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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 20, 2010 21:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 20, 2010 21:53:51 GMT -5
I didnt know Dwayne Wade could get fouls called AGAINST him..
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 20, 2010 21:59:06 GMT -5
Yeah not a good decision to let Chris Bosh shoot the potential tying 3 especially with Wade, Jones, LeBron, and Miller all playing...
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 20, 2010 22:02:53 GMT -5
Wade with a and you can hit the music 98-96 Mavericks
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Post by Massive G on Dec 20, 2010 22:06:33 GMT -5
that game was awesome. If Heat fans need any consolation, you should realize that your division appears to be very, very winnable.
Orlando looked awful tonight; Gilbert, Richardson and Turkoglu combined to shoot 6/23.
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Post by Jay Carroll on Dec 20, 2010 22:06:59 GMT -5
Tonight Dallas take their talents to South Beach and end Miami's win streak. ;D
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Post by BRV on Dec 20, 2010 22:10:08 GMT -5
Finally, that charade of a winning streak comes to an end.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 20, 2010 22:15:50 GMT -5
Finally, that charade of a winning streak comes to an end. cha·rade [shuh-reyd; especially Brit. shuh-rahd] –noun definition: a blatant pretense or deception. They won 12 straight games by an average of over 15 points. That is incredible. Interestingly, one antonym of charade is "reality". Something to think about.
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Post by DamnYankee on Dec 20, 2010 22:21:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but their opponents during the streak weren't all that impressive. A win against Dallas would have legitimized it, I believe.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 20, 2010 22:27:02 GMT -5
doesn't matter. Blowing teams out is blowing teams out, and a terrific indicator of future success. This is not a recording. The only gauge of a team's actual ceiling is not wins over an arbitrarily selected group of "good teams". This is not a recording.
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Post by MGH on Dec 20, 2010 22:30:31 GMT -5
doesn't matter. Blowing teams out is blowing teams out, and a terrific indicator of future success. This is not a recording. The only gauge of a team's actual ceiling is not wins over an arbitrarily selected group of "good teams". This is not a recording. Seriously. Did I miss the blow out? This was a "charade"? Huge win for Dallas, disappointing loss for Miami. That's about the long and short of it. I guess I just missed the part where Dallas blew their doors off and exposed something.
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Post by DamnYankee on Dec 20, 2010 22:35:38 GMT -5
Blowing out teams is a good indicator, but winning close games against the elite teams is what matters. They will get better though.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 20, 2010 22:36:43 GMT -5
doesn't matter. Blowing teams out is blowing teams out, and a terrific indicator of future success. This is not a recording. The only gauge of a team's actual ceiling is not wins over an arbitrarily selected group of "good teams". This is not a recording. Seriously. Did I miss the blow out? This was a "charade"? Huge win for Dallas, disappointing loss for Miami. That's about the long and short of it. I guess I just missed the part where Dallas blew their doors off and exposed something. you misunderstand me. I was referring to a previous post, wherein someone called the Heat's 12 game winning streak a "charade". Someone else claimed that many of those wins were against "not good teams". I was just explaining to him that blowing out teams, as the Heat had been doing during their recent winning streak, is a good predictor of playoff success. Obviously tonight's game wasn't a blowout, that's not what I was saying. Believe me, I've been the guy in here from day one saying "the Heat are going to be awesome, and here's why". I have refuted claim after claim after claim that they are "overrated". I think you just kinda read what I said out of context.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 20, 2010 22:37:35 GMT -5
Every team has to lose sometime. Miami's a great team, but the streak had to end eventually. And Dallas is a good team. It's not like they jobbed to the Nets or 76ers.
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Post by MGH on Dec 20, 2010 22:38:34 GMT -5
Seriously. Did I miss the blow out? This was a "charade"? Huge win for Dallas, disappointing loss for Miami. That's about the long and short of it. I guess I just missed the part where Dallas blew their doors off and exposed something. you misunderstand me. I was referring to a previous post, wherein someone called the Heat's 12 game winning streak a "charade". Someone else claimed that many of those wins were against "not good teams". I was just explaining to him that blowing out teams, as the Heat had been doing during their recent winning streak, is a good predictor of playoff success. Obviously tonight's game wasn't a blowout, that's not what I was saying. Believe me, I've been the guy in here from day one saying "the Heat are going to be awesome, and here's why". I have refuted claim after claim after claim that they are "overrated". I think you just kinda read what I said out of context. I was referring to the same post you were and agreeing with you, actually. Quoted out of context for poor results
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Post by DamnYankee on Dec 20, 2010 22:43:18 GMT -5
Seriously. Did I miss the blow out? This was a "charade"? Huge win for Dallas, disappointing loss for Miami. That's about the long and short of it. I guess I just missed the part where Dallas blew their doors off and exposed something. you misunderstand me. I was referring to a previous post, wherein someone called the Heat's 12 game winning streak a "charade". Someone else claimed that many of those wins were against "not good teams". I was just explaining to him that blowing out teams, as the Heat had been doing during their recent winning streak, is a good predictor of playoff success. Obviously tonight's game wasn't a blowout, that's not what I was saying. Believe me, I've been the guy in here from day one sa :-Xying "the Heat are going to be awesome, and here's why". I have refuted claim after claim after claim that they are "overrated". I think you just kinda read what I said out of context. So blowing out mediocre teams that probably wont make the playoffs is a good indicator of playoff success? I think playoff success is determined by winning games against teams like Boston and Dallas. Otherwise, they'll suffer a second round exit.
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 20, 2010 22:58:25 GMT -5
Spurs continue the streak getting it to 24-3 against Phoenix, but I'm sure the media will continue to talk about...everything except the Spurs. *Sigh*.
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Post by BRV on Dec 20, 2010 22:59:27 GMT -5
doesn't matter. Blowing teams out is blowing teams out, and a terrific indicator of future success. This is not a recording. The only gauge of a team's actual ceiling is not wins over an arbitrarily selected group of "good teams". This is not a recording. I understand that there are statistics out there to disprove what I'm saying, but I'm using the visual test. What I see is the following: Miami's record against legitimate championship contenders (Boston, Orlando, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Oklahoma City, San Antonio): 1-5 Miami's winning streak came against teams with a combined winning percentage of roughly .400. Over the course of the twelve-game streak, they played only four games against opponents with records over .500. I understand that the good teams should beat up on the bad teams, but a 12-game winning streak against the dregs of the league should not a season make. Also, and most importantly, they still haven't rectified the problems that have been facing them since they broke camp in the summer. They have no post presence on either end of the court, their point guard position still leaves a lot to be desired, and they struggle mightily in the crunch. They are 1-5 in games decided by five points or less, and had the Washington Wizards not reenacted the Hindenburg disaster on Saturday night, they would be 0-6 in those situations. I'm not saying Miami's not a legitimate team. They were a legitimate team from the moment LeBron James said that he was taking his talents to South Beach. What I'm saying is that I don't think they are a championship team. In the playoffs, the game slows down and morphs into a half-court game, and the teams that best adjust to that are the ones who win. Miami has yet to prove that they can do that against the best the league has to offer. I'd still take Boston, Chicago or Orlando over Miami to represent the East in the NBA Finals.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 20, 2010 23:02:29 GMT -5
you misunderstand me. I was referring to a previous post, wherein someone called the Heat's 12 game winning streak a "charade". Someone else claimed that many of those wins were against "not good teams". I was just explaining to him that blowing out teams, as the Heat had been doing during their recent winning streak, is a good predictor of playoff success. Obviously tonight's game wasn't a blowout, that's not what I was saying. Believe me, I've been the guy in here from day one sa :-Xying "the Heat are going to be awesome, and here's why". I have refuted claim after claim after claim that they are "overrated". I think you just kinda read what I said out of context. So blowing out mediocre teams that probably wont make the playoffs is a good indicator of playoff success? I think playoff success is determined by winning games against teams like Boston and Dallas. Otherwise, they'll suffer a second round exit. sigh. once again, via Neil Paine, of Basketball-reference.com: In the NBA, dominating good teams is clearly the best indicator of postseason success. Teams that had more regular-season dominations (big wins over good teams) won 64.8% of their "final four" series, including 73.3% of their Finals matchups. But the second-most predictive attribute of "final four" success was having more stomps -- that is, destroying the league's weaker teams. And having more stomps was actually a better indicator of success than having more guts (close wins against good teams), just like Schatz found in football.In other words, it looks like this criticism of Miami has no basis in reality.
I don't just pull this stuff out of my ass, people. It's a conclusion drawn from statistical analysis. here's the whole article, read it if you like: www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8159There are 4 teams with point differentials of +8.0 or greater. Would you like to hear them? 1. Boston Celtics (+9.6) 2. Miami Heat (+9.4) 3. San Antonio Spurs (+9.2) 4. Los Angeles Lakers (+8.5) What's the one thing those four teams have in common? Most notably, that they are all awesome. (Dallas is 5th, BTW, at +5.9, and they are also awesome). There is a stat called "efficiency differential". It subtracts how many points a team allows per 100 possessions (done to normalize pace of play) from the amount of points a team scores per 100 possessions. Basically, its the same idea as point differential, but a more precise measure of how efficient a team is on both sides of the ball. Here is the top 5 in the NBA right now: 1. Miami Heat (11.9) 2. Boston Celtics (10.9) 3. San Antonio Spurs (10.6) 4. Los Angeles Lakers (7.6) 5. Dallas Mavericks (7.3) See a pattern? Surprise! You're looking at the 5 best teams in the NBA. The Heat are good; really, really, really good. Are they the best? Maybe not. The point is, people need to stop inventing reasons why they aren't good. Particularly in the face of the overwhelming evidence that exists.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 20, 2010 23:14:00 GMT -5
So blowing out mediocre teams that probably wont make the playoffs is a good indicator of playoff success? I think playoff success is determined by winning games against teams like Boston and Dallas. Otherwise, they'll suffer a second round exit. sigh. once again, via Neil Paine, of Basketball-reference.com: In the NBA, dominating good teams is clearly the best indicator of postseason success. Teams that had more regular-season dominations (big wins over good teams) won 64.8% of their "final four" series, including 73.3% of their Finals matchups. But the second-most predictive attribute of "final four" success was having more stomps -- that is, destroying the league's weaker teams. And having more stomps was actually a better indicator of success than having more guts (close wins against good teams), just like Schatz found in football.In other words, it looks like this criticism of Miami has no basis in reality.
I don't just pull this stuff out of my ass, people. It's a conclusion drawn from statistical analysis. here's the whole article, read it if you like: www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8159There are 4 teams with point differentials of +8.0 or greater. Would you like to hear them? 1. Boston Celtics (+9.6) 2. Miami Heat (+9.4) 3. San Antonio Spurs (+9.2) 4. Los Angeles Lakers (+8.5) What's the one thing those four teams have in common? Most notably, that they are all awesome. (Dallas is 5th, BTW, at +5.9, and they are also awesome). There is a stat called "efficiency differential". It subtracts how many points a team allows per 100 possessions (done to normalize pace of play) from the amount of points a team scores per 100 possessions. Basically, its the same idea as point differential, but a more precise measure of how efficient a team is on both sides of the ball. Here is the top 5 in the NBA right now: 1. Miami Heat (11.9) 2. Boston Celtics (10.9) 3. San Antonio Spurs (10.6) 4. Los Angeles Lakers (7.6) 5. Dallas Mavericks (7.3) See a pattern? Surprise! You're looking at the 5 best teams in the NBA. The Heat are good; really, really, really good. Are they the best? Maybe not. The point is, people need to stop inventing reasons why they aren't good. Particularly in the face of the overwhelming evidence that exists. I'm a stat freak as much as anyone but against the only two teams off that list they have played the Heat's record is 0-4
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