Bang Bang Bart
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 24, 2010 17:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 24, 2010 22:14:33 GMT -5
I still don't get the hate for Cop-Out. it wasn't a great movie, but it wasn't the film equivalent of cancer either.
I liked a couple other movies on his hate list, but mostly agree with it and his criticisms are perfectly valid.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 24, 2010 22:38:17 GMT -5
If only he did analysis on wrestling like he does to these movies I'd find his Wrestle! Wrestle! segments more enjoyable.
Seriously though, he did a good job on both videos.
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Post by invaderdave on Dec 24, 2010 22:54:27 GMT -5
I'm honestly pretty surprised he put Scott Pilgrim so high on his list. I was glad that he enjoyed it, but I didn't know he liked it that much.
I also assumed he wouldn't go for the easy target of Twilight, but eh, I can feel his pain.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Dec 24, 2010 23:01:27 GMT -5
I'm honestly pretty surprised he put Scott Pilgrim so high on his list. I was glad that he enjoyed it, but I didn't know he liked it that much. He was very glowing in his full review of it last summer. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 24, 2010 23:22:47 GMT -5
Ok, so Book of Eli is one of his worse films because of the ending and because he couldn't see any of the signs hinting to the ending's twist.
Actually, kinda can't blame him. First time through the film it doesn't make sense, but watching it a second time, knowing the twist, I was actually able to see ALL of the signs, most of them at the very beginning of the film, that pointed towards the big twist at the end.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 24, 2010 23:36:04 GMT -5
Also, I completely disagree with him on A-Team, mainly because his hatred for A-Team stems from his hatred of the tv show, much like how his hatred for Deadliest Warrior the show bled into his opinion of Deadliest Warrior: The Game, and Tron: Legacy, mainly because of two reasons:
1) He's insulting his own fanbase, again, by saying that if you liked the film you are easily amused and have low standards.
2) He was expecting the story to be some kind of visual social commentary of how social networking and technology has evolved between the time of the first film and this film, instead of the generic action story that the film had, when he should've known damn well that he wasn't going to get that visual social commentary that he wanted because the first Tron was a freaking generic action story.
Plus I find it kind of insulting that he implies that a film has to have a good story to be good. I love both Tron: Legacy and Avatar, and I will NOT defend their stories. Their stories are generic and crap. Why I love these two films is because they have amazing soundtracks and push the boundaries of film visual effects and technology, and seeing how film is a visual medium, that's an important thing.
tl;dr: He's wrong that a film can only be good if it has a good story, great visuals and amazing music can overcome a crap story and make a film good/great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 23:37:28 GMT -5
Ok, so Book of Eli is one of his worse films because of the ending and because he couldn't see any of the signs hinting to the ending's twist. Actually, kinda can't blame him. First time through the film it doesn't make sense, but watching it a second time, knowing the twist, I was actually able to see ALL of the signs, most of them at the very beginning of the film, that pointed towards the big twist at the end. Even with or without the basis of the twist, it's still one of the more entertaining movies of the year (in my eyes). |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 24, 2010 23:40:22 GMT -5
Ok, so Book of Eli is one of his worse films because of the ending and because he couldn't see any of the signs hinting to the ending's twist. Actually, kinda can't blame him. First time through the film it doesn't make sense, but watching it a second time, knowing the twist, I was actually able to see ALL of the signs, most of them at the very beginning of the film, that pointed towards the big twist at the end. Even with or without the basis of the twist, it's still one of the more entertaining movies of the year (in my eyes). Same. Hell, until they make an official Fallout film, I think this is the closest we'll get to a Fallout film. |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 25, 2010 0:02:54 GMT -5
/\ glad to see I'm not the only one who thought so
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Post by Ian Austin on Dec 25, 2010 4:16:03 GMT -5
I still don't get the hate for Cop-Out. it wasn't a great movie, but it wasn't the film equivalent of cancer either. I liked a couple other movies on his hate list, but mostly agree with it and his criticisms are perfectly valid. Not trying to speak for Spoony, but I hated Cop Out because it was Kevin Smith's chance to break out... and he blew it for two simple reasons. 1) It wasn't as funny as his stuff. 2) It wasn't as action-packed as your average cop-comedy. He failed to make it unique enough to stand out. It didn't work for me as a fan of everything before Clerks II, or as a guy who enjoys buddy-cop films. |
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Post by Fang on Dec 25, 2010 6:09:51 GMT -5
Also, I completely disagree with him on A-Team, mainly because his hatred for A-Team stems from his hatred of the tv show, much like how his hatred for Deadliest Warrior the show bled into his opinion of Deadliest Warrior: The Game, and Tron: Legacy, mainly because of two reasons: 1) He's insulting his own fanbase, again, by saying that if you liked the film you are easily amused and have low standards. Just because he has a fanbase it doesn't mean he has to cater to their terrible taste in movies. He's wrong that a film can only be good if it has a good story, great visuals and amazing music can overcome a crap story and make a film good/great. ...Yeaaaah. You just proved his point. Pick a movie that you think is horrible and god awful. Now throw in some cool effects and music. You are going to tell me that you would suddenly enjoy it because it's flashy? |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 25, 2010 7:35:18 GMT -5
Also, I completely disagree with him on A-Team, mainly because his hatred for A-Team stems from his hatred of the tv show, much like how his hatred for Deadliest Warrior the show bled into his opinion of Deadliest Warrior: The Game, and Tron: Legacy, mainly because of two reasons: 1) He's insulting his own fanbase, again, by saying that if you liked the film you are easily amused and have low standards. Just because he has a fanbase it doesn't mean he has to cater to their terrible taste in movies. He's wrong that a film can only be good if it has a good story, great visuals and amazing music can overcome a crap story and make a film good/great. ...Yeaaaah. You just proved his point. Pick a movie that you think is horrible and god awful. Now throw in some cool effects and music. You are going to tell me that you would suddenly enjoy it because it's flashy? Dude, if a film ONLY needed a good story to be good, then they wouldn't be movies. They'd be, oh, I dunno, A BOOK. A film, at least a modern film, has 4 main components: 1) Visuals(This includes effects, costuming, cinematography, and camera angles) 2) Story 3) Music 4) Acting According to Spoony, the only thing a film needs to be good is #2. Which is not true. There are a lot, and I mean a LOT of films with bad, baaaaaaaaaaaaaad stories, but are great because of any combination of the other 3. Same could be said for any of the other 3. A film could have horrible visuals, but still be good because the story, acting, and music are good, or the soundtrack could suck and the visuals, story, and acting are good, or a film could have laughably bad acting and could still be enjoyable because the visuals, story, and music are good. As I already said, I like Tron: Legacy and Avatar, both completely and utterly fail at #2, Avatar is passable at #4(though Zoe Saldana should've seriously at least been nominated for her performance, the only reason she wasn't was because her character was mostly CGI, if she was literally just painted blue and had prosthetics attached, she would've at least been nominated, but the Academy balked at the idea of their members potentially losing to something made up on a computer) and Tron was pretty good at #4, but they both blow away easily 90% of other films with their #1 and have excellent examples of #3. So what I'm saying is, a film does not need a good story to be good. That's like saying a video game needs a good story to be good. |
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Post by bob on Dec 25, 2010 8:37:43 GMT -5
I was a little surprised Saw 3d didn't make either list, as he didn't mention that he didn't see it and most people I know who saw it hated it a lot
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 25, 2010 12:20:27 GMT -5
As far as Sci-Fi goes, there are really two types of science fiction. There's speculative fiction and there's swashbuckling in space.
The first is the deep science, it's the kind that makes you think. The second is popcorn stories. Thing is, if you're a fan of the first, the second has to be really unique to be entertaining, because the good speculative fiction does both really well. It throws unique ideas that makes you think while having a gripping and entertaining story.
Sci-fi as a genre has a rich, deep history of having provoking stories. The whole "it's just an action flick, look at the pretty neon" doesn't really work once you delve into that rout. That's part of why I hated Avatar. It's pretty, but the story was so cliche and the writing generic and dull that the completely implausible but pretty biology wasn't enough to make me like it. So I can perfectly see where he was going with it.
It doesn't mean it's not possible. Highlander, for example, didn't really have a greatly written story (although it had a great idea behind it). It did have a great presentation behind it though.
That said, I can't pretend to know the dude well enough to know with apparent preciseness exactly what he finds important or doesn't find important in film just because I saw a few online videos he's done.
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