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Post by Janitor From Mars on Dec 18, 2010 23:19:18 GMT -5
He really needs to get a life. Gotta hand this one to Bischoff. Sorry kids, but not everything that you read on the internet is true, especially concerning TNA's financial status.
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Post by Raging_Demons on Dec 18, 2010 23:26:03 GMT -5
He really needs to get a life. Gotta hand this one to Bischoff. Sorry kids, but not everything that you read on the internet is true, especially concerning TNA's financial status. So you're telling me this guy from Nigeria won't give me his money if I give him my bank info? DAMN IT! ;D On a serious note people need to know that if you're going to do this there's a little thing called... CHECKING YOUR RESOURCES!
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 18, 2010 23:27:12 GMT -5
Bischoff could release data and physical paperwork to prove that the company's doing better under his guidance, how he has always been successful and that the money he makes is a good thing for everyone, hell, he could bring the evidence right to my doorstep, and I'd still hate his stinking guts.
Sometimes...sometimes, you just straight up hate a guy.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Dec 18, 2010 23:45:30 GMT -5
I have nothing to add except this: So, I disagree that he doesn't like criticism, as I think he gets off on it. I once read a terrifying fanfiction with that EXACT plot.
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Post by wcw on Dec 19, 2010 0:16:53 GMT -5
Buy rates are in the tank Ratings are stagnant. House Shows are still drawing squat and even if Reaction and Merchandising are boosts to income the operating costs but they have probably matched that with the increases to the expenses with all the new contracts and production cost increases.
All in all I doubt TNA is making more then they were before Hogan got there.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 19, 2010 0:39:01 GMT -5
Buy rates are in the tank Ratings are stagnant. House Shows are still drawing squat and even if Reaction and Merchandising are boosts to income the operating costs but they have probably matched that with the increases to the expenses with all the new contracts and production cost increases. All in all I doubt TNA is making more then they were before Hogan got there. Bingo and with Reaction getting a .34 Its probably safe to say it wont be around much longer. They have added so many people, Bischoff being one of them, and they havent had ratings, buyrates, or attendance go up. They may not be on the verge of bankruptcy but they arent making more money than last year, even if they sell alot more shirts now.
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Dec 19, 2010 0:46:59 GMT -5
Eric destroyed this numbskull. More of these bloggers need smacked around like this. This. The internet has become a place where we are accustomed to seeing uninformed, unintelligent attention seekers slander, insult and defame public figures on a regular basis. That doesn't make it okay. If the Enquirer runs a false story about a media figure, they can be sued for millions, while bloggers rarely face any sort of repercussion for presenting blatant lies as legitimate news on an enormous public forum. We've become so jaded to this that we call a guy a loser for defending himself. The world would be a much better place if this happened on a regular basis. Rupert Murdoch doesn't scour the internet seeking out people that say his media empire is a draconian, outdated monster. Vince McMahon doesn't scour the internet seeking out people that say WWE are rubbish David Beckham doesn't scour the internet seeking out people that say he had a bad game. Simon Cowell doesn't scour the internet seeking out people that say he's over opinionated jerk. Spotting the link? It makes TNA look bushleague. It makes TNA look like a small time company that's so insecure over it's image it chases down individual fans. Those people rise over the slander. They prove the bloggers wrong by doing their job right. Eric isn't doing his job right. Simple as. You say bloggers need to be slapped, why? The internet is about free speech. TNA should learn to take that criticique with a pinch of salt or BETTER YET, act on it. If Erics looking at the internet, he should be reading about how people think his product is absolute garbage. He should be seeing people compare it to WCW and realise that RVD/The entire Ev2 thing is done. They haven't done anything to the product except re-enforce the idea that the company is living in the past. If he's got the time to read blogs, why isn't he spending that time working on his product to shut up the bloggers? Don't start praising Eric for chasing down opinionated people on the internet. This is the man who once captained the largest wrestling promotion in the world reduced to answering podcasts that get 50 listeners (at best). That's not a triumph, it's a showcase of how far he's fallen. A monument to his undying ego that has suffocated his career as a promoter of wrestling. Eric Bischoff is done. This simply shows he refuses to accept that fact.
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Post by lordofthering on Dec 19, 2010 1:22:56 GMT -5
Again, BLOGGERS NEED TO BE SLAPPED!
Their opinions aside, they don't have the least bit of idea what's going on. I don't want Eric and Hulk listening to a bunch of Wade Kellers, James Caldwells, or guys like this idiot. I don't want them listening to what they THINK needs to be done with the company to improve it. If any of these idiots took control of TNA, it'd be out of business in a month.
And you know what? I don't have a clue what goes on behind closed doors either. All I know is that TNA gets full use of Universal Studios and the impact zone, they get millions from Spike, Spike allowed them another show, Universal Studios is happy as hell with them, and the majority of wrestlers love working there.
And I will attack that goober blogger/podcaster every single day if I have to do that. He tries to force false information down Eric's throat, and Eric responded heavily. You know, things like "TNA has lost more money in one year than they did in the other seven"?
The stupidity is rampant. I dare them to try to even sit at the creative table at a TNA event. Russo's stupidity aside, he's still got the experience, and he'd skin them alive.
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Post by lordofthering on Dec 19, 2010 1:24:48 GMT -5
Buy rates are in the tank Ratings are stagnant. House Shows are still drawing squat and even if Reaction and Merchandising are boosts to income the operating costs but they have probably matched that with the increases to the expenses with all the new contracts and production cost increases. All in all I doubt TNA is making more then they were before Hogan got there. Bingo and with Reaction getting a .34 Its probably safe to say it wont be around much longer. They have added so many people, Bischoff being one of them, and they havent had ratings, buyrates, or attendance go up. They may not be on the verge of bankruptcy but they arent making more money than last year, even if they sell alot more shirts now. It got .34 because it started a half hour later, and didn't have the momentum of Impact. That retarded show, Phowned, got a .57, which is about .1 less than Reaction usually gets. If it comes back at 11 next week, you'll see the same numbers come back again.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 19, 2010 1:28:04 GMT -5
Bingo and with Reaction getting a .34 Its probably safe to say it wont be around much longer. They have added so many people, Bischoff being one of them, and they havent had ratings, buyrates, or attendance go up. They may not be on the verge of bankruptcy but they arent making more money than last year, even if they sell alot more shirts now. It got .34 because it started a half hour later, and didn't have the momentum of Impact. That retarded show, Phowned, got a .57, which is about .1 less than Reaction usually gets. If it comes back at 11 next week, you'll see the same numbers come back again. And what does that mean really? The ratings are still basically being cut in half. True, it's a later time slot, but I seem to recall shows like Velocity and Sunday Night Heat easily beating the current numbers. It certainly doesn't help that they try to artificially inflate them by having the main event roll past the top of the hour and into the start of Reaction. When you have to trick the viewers into sticking around in order to get ratings and it STILL doesn't work than it's kind of hard to spin that into something positive.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 19, 2010 1:37:04 GMT -5
^Dude it's still the c-show so I am actually suprized they did this well at all for as many weeks as they have with Reaction. Impact started on spike with less than a million viewers every week in 2005. They have come along way.
I stand up for Bischoff on this one. Rome wasn't built in a day. None of us anywhere on the net know what Dixie set as a performance standard and timetable for Hulk and Eric when they signed on. Blaming him totally is BS because he is not the only employee in that company and he does not have final and total say on every matter. He is not Vince McMahon.
Him being lame somehow for defending himself? Seriously? I have heard from many hundred posters wishing that someone from the inside would answer for themselves including Eric Bischoff. So when he does defend himself (and did well at that) you childe him for it? Hypocritical
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 19, 2010 1:37:57 GMT -5
Again, BLOGGERS NEED TO BE SLAPPED! Their opinions aside, they don't have the least bit of idea what's going on. I don't want Eric and Hulk listening to a bunch of Wade Kellers, James Caldwells, or guys like this idiot. I don't want them listening to what they THINK needs to be done with the company to improve it. If any of these idiots took control of TNA, it'd be out of business in a month. And you know what? I don't have a clue what goes on behind closed doors either. All I know is that TNA gets full use of Universal Studios and the impact zone, they get millions from Spike, Spike allowed them another show, Universal Studios is happy as hell with them, and the majority of wrestlers love working there. And I will attack that goober blogger/podcaster every single day if I have to do that. He tries to force false information down Eric's throat, and Eric responded heavily. You know, things like "TNA has lost more money in one year than they did in the other seven"? The stupidity is rampant. I dare them to try to even sit at the creative table at a TNA event. Russo's stupidity aside, he's still got the experience, and he'd skin them alive. Well, let's be honest. They do have some idea of what's going on. The ratings are made public. People are generalizing the loss of profit from the simple fact that, less people are watching TNA, and the payroll is larger then it was in years where more people were watching. In 2008, more people were watching. In the first half of 2009, they generally had their highest ratings without dipping very low. The ratings started to dip when Russo got control, and while they raised up for the build of certain things like Hogan coming in, it lead more people to not only watch, but to say, this is garbage, and tune out. The only numbers that are tangable are the house shows and the ratings. And, based off of those numbers alone, TNA looks in rough shape. Now, maybe their merchandise is getting better. That's one avenue, but does that offset the cost of the talent they brought in? So, some of the bloggers can be informed, but it is few and far between. If someone talks about how the KOs draw the biggest ratings, then they are uninformed, as I was and didn't realize that Q5 drew the highest ratings no matter who was there. But, the KOs drew better when Russo wasn't head booker. Everyone drew better when Russo wasn't head booker. This is a plain fact and can't be disputed. It's not my opinion. Why is Eric Young having to take a pay cut? I know he took a paycut because his manager who books him says he took a pay cut, and confirms reports on him taking a pay cut, and isn't a fan of how the internet does report somethings. Rhino apparently took one as well, but because the sources are limited on that one (EY's manager said this, but he doesn't manage Rhino), but why is this happening? Again, it could be because it's a harsh business, but that just might look poorly on TNA. If a blogger can get his facts straight, it is possible to call Bischoff out. He just needs to do research, and explore every avenue.
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Post by corndog on Dec 19, 2010 3:13:30 GMT -5
Just got done listening to the podcast. I can understand Bischoff being offended by a guy that runs a podcast saying he should be fired, and he made some great points there. Pretty much none of the internet fans that judge him have any experience in television or corporate management. But it does have to make you wonder why he would let that get under his skin so much that he would call some no name podcast to argue with him?
Also if this guy had some points, such as ratings, and especially house show numbers he would have a solid argument. Last time I checked Bischoff was the Executive Producer of Reaction, so that would nullify his argument that he is just an on air personality. Obviously since it's a private company we don't know about profits/losses and overall financial condition of the company.
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Post by wcw on Dec 19, 2010 4:06:52 GMT -5
Thing is I could really care less wither or not Bischoff makes money for TNA. As a fan I care mostly about the creative product being churned out. And Bischoff hasn't fired Russo nor done anything to improve the quality of the show from a creative stand point.
Its clear Russo is very much in charge of the creative direction of TNA and its the one common dominator to TNA's failures to expand over the last 3-4 years (And forget the fiscal perspective I am just talking from a creative perspective).
As a fan you can only speculate TNA's fiscal point of interest but you know first hand the quality of their creative product.
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Post by probable on Dec 19, 2010 5:31:59 GMT -5
This is the sort of thing idiots cream over though. They'd think Bish is the man for doing crap like this, blissfully unaware of the irony Bish would have a bullet put up their Mum's bingo for $100.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 19, 2010 12:22:46 GMT -5
the blogger may not have had his facts straight, but Eric still comes off as a tool for even wasting time with him. seriously, Vince and Stephanie never waste time with all the bloggers out there that shit on their product. they just go on doing what they're doing and that seems to work out just fine for them. mark my words, if TNA ended up going under after all (not saying it's going to happen) it'd only speak more to Eric's insecurity that when his company was in trouble he wasted time arguing semantics with a blogger instead of making his company better. and saying "well we sell more merchandise now" doesn't do anything to disprove the notion that your company is losing viewers.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2010 12:30:48 GMT -5
the blogger may not have had his facts straight, but Eric still comes off as a tool for even wasting time with him. seriously, Vince and Stephanie never waste time with all the bloggers out there that s*** on their product. they just go on doing what they're doing and that seems to work out just fine for them. mark my words, if TNA ended up going under after all (not saying it's going to happen) it'd only speak more to Eric's insecurity that when his company was in trouble he wasted time arguing semantics with a blogger instead of making his company better. and saying "well we sell more merchandise now" doesn't do anything to disprove the notion that your company is losing viewers. A bit of my take as well. Bisch is RIGHT, a hundred percent in his arguments, logic, facts etc.. but he still didn't have to have the long diatribe proving his points, correct as they are, to 'some dude on the internet'.
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Post by comahan on Dec 19, 2010 12:34:34 GMT -5
It got .34 because it started a half hour later, and didn't have the momentum of Impact. That retarded show, Phowned, got a .57, which is about .1 less than Reaction usually gets. If it comes back at 11 next week, you'll see the same numbers come back again. And what does that mean really? The ratings are still basically being cut in half. True, it's a later time slot, but I seem to recall shows like Velocity and Sunday Night Heat easily beating the current numbers. It certainly doesn't help that they try to artificially inflate them by having the main event roll past the top of the hour and into the start of Reaction. When you have to trick the viewers into sticking around in order to get ratings and it STILL doesn't work than it's kind of hard to spin that into something positive. A 0.6 for 11pm is quite good, especially for an hour long block. Velocity and Heat were on much earlier.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Dec 19, 2010 15:07:58 GMT -5
This was Dave Meltzer's response to the exchange:
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 19, 2010 15:13:12 GMT -5
LOL at Meltzer using LOL.
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