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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 11:18:39 GMT -5
The last 2 you just mentioned. Yes, so many threads about how amazing Punk belching and scratching his ass was can be a bit annoying. Yes sometimes it does almost appear that it is favoritism. I don't see whats so unclear. It seems like Punk will be praised for literally everything he does and Cena will be destroyed for literally everything he does in this feud. I have a feeling there will be a strong bias towards Punk no matter what. Just a feeling. I think the bias is because people like Punk's character and charisma and not so much for Cena. I don't understand why its annoying though? People like Punk better - so he gets more praise. Its a logical progression. I'm missing the disconnect between cause and effect that's resulting in your annoyance?
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Post by The Doctor on Dec 28, 2010 11:21:14 GMT -5
I love Cena. I love Punk. I love this feud.
Feuds where WWE use a 'smark surrogate' like they are here are always great. They turn smarks into marks! Great fun.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 28, 2010 11:28:03 GMT -5
I like John Cena and I like CM Punk. I like poking fun at the whole Last Son of Krypton thing, but more often than not I enjoy Cena's matches and even promos. Punk is also one of my favorite wrestlers. And his establishing himself as the leader of the Nexus essentially makes him Raw's top heel (despite Miz being WWE Champion).
This is a dream feud for me. I'm guessing Cena will triumph, but I don't think it will make it any less entertaining unless it's an absolute squash.
All that said, "CM Sucks" was one of the lamest insults I have ever heard one human being call another.
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Post by Greer on Dec 28, 2010 11:39:13 GMT -5
I don't like either guy more than the other.
I have no problem with differing opinions or you liking another wrestler or what they do.
I'm saying it seems like it will not just be praising Punk (which I have no problem with).
It's not favoritism by simply liking what someone did. It's when you sow favoritism by always burying the other guy no matter what. That's what I have a feeling it will be.
Once again just a feeling.
Example: Orton/Sheamus feud. I might like Orton and the things he does, but I'm not just gonna bury Sheamus and everything he does because I like Orton more.
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Post by S-Chrome on Dec 28, 2010 11:44:13 GMT -5
Let us examine the factors here.
CM Punk = IWC Darling (Moreso than even Daniel Bryan, and that's saying something.) John Cena = Not quite IWC Lucifer, not quite IWC Beelzebub, but somewhere in the middle.
I predict the Cena hate may venture into 2006 levels during the next couple of months. As for me, I'm ambivalent toward Cena and find CM Punk overrated, so y'know, bias and such.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:11:10 GMT -5
I don't like either guy more than the other. I have no problem with differing opinions or you liking another wrestler or what they do. I'm saying it seems like it will not just be praising Punk (which I have no problem with). It's not favoritism by simply liking what someone did. It's when you sow favoritism by always burying the other guy no matter what. That's what I have a feeling it will be. Once again just a feeling. Example: Orton/Sheamus feud. I might like Orton and the things he does, but I'm not just gonna bury Sheamus and everything he does because I like Orton more. I see. Well - the fact that a lot of people don't care for Cena's overly jokey babyface character won't help matters either. I think if we saw a more serious Cena then it wouldn't be as biased. If the punny, corny jokester we see now is all we get with this one, then likely yes - it will be a nation of Cena hate.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 28, 2010 12:19:14 GMT -5
I think another problem is a lot of people see this venturing into Punk vs Hardy 2.0. I wasn't watching wrestling around this period, but from what I gathered Hardy really wasn't a sympathetic face during the feud and Punk was booed even though he was technically right.
I have no real qualms with Cena. Some nights, he can be hilarious when he wants to. I thought his farewell speech where he got the kids to chant "Let's go seen" and all the males to say "Cena Sucks" was hilarious. But then there's stuff like "CM Sucks" and "Y2Cheap" which really makes me cringe.
Oh, and the WWE Champion is taking backseat to another John Cena storyline. It's his spotlight stealing that annoys me the most.
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Post by The Tank on Dec 28, 2010 12:24:12 GMT -5
I think another problem is a lot of people see this venturing into Punk vs Hardy 2.0. I wasn't watching wrestling around this period, but from what I gathered Hardy really wasn't a sympathetic face during the feud and Punk was booed even though he was technically right. I have no real qualms with Cena. Some nights, he can be hilarious when he wants to. I thought his farewell speech where he got the kids to chant "Let's go seen" and all the males to say "Cena Sucks" was hilarious. But then there's stuff like "CM Sucks" and "Y2Cheap" which really makes me cringe. Oh, and the WWE Champion is taking backseat to another John Cena storyline. It's his spotlight stealing that annoys me the most. I'd say people are more worried about this becoming the Straight Edge Society vs. Rey Mysterio. One man taking out a heel faction single-handedly repeatedly with the heel faction barely getting any chances to look halfway competent, let alone good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:25:29 GMT -5
IMO, I think Cena desperately needs to turn heel. Orton has the ability to be the top face right now, he's certainly over enough, so why not run with that?
Cena's acting like a heel and, while it's often the face's prerogative to act the hypocrite, it's getting to the point where it's harder and harder to defend his actions.
Let him turn heel. This is a great time for it; he doesn't have to join Nexus or anything but let him become a lone wolf. The guy was humiliated by Nexus, he's been called out by Punk for going back on his word, some one edgier than he is has the ability to become the top face. Barrett's "Winds of Change" promo applies here: without really changing his character, without truly changing his actions, Cena has become less and less a face.
The guy was almost run out of WWE and few people did anything to help him out. He should be pissed and that anger should mount until he turns into a selfish heel looking out for number 1.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Dec 28, 2010 12:31:11 GMT -5
I would just like to say, no one has been as good at name play or making fun of names as Y2J. See: Angle, Kurt.
CM Sucks, not very creative sir. Nor good on the delivery. Forshame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 12:32:39 GMT -5
I mean, I'm a CM Punk mark, but I'm not going to be seeing the feud in rose-colored glasses.
However, the problem is twinfold... er, thricefold:
1. The first issue is Cena's "humor". During the "Doctor of Thuganomics" phase, he had some really sick rhymes that worked out in his feuds. However, in the PG Era, he doesn't work well. "CM Sucks" and "JBL is Poopy" don't work out real well. 2. After the "leaving WWE" speech, it didn't work because he kept coming back and still beating down Nexus. Now, I don't want to say "buried", because Nexus kinda deserved it, but it did get old. However, the last one will make a case for burials... 3. The speech confirmed that Cena the Character enjoys ruining lives, such as Batista getting pummeled mercilessly and Barrett falling victim to an avalanche, and that the WWE Universe must go behind this guy instead of the man who may turn out to be the voice of reason.
At least Nexus might be closer to revealing its true mastermind.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 28, 2010 12:33:23 GMT -5
I'll support Cena when he does things well. He did some excellent work during the Nexus-member phase, and his farewell speech, as long as that lasted. But most of his recent character derailment and cringeworthy "CM Sucks" dialogue means that I likely won't support him now, or for a while.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 28, 2010 12:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by The Tank on Dec 28, 2010 12:54:16 GMT -5
I will not say much outside of the following. These are all people who were generally well liked prior to having any sort of interaction versus CM Punk. While most of them made it to the otherside well regarded around these parts; during all of Punk's feuds with these people, there was a rather unusual amount of hate directed in these guy's directions. I'm just saying... Of those, the only ones that didn't have a noticeable portion of the forum against them at the time CM Punk feuded with them were Umaga and JBL. And as for those two...I couldn't really say, as I barely remember the feuds outside of the fact that they happened.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2010 13:00:08 GMT -5
I cannot express how sick and tired I am of CM Punk fans being talked about as if they're a bunch of biased, jaded sheep. Maybe people just like the guy. Did that thought ever occur?
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Post by metylerca on Dec 28, 2010 13:02:48 GMT -5
I will not say much outside of the following. These are all people who were generally well liked prior to having any sort of interaction versus CM Punk. While most of them made it to the otherside well regarded around these parts; during all of Punk's feuds with these people, there was a rather unusual amount of hate directed in these guy's directions. I'm just saying... Of those, the only ones that didn't have a noticeable portion of the forum against them at the time CM Punk feuded with them were Umaga and JBL. And as for those two...I couldn't really say, as I barely remember the feuds outside of the fact that they happened. I remember during the Umaga feud people blaming their lackluster matches on Umaga, with his clean victory over Punk being cringeworthy for a lot of posters, as he held the Money in the Bank briefcase. During the JBL feud, people cried 'burial!" the moment JBL cut a heel promo on him, using alcohol, no less. I understand sensitivity and wanting a wrestler to succeed, but the OP has a point in saying that some people take it too far with their Punk fandom. There's liking the guy and then there's taking every loss and opposing wrestler making him look bad as personal. I once saw a CM Punk appreciation thread because he wore a Bouncing Souls hoodie out to the ring. That's one extreme. I saw a Rey Mysterio depreciation thread because he made Punk bleed at Over the Limit. That's the other.
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Post by percymania on Dec 28, 2010 13:15:37 GMT -5
Do I really need to list all the reasons why I think CM Punk > John Cena? Because, I mean, this would become a very long post... I'm sure I would hit the character limit if there is one.
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Post by Pseudonym on Dec 28, 2010 13:19:35 GMT -5
I cannot express how sick and tired I am of CM Punk fans being talked about as if they're a bunch of biased, jaded sheep. Maybe people just like the guy. Did that thought ever occur?
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Post by The Tank on Dec 28, 2010 13:20:53 GMT -5
Do I really need to list all the reasons why I think CM Punk > John Cena? Because, I mean, this would become a very long post... I'm sure I would hit the character limit if there is one. He's better on the mic and better in the ring. There, that was easy.
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Post by Massive G on Dec 28, 2010 13:28:45 GMT -5
I don't like either guy more than the other. I have no problem with differing opinions or you liking another wrestler or what they do. I'm saying it seems like it will not just be praising Punk (which I have no problem with). It's not favoritism by simply liking what someone did. It's when you sow favoritism by always burying the other guy no matter what. That's what I have a feeling it will be. Once again just a feeling. Example: Orton/Sheamus feud. I might like Orton and the things he does, but I'm not just gonna bury Sheamus and everything he does because I like Orton more. I see. Well - the fact that a lot of people don't care for Cena's overly jokey babyface character won't help matters either. I think if we saw a more serious Cena then it wouldn't be as biased. If the punny, corny jokester we see now is all we get with this one, then likely yes - it will be a nation of Cena hate. All true. A more serious Cena (and not "serious voice, puffy cheeks" Cena) would go a long way towards quieting the groans that emerge every time he says something indescribably corny.
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