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Post by The Man That Sanity Forgot on Dec 28, 2010 16:10:49 GMT -5
I recently had a thought whilst watching some Teddy Hart videos. Lets say for a moment that Teddy Hart didn't have the attitude problems he has, and had made it into the WWE, do you think he would have been able to be as 'innovative' as he is?
It might just be me, but I think when it comes to stars they didn't make lately (Bryan, Punk (to an extent), Kaval, Bourne, Black), they soften their style up. The most I've seen them get away with was Kaval missing the Phoenix Splash. Half the moves a lot of indy stars do as general moves, look sicker than 90% of the finishers in WWE.
So other than question number one regarding Teddy Hart, do you think WWE tone down wrestlers?
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 28, 2010 16:20:32 GMT -5
Yes, at least in Bourne's case. Ever since his first ankle injury, he has been working a style without as many high-flying moves. Either WWE told him to tone it down, or he was just never the same after that injury.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 16:21:48 GMT -5
To an extent but it's necessary. The schedule, the traveling, the fact that they have to wrestle for television, the general larger size of wrestlers, all contribute to a safer style.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Dec 28, 2010 16:46:35 GMT -5
Additionally they don't need to go 100 miles an hour balls to the wall high spots to stay employed. A lot of smaller indies will book on the basis of how many flips a guy can do simply because it's easier to book and draw a crowd to a small show with matches like that.
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Post by DeathRay on Dec 28, 2010 16:53:27 GMT -5
Even without the bad attitude, Teddy Hart would be just a spotmonkey, and in the WWE most of his moves will be banned.
WWE does tone down the wrestlers because of the schedule they have to endure, but that doesn't really affect your matches when you are a good worker. You can have a amazing match with a very simple moveset if you can use psychology
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 28, 2010 17:18:18 GMT -5
This is one of the reasons I think why indie guys can get short shrift in WWE. Like you said a lot of indie lock-up moves look crazier than finishers in WWE, and I think WWE - whether the wrsetlers have that attitude or not - end up perceiving indie guys as thinking 'we can outwrestle you, look how many flips I can do' when there's obviously more to it, like charisma and psychology. Not my opinion, just one I suspect WWE may have.
But then I think the psychology of that kind of wrestling is a bit bankrupt anyway, because doing all those flips often takes the believability out of it, just like a hardcore match which is only high-spot after high-spot.
Obviously this doesn't apply to all indie wrestling at all, or cruiserweight wrestling, but there's got to be a balance.
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Post by greeby on Dec 28, 2010 17:23:10 GMT -5
Depends what we mean by toning down. The mat and chain wrestling Dragon, Punk and a lot of the undercard can do will fill out a match and help to preserve one's body a lot better than the bump-heavy so-called "safe" style. If it's stiff shots, no-one has ever stopped Regal or Bradshaw from laying it in for all these years.
I do think there are times when great wrestlers have to dumb themselves down, simply because their opponent can't wrestle.
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Post by percymania on Dec 28, 2010 17:38:50 GMT -5
doing all those flashy moves during the undercard can make the main event feel underwhelming, so yes, he would have to tone it down some.
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Post by potpie on Dec 28, 2010 18:08:51 GMT -5
If it's anything like the aikido class I'm in, your moveset probably goes down 50% every time you're paired with an idiot (and since there's been more kids coming in as of late, it's happened a lot to me). I can say to my partner, "Hey, do you know how to do/fall from ______?" and I get three types of responses. The first and rarest is that they do know the move, can fall properly from it, and therefore makes me feel comfortable trying it on them. The second is a blank stare; they have absolutely no clue what Move X even is, and therefore I don't even bother. The third (and the reason why I sustain injuries alll the damn time) is the "yeah, I know it" fake confidence response, followed up by a botch that usually involves me getting hurt, and therefore I never want to try that move on them again. So all those cool aikido moves I know, I can only practice them on maybe 1/10th of the people in my class.
So in closing, it's probably all about self-preservation of body and sanity.
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