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Post by kneelbeforezod on Nov 3, 2010 19:58:38 GMT -5
We all know it's just a show, this is a good thing. No need to hurt anyone for entertainment.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 3, 2010 20:00:55 GMT -5
A good move, but if their guys aim for the back and hit the head anyways, they should consider banning chairshots outright.(yes, I know that doesn't happen regularly) Or just ban Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 3, 2010 20:02:57 GMT -5
I've brought it up a million times on the subject, but if the guys know what they're doing, and are planning to do the headshot, and the guy knows how to swing it properly and the guy knows how to take it, then it should be fine.
I read the interview, and I disagree with Anderson's assessment of accidents happen. I understand freak accidents happen, but this really could have been prevented, and I'm really disappointed in Jeff for not going out of his way to protect Mr. Anderson. If Jeff swung the chair horizontally instead of vertically, I bet Mr. Anderson wouldn't have been hurt.
I've brought up Raven and Dreamer, and their match, where they had two unprotected chair shots, one on the floor (if I remember correctly) and one at the finish. Nothing came out about Dreamer getting severely injured, like other concussions, and Dreamer showed no signs of any concussions, so it can be believed that Raven knew how to throw a chair where he wouldn't hurt Dreamer, and Dreamer knew how to take it. It goes back to how bad the business has gotten it seems, that professional wrestlers aren't being professional at all. They're being careless, and what Jeff Hardy did was careless.
It sucks that it had to come from an injury, I don't remember ROH and WWE banning them because of a specific injury.
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Post by kneelbeforezod on Nov 3, 2010 20:06:52 GMT -5
I've brought it up a million times on the subject, but if the guys know what they're doing, and are planning to do the headshot, and the guy knows how to swing it properly and the guy knows how to take it, then it should be fine. I read the interview, and I disagree with Anderson's assessment of accidents happen. I understand freak accidents happen, but this really could have been prevented, and I'm really disappointed in Jeff for not going out of his way to protect Mr. Anderson. If Jeff swung the chair horizontally instead of vertically, I bet Mr. Anderson wouldn't have been hurt. I've brought up Raven and Dreamer, and their match, where they had two unprotected chair shots, one on the floor (if I remember correctly) and one at the finish. Nothing came out about Dreamer getting severely injured, like other concussions, and Dreamer showed no signs of any concussions, so it can be believed that Raven knew how to throw a chair where he wouldn't hurt Dreamer, and Dreamer knew how to take it. It goes back to how bad the business has gotten it seems, that professional wrestlers aren't being professional at all. They're being careless, and what Jeff Hardy did was careless. It sucks that it had to come from an injury, I don't remember ROH and WWE banning them because of a specific injury. I don't believe that you can hit someone in the head without causing some kind of trauma. This "Know how to hit, and know how to take it" Doesn't make sense. Unless it doesn't connect.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 3, 2010 20:09:04 GMT -5
Well done to TNA. I hate chairshots to the head anyway.
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Post by seamonsters on Nov 3, 2010 20:13:36 GMT -5
I've brought it up a million times on the subject, but if the guys know what they're doing, and are planning to do the headshot, and the guy knows how to swing it properly and the guy knows how to take it, then it should be fine. I read the interview, and I disagree with Anderson's assessment of accidents happen. I understand freak accidents happen, but this really could have been prevented, and I'm really disappointed in Jeff for not going out of his way to protect Mr. Anderson. If Jeff swung the chair horizontally instead of vertically, I bet Mr. Anderson wouldn't have been hurt. I've brought up Raven and Dreamer, and their match, where they had two unprotected chair shots, one on the floor (if I remember correctly) and one at the finish. Nothing came out about Dreamer getting severely injured, like other concussions, and Dreamer showed no signs of any concussions, so it can be believed that Raven knew how to throw a chair where he wouldn't hurt Dreamer, and Dreamer knew how to take it. It goes back to how bad the business has gotten it seems, that professional wrestlers aren't being professional at all. They're being careless, and what Jeff Hardy did was careless. It sucks that it had to come from an injury, I don't remember ROH and WWE banning them because of a specific injury. WWE and ROH most likely banned them because of the reports that have some from Nowinski's Sports Institue (from multiple head injuries and concussions), and the information received from Chris Benoit's post-mortem, where the unprotected headshots that he'd taken throughout his career were the likely cause of why a lot of his brain was turned to mush (the same way that alzheimer's turns your brain to mush), in the area of the brain that is known to cause personality changes when it is damaged (lookup Phineas Gage if you're that interested). There is *no* way to take an unprotected headshot. The skull isn't a thick bone, and isn't designed to have a metal chair swung with force at it. Just because you don't show signs of a concussion doesn't mean that you haven't bruised your brain (which is what a concussion is).
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Nov 3, 2010 20:24:00 GMT -5
Two positive moves in the last week for TNA with this and the Anti-Bullying campaign.
Regardless of my or anybody else's opinions of the product, I can't see anybody seeing this as anything but a positive thing. This will hopefully be setting the standard for them cleaning up their image and becoming more respectable and respected.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 3, 2010 20:40:47 GMT -5
Since it was brought up in two comments, yes, it can. If you pull it at the right time, and the guy bumps at the right time, then it's done right, at least this is what I listened to, and again, maybe I'm going too much on what wrestlers are saying, but I'm pretty sure with the types of matches they usually wrestle in, Raven and Tommy Dreamer don't just waffle each other with chairs willy nilly. So, a lot of practice can be gotten, and you can make it safe.
That's what it seems you're supposed to do in wrestling. A lot of guys don't know how to throw a working punch. They don't know how to pull it, and still make it look good, but that comes with training and experience. And that's one reason why I was disappointed in Jeff, because he should know this, and after listening to what Lance Cade said about the day of his injury, which started his downward spiral into addiction, is that it could have been prevented. What happened with Mr. Anderson could have been prevented.
You say, the skull is not strong enough to protect you from a metal chair being swung at force. That's why you work it, you pull it, you have the guy bump at the right time, so it barely touches him, or it doesn't touch him at all. If you go and all out level the guy, you're a retard, and that guy's a retard for wanting to take it, and yeah, they shouldn't be doing it. But, if guys are professionals, they can do it. You don't have it done by idiots, you have it done by professionals and people who you can trust in that position. You take precautions. If it can't be done without hurting the guy, it shouldn't be done.
And yes, I know about Phineas Gage, I learned about him in psychology class in university when I went to university. It's good that ROH and WWE took notice, but it sucks TNA fell behind.
Banning chairshots puts a patch on a sinking ship. It's not chairshots that are the problem. It's carelessness. Ok, you get rid of chairshots? What about the other moves, many of which could injure people? The root problem isn't being addressed. That's why I hate when politicians and media people talk about steroids in wrestling. The problem is drugs in general, not just steroids. They're just thinking about one topic, and not looking at the whole issue, and that's my issue with chairshot bans, as it's not the root of the problem.
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Post by wcw on Nov 3, 2010 20:50:38 GMT -5
Its not the 90's anymore its about time they banned this. So better late then never.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Nov 3, 2010 20:54:21 GMT -5
I'm glad TNA did this. I think it's more the result of all the concussion research, and then a combination of Anderson, Wolfe, Daffney, and most likely others having issues from concussions.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 3, 2010 21:03:43 GMT -5
Good on TNA for finally banning this completely unnecessary and dangerous practice in their promotion.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Nov 3, 2010 21:28:34 GMT -5
Since it was brought up in two comments, yes, it can. If you pull it at the right time, and the guy bumps at the right time, then it's done right, at least this is what I listened to, and again, maybe I'm going too much on what wrestlers are saying, but I'm pretty sure with the types of matches they usually wrestle in, Raven and Tommy Dreamer don't just waffle each other with chairs willy nilly. So, a lot of practice can be gotten, and you can make it safe. That's what it seems you're supposed to do in wrestling. A lot of guys don't know how to throw a working punch. They don't know how to pull it, and still make it look good, but that comes with training and experience. And that's one reason why I was disappointed in Jeff, because he should know this, and after listening to what Lance Cade said about the day of his injury, which started his downward spiral into addiction, is that it could have been prevented. What happened with Mr. Anderson could have been prevented. You say, the skull is not strong enough to protect you from a metal chair being swung at force. That's why you work it, you pull it, you have the guy bump at the right time, so it barely touches him, or it doesn't touch him at all. If you go and all out level the guy, you're a retard, and that guy's a retard for wanting to take it, and yeah, they shouldn't be doing it. But, if guys are professionals, they can do it. You don't have it done by idiots, you have it done by professionals and people who you can trust in that position. You take precautions. If it can't be done without hurting the guy, it shouldn't be done. And yes, I know about Phineas Gage, I learned about him in psychology class in university when I went to university. It's good that ROH and WWE took notice, but it sucks TNA fell behind. Banning chairshots puts a patch on a sinking ship. It's not chairshots that are the problem. It's carelessness. Ok, you get rid of chairshots? What about the other moves, many of which could injure people? The root problem isn't being addressed. That's why I hate when politicians and media people talk about steroids in wrestling. The problem is drugs in general, not just steroids. They're just thinking about one topic, and not looking at the whole issue, and that's my issue with chairshot bans, as it's not the root of the problem. You are not banning all chairshots, just unprotected ones to the head. You can still do a chairshot. It is just if it is to the head, you better be protected like a guy putting his hand over his head.
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Post by Raul on Nov 3, 2010 21:37:14 GMT -5
Thank god.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 21:40:06 GMT -5
I think that chairshots are an antiquated method of cheating anyways. Wouldn't it be more plausible to use something easier to hide like brass knucks, or the infamous lead pipe, where not only is it believable but it doesn't insult the intelligence of everyone watching when the ref is distracted yet there is a loud crack and a guy and chair lying in the ring.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 3, 2010 21:40:18 GMT -5
It is about damn time.
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Post by yapappi4life on Nov 3, 2010 21:48:09 GMT -5
But they don't ban Abyss' 2X4 with nails!
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 3, 2010 21:54:47 GMT -5
Since it was brought up in two comments, yes, it can. If you pull it at the right time, and the guy bumps at the right time, then it's done right, at least this is what I listened to, and again, maybe I'm going too much on what wrestlers are saying, but I'm pretty sure with the types of matches they usually wrestle in, Raven and Tommy Dreamer don't just waffle each other with chairs willy nilly. So, a lot of practice can be gotten, and you can make it safe. That's what it seems you're supposed to do in wrestling. A lot of guys don't know how to throw a working punch. They don't know how to pull it, and still make it look good, but that comes with training and experience. And that's one reason why I was disappointed in Jeff, because he should know this, and after listening to what Lance Cade said about the day of his injury, which started his downward spiral into addiction, is that it could have been prevented. What happened with Mr. Anderson could have been prevented. You say, the skull is not strong enough to protect you from a metal chair being swung at force. That's why you work it, you pull it, you have the guy bump at the right time, so it barely touches him, or it doesn't touch him at all. If you go and all out level the guy, you're a retard, and that guy's a retard for wanting to take it, and yeah, they shouldn't be doing it. But, if guys are professionals, they can do it. You don't have it done by idiots, you have it done by professionals and people who you can trust in that position. You take precautions. If it can't be done without hurting the guy, it shouldn't be done. And yes, I know about Phineas Gage, I learned about him in psychology class in university when I went to university. It's good that ROH and WWE took notice, but it sucks TNA fell behind. Banning chairshots puts a patch on a sinking ship. It's not chairshots that are the problem. It's carelessness. Ok, you get rid of chairshots? What about the other moves, many of which could injure people? The root problem isn't being addressed. That's why I hate when politicians and media people talk about steroids in wrestling. The problem is drugs in general, not just steroids. They're just thinking about one topic, and not looking at the whole issue, and that's my issue with chairshot bans, as it's not the root of the problem. Why just ban it? Because even if your well trained to swing a chair right. You still can mess it up. Jeff Hardy who is a verteran in wrestling standard couldn't do it. So yeah I say ban it and be done with it. Instead of training everyone on the roster to perfect a head chair shot. All it means in whoever takes a chair shot takes it in the back or put there hands up. The fact is if you do it the way you explained it. It will look bad because one. if you don't hit that means no sound of the chair.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 3, 2010 22:04:47 GMT -5
Now to ban Jeff Hardy from using chairs period.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 3, 2010 22:22:17 GMT -5
Good for them. Gotta give props where they're deserved.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Nov 3, 2010 22:52:20 GMT -5
Now to ban Jeff Hardy from using chairs period. That could have been ANYBODY making that mistake. Sure it's Jeff Hardy here, but I've seen the "wrong way" of doing chair shots and that's almost worse. It sucks what happened to Anderson though, that looked sick!
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