites.
Like Sean O' Haire, "They" weren't telling us anything we didn't already know.
All the unnecessary distractions, twists, turns, and yes, SWERVES in the road could've been cut out, and TNA might, MIGHT have some momentum, with Hogan/Bischoff's run not already floundering and rumors of them being on the way out rampant. Now, it just seems like too little, too late.
Honestly, BFG was the most sensibly booked thing TNA's done SINCE Hogan came in, but the point may be moot by now. Because now, it just looks like another overcomplicated "TNA" angle, one which is far too convoluted to elevate, engage, or please ANYONE. TNA is in a corner again...only they slooooowly painted themselves into it over the course of a ridiculously dragged-out ten month story arc this time. So, where do they go from here?
Better question: Who honestly cares anymore?
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Post by clashofchampains on Oct 13, 2010 12:29:48 GMT -5
Well you're wrong The Village was a great movie. ;D
The rest you're right but they did all this to probably come up with something epic.
I think the only thing they did right was early on with Abyss and AJ. I don't care if people thought that Abyss became Evan or AJ became Nature Boy # 2, at least these two guys were pushed to the moon. And surprise, surprise, they both became stellar on the mic. It felt like Hogan's regime was getting a 100% behind these guys like you should do for two talented TNA homegrown guys. What I would have done would have been to have Abyss and AJ keep their characters but distance himself from Hogan and Flair to forge their identity. Yet keep promoting them as a big deal. And don't have RVD beat AJ. The WWE guys would play second banana except the young ones like Pope and Morgan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 11:01:23 GMT -5
Got it from Rajah - so take it for what its worth...... still, interesting if true that it could have been either RVD or Hardy - though both makes little sense considering they'd been feuding with Abyss. Honestly - turning Angle and having him join THEY was the most logical progression as he really hadn't fueded with Abyss or Hogan.
-- TNA Wrestling's decision to turn Jeff Hardy heel was made approximately seven weeks ago. The creative department felt that it was adamant that the group Abyss had been referring to as "they" for the past several months include the TNA World Heavyweight Champion and it was determined that Hardy and Rob Van Dam were the prime options.
-- Mr. Anderson has been pulled from wrestling at this weekend's TNA Wrestling house show loop across the Midwest due to an injury suffered at last night's iMPACT! television taping. He will still be appearing as advertised.
While the specific injury is not confirmed, the former Mr. Kennedy reportedly suffered a gash during his match.
-- Today is former TNA talent Karen Angle's birthday as she turns 38 years old. Regarding this, she wrote on Twitter: "Thank you for the birthday wishes everyone! 38th years old today...I am the happiest I've ever been thank you to my amazing husband and kids for making everyday special!!!!"
She was also in attendance at Sunday's Bound for Glory pay-per-view.
sources: Wrestling Observer Newsletter, PWInsider.com
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Oct 14, 2010 12:10:01 GMT -5
I'm the only one who wants to see russo join in ''They''?
In the next impact, russo should appear shooting on Hogan and Bischoff, claiming that he knew that hiring both guys was an stupid idea becuase all their politics killed wcw, but that he has to take all the fault, even though he tried to do his best to make the company suceed, and that now in TNA, he found a second chance to suceed, so he will not let that they kills his company, and that he will be at the corner off RVD on the next PPV
Then, on the next PPV, he swerve us and hits RVD with a bat
Yeah, I know that is bad and doesn't make sense, but I love crappy storylines : )
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Post by Corre.222 on Oct 14, 2010 21:19:49 GMT -5
So how the hell could Hogan and Hardy be a part of "THEY" when Abyss originally turned heel on Jeff Hardy and Hulk Hogan? And then Abyss tried to kill Hogan by choking Hogan with the ring? Was that staged in Kayfabe?
Then again, applying logic within anything TNA does is a lesson in futility.
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Post by flatsdomino on Oct 16, 2010 17:46:44 GMT -5
it's not even clear why Hogan and Bischoff are the heels. They're acting the same as they did when they were faces and being cheered. They're actually favoring the same people, pretty much. IF the fans were clamoring for Hogan and Bischoff's arrival, gave them a heroes welcome on January 4th, and hoped for a "Game Changer", why would they suddenly turn on them when they start actually asserting themselves and making changes? Weren't TNA fans carrying signs with Hulk on them that said "CHANGE" underneath? Why are we supposed to boo when the changes come? Are the changes hurting the product? No, the swerve/potential storyline is one that's making the show more exciting. Are they supporting people we hate? No, they're backing Jeff Hardy, who everyone loved until Hogan, who everyone also loved, backed him and revealed he's taking over the company...a company which Dixie pretty much handed over to him TEN MONTHS AGO. Hell, if TNA was so broken before that they needed a "Savior", shouldn't we hate DIXIE for keeping the status quo and NOT wanting to give the fans what they were calling for? This story would make WAAAY more sense if Hogan and Bischoff were heels when they first arrived - right now it's just one of those turns where they randomly switched allegiances, and we're supposed to boo them without much reason to boo them.
It's been presented poorly, and in that one segment Dixie came across as the whiny obnoxious heel, whereas Hogan came across as the face trying to change things. Bischoff and Jarrett came across as heels, but only because of thier treatment of RVD and Angle, which does not a company-destroying authority figure make.
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