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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Nov 1, 2010 16:13:32 GMT -5
Big props to TNA for this. Whether playing a face or a heel character, a lot of young kids idolize wrestlers and simply knowing that someone you have great respect for is either on your side, or even suffered the same way you are suffering right now, and came through it to become successful is a huge psychological boost. If just ONE life can be saved, or made better/more tolerable by this action, then it is so worth it.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 1, 2010 16:59:11 GMT -5
It's kinda hypocritical to be anti-bullying while 1 of your main characters attacks "fans" for s***s & giggles. If people can't understand the difference between real bullying and a pretend monster "attacking" obviously paid members of TNA, then they need to find something a bit less challenging. You know, I don't like a lot of TNA's storylines and practices, but this is an actual GOOD thing that they are doing, and some of you are still s***ting on it. If you were actually debating the issue is one thing, but "hurr hurr TNA will mess it up hurr" is immature and makes those of us who don't bash every little thing TNA does look bad. Maybe it's time to enforce that sticky thread at the top of this section...the one nobody seems to read. I'm not shitting on anything. It's good that they're doing this, but that shouldn't stop a person from calling them on a problem they see. Say TNA gains a new viewer because of the Anti-Bullying Campaign. They might not know the ins and outs of wrestling. I'd assume the target demographic for this campaign will be teens & kids. Teenagers aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Hell, most college kids aren't either. There's a reason shows like Jackass put up a warning with a skull & crossbones; to prevent themselves from being liable when idiots try this shit at home. Not difficult to see how one could get caught up in the atmosphere of the show and lose track of what's scripted or not, especially if it looks real. There's a real possibility that one could see Abyss doing this to people, not being punished for it, and could get the wrong message. TNA has a wrestler that goes around stuffing people in caskets, going after fans, branding people, assaulting women, holding people against their will, and attacking people with a deadly weapon. All of this happens with the ringing endorsement of the people in power. Abyss is 6'8" 300+ pounds and hurts people just for the hell of it and because he can, due to his size. Textbook bully. Textbook bully that management loves and won't do anything to punish him. Is it really difficult to see why some youngsters could get the wrong message?
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Nov 1, 2010 17:14:50 GMT -5
If people can't understand the difference between real bullying and a pretend monster "attacking" obviously paid members of TNA, then they need to find something a bit less challenging. You know, I don't like a lot of TNA's storylines and practices, but this is an actual GOOD thing that they are doing, and some of you are still s***ting on it. If you were actually debating the issue is one thing, but "hurr hurr TNA will mess it up hurr" is immature and makes those of us who don't bash every little thing TNA does look bad. Maybe it's time to enforce that sticky thread at the top of this section...the one nobody seems to read. I'm not s***ting on anything. It's good that they're doing this, but that shouldn't stop a person from calling them on a problem they see. Say TNA gains a new viewer because of the Anti-Bullying Campaign. They might not know the ins and outs of wrestling. I'd assume the target demographic for this campaign will be teens & kids. Teenagers aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Hell, most college kids aren't either. There's a reason shows like Jackass put up a warning with a skull & crossbones; to prevent themselves from being liable when idiots try this s*** at home. Not difficult to see how one could get caught up in the atmosphere of the show and lose track of what's scripted or not, especially if it looks real. There's a real possibility that one could see Abyss doing this to people, not being punished for it, and could get the wrong message. TNA has a wrestler that goes around stuffing people in caskets, going after fans, branding people, assaulting women, holding people against their will, and attacking people with a deadly weapon. All of this happens with the ringing endorsement of the people in power. Abyss is 6'8" 300+ pounds and hurts people just for the hell of it and because he can, due to his size. Textbook bully. Textbook bully that management loves and won't do anything to punish him. Is it really difficult to see why some youngsters could get the wrong message? How is this even an issue? Abyss is a heel, and not a "cool" heel. He's a monster and it's obvious that he's not a role model. He's not the vehicle to drive the fans, he's the obstacle to piss them off. Any youngster who takes his character seriously and get the wrong message from him has deeper issues that can't be solved by a company sending out psa's and probably shouldn't be watching wrestling, let alone tv unsupervised.
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Post by pink on Nov 1, 2010 17:22:47 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that something like this is only recently getting attention, but I think it's a step in the good direction for TNA, so props to them.
And on the whole Abyss thing, I agree to an extent. But here's the thing, if you have a face that comes out an stops Abyss from "bullying" an audience member, it'll show that it takes one person to stop a bully, and that's a good message to send. But right now, you have a large group of people behind Abyss' violent ways, and the only people who'll oppose it are being beaten down by Abyss' friends, which sends the message that you CAN bully someone as long as their are other bullies to back you up. But that's one thing TNA can change and it's nice that they've taken this initiative.
And IMO, it would be much worse if WWE did this. Sure TNA has Abyss, but WWE has Nexus, Laycool, Michael Cole, and Miz who are all bullies and that's even more hypocritical than what TNA does.
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Post by bowman on Nov 1, 2010 17:51:14 GMT -5
The inability to separate fantasy from reality in this thread is astounding. This is no different then celebrities doing PSA's. This is no different then the guy that ripped a man's arms off and tossed them back at him, shouting "see you at the party, Richter!!"running the state of California. This isn't something that should be clarified any further. Are we that jaded that we can't appreciate something as beneficial as this?
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Post by frankincleveland on Nov 1, 2010 17:52:41 GMT -5
Here's Matt Morgan standing up to bullies. {Spoiler}
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Post by Brian Suntan on Nov 1, 2010 18:09:40 GMT -5
TNA creatively might not be very good, but their heart is in the right place. What they do for their fans is excellent, and this is a great thing to get behind.
The Abyss thing is so stupid it doesn't deserve a response. Suprised intelligent posters are using this against them.
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Post by dpg on Nov 1, 2010 18:14:45 GMT -5
Good idea by TNA, don't see what Abyss has got to do with it though. Abyss is shown as a heel for what he does, not praised for it. If anyone see's what Abyss does as being maybe something to copy, then they've already got enough problems to deal with.
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Post by "The Rated XXX Superstar" Jed on Nov 1, 2010 18:32:13 GMT -5
As a kid who was bullied in middle & high school to the point of attempting suicide, I strongly endorse this. I applaud you, TNA.
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Post by Big L on Nov 1, 2010 19:08:39 GMT -5
That's nice of them
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Nov 1, 2010 19:25:37 GMT -5
I assumed this was a stand up for TNA type thing. "Stop bullying us, internet! Now look at my Twitter - Dixie Carter" Hehehehe. That sounded rude even to me.
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Post by Paul on Nov 1, 2010 19:46:54 GMT -5
This is a useless goodwill PR tactic and nothing more. Bullying has and will continue to go on. Kids won't stop bullying each other because wrestlers on a C-level wrestling show tell them to. This is just a bunch of feel-good crapola that acomplishes nothing.
And yes, I'd be saying the same thing if the WWE was doing it.
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Post by wcw on Nov 2, 2010 0:36:56 GMT -5
Good cause for TNA to help out. No kid should die because of bullying while most kids get over the bullying its a hard feeling to swallow and could leave horrible memories and feelings and not every kid gets over it and it could lead to terrible things like suicide.
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Post by xxx4lyfe on Nov 2, 2010 3:05:16 GMT -5
I've been bullied before (not physically, but people have tried saying shit about me, what not) and I just chuckle at it. If someone doesn't have the cahoneys to suck it up, deck them, or just laugh it off and flick them off, so be it.
But to literally try and be like it seems everyone else nowadays (because you know, if those suicides didn't happen... nobody would be doing nothing, no "rallying"), and to literally try and... hah, stop bullying? Yeah, we haven't seen that before, and failed.
Bullying will always be around, and yes, it's a good, sweet sentiment that TNA is doing. It won't work. It will fail. I will laugh at their feeble attempts, but it should involve some good entertainment.
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Post by Paul on Nov 2, 2010 4:30:19 GMT -5
"I was going to beat the crap out of you and steal your money, but my favorite TNA wrestler told me not to, so let's go hang out together!".
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Nov 2, 2010 5:00:32 GMT -5
Regardless of whether TNA's attempts to stamp out bullying succeed or fail, the fact that they are acknowledging the problem is good thing. If you are being or have been bullied, the actual physical and mental anguish caused by the bullying itself is only a part of the problem.
The belief that you are on your own, that no one understands or that you in some way deserve this treatment is harrowing and painful. As I said in my earlier post, the fact that TNA wrestlers are prepared to stand up and speak about their own experiences of bullying, and also show that you CAN AND WILL get through it, is a huge psychological boost to a young victim.
I doubt even TNA believe that this problem will ever fully go away (and in truth I don't believe it will). But the fact that a company such as they are at least willing to lend their support to a program to TRY and do something about it, is admirable (regardless of their motives for doing so).
If a child who is being bullied finds out that a professional wrestler (debatably the nearest thing we have to real life superheroes outside of comic books and movies) went through the same problems that they are having and overcame them, then regardless of cynicism and sniping, that has to be a positive thing.
Tentative, slowly taken baby steps are still better than no steps at all.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 2, 2010 10:00:18 GMT -5
I was already bullied to the point i wanted to kill,but not myself,and it almost happened,yes i had alot of issues as a kid.So i approve this TNA,it gained alot of points with me with this campaign.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker for PM on Nov 2, 2010 13:57:26 GMT -5
Bullying isn't just about the tormentors and the victims, it's also about the people who are unwilling or unable to intervene for fear of their own safety. Anti-racist campaigns are not so much about changing racist peoples opinions or even to make the victims feel better, it is about encouraging people to speak up when confronted with racism and taking the power away from the racists. This will be the same.
I've encountered bullying from the first day I went to school to the last day of my previous job. People are naive to think it's only kids who are guilty of this or that many otherwise decent people don't get involved because they feel they can't do anything to help. I've experienced the 'burying my head in the sand' approach and being so infuriated by it that I've eventually done something about it. The latter is more difficult than the former, but no prizes for guessing what nights where I slept a lot better.
A worthy cause. Good for TNA.
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Post by JMA on Nov 2, 2010 15:10:49 GMT -5
I've been bullied before (not physically, but people have tried saying s*** about me, what not) and I just chuckle at it. If someone doesn't have the cahoneys to suck it up, deck them, or just laugh it off and flick them off, so be it. But to literally try and be like it seems everyone else nowadays (because you know, if those suicides didn't happen... nobody would be doing nothing, no "rallying"), and to literally try and... hah, stop bullying? Yeah, we haven't seen that before, and failed. Bullying will always be around, and yes, it's a good, sweet sentiment that TNA is doing. It won't work. It will fail. I will laugh at their feeble attempts, but it should involve some good entertainment. Cool story, bro.
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Post by Paul on Nov 2, 2010 15:16:01 GMT -5
Any parent who lets their child derive their moral values from a wrestling show (any wrestling show) is a lazy, careless idiot.
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