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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 13:05:38 GMT -5
I honestly believe that if you look for something hard enough - you'll find it - whether its actually there or not.
If you want to see nothing but vicious rants and hatred towards TNA here - you'll see it, but that doesn't mean that's how things actually are.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 13:05:51 GMT -5
You're only looking at this thread, hollywood, when I said to look at the whole section. Really, you want hate, go to the threads about Jeff Hardy and his family, or any Dixie topic, or the Samoa Joe topic, the one about Nash's shoot, go through the iMPACT pbp thread, and even the joke threads like the christmas ones and the one about making up rumors. Go to any kind of "news" posted around here. Tell me then, alright? I figured to wanted the first page of that thread. But ok. Fair enough. From Page 1 of "Yep, the Hardyz are sane alright.." "Jeff Hardy needs internet rage control counseling." "Some people should NOT be on the internet. Just saying..." "Jeff, please use the spacebar." "What?IDon'tseewhatthebigdealis" Or the thread about Samoa Joe resigning. "I don't want to blanket WWE in criticism, but I just cringe thinking about the awful samoan variant gimicks they'd have in store for Joe...if they wanted him at all" "I'm sure he'd like to go to WWE, but staying in TNA is Joe's best option." "Call me crazy, but I don't think he'll get a savage gimmick if he went to WWE." "It depends purely on what he wants, since he has a 2 year old kid and is recently married (Well, 2 years ago), so who knows if hed be willing to go with WWEs schedule." I just don't see the avalanche of blind hate you keep mentioning. Are there irrational people out there with an ax to grind? Sure. Is everyone on WrestleCrap and all of the wrestling community at large picking on TNA? A thousand times no. Read the whole threads, and you will. And, really, I have never said that it was some conspiracy to make TNA look bad. In no post have I ever said anything close to that. That isn't what I'm taking about. This whole thing started cause you and Numero try to act like TNA doesn't have any more complaints than any other fed does, and I disagreed. How does conspiracy come into this?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 13:07:41 GMT -5
I honestly believe that if you look for something hard enough - you'll find it - whether its actually there or not. If you want to see nothing but vicious rants and hatred towards TNA here - you'll see it, but that doesn't mean that's how things actually are. Really, if you don't see a lot of the anger around here that goes beyond TNa itself, you just aren't seeing it then.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 21, 2010 13:08:14 GMT -5
Yes you can. The defendant does not have to carry the burden of proof. The one making extraordinary and/or apparently unfounded claims does. This isn't a court of law - its just two nerds yelling at each other. That whole "carry the burden of proof" only matters during a trial. And TNA can "win" - they can put up or shut up, as the phrase goes. exactly. if TNA wanted to "win" this argument, they could do so very easily. just ignore the guy. instead, Eric Bischoff picks a fight with some internet blogger and claims the guy has no argument, but doesn't do anything to actually refute the argument. in the end he just makes himself look bad. if he had just kept his mouth shut and kept on doing his job, people wouldn't be questioning him (ok they would, but at least they'd have one less reason to). if you're going to go out of your way to refute an argument, at least have the balls to really defend yourself instead of just going "nuh uh you're wrong" [/2nd grade]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 13:08:52 GMT -5
I figured to wanted the first page of that thread. But ok. Fair enough. From Page 1 of "Yep, the Hardyz are sane alright.." "Jeff Hardy needs internet rage control counseling." "Some people should NOT be on the internet. Just saying..." "Jeff, please use the spacebar." "What?IDon'tseewhatthebigdealis" Or the thread about Samoa Joe resigning. "I don't want to blanket WWE in criticism, but I just cringe thinking about the awful samoan variant gimicks they'd have in store for Joe...if they wanted him at all" "I'm sure he'd like to go to WWE, but staying in TNA is Joe's best option." "Call me crazy, but I don't think he'll get a savage gimmick if he went to WWE." "It depends purely on what he wants, since he has a 2 year old kid and is recently married (Well, 2 years ago), so who knows if hed be willing to go with WWEs schedule." I just don't see the avalanche of blind hate you keep mentioning. Are there irrational people out there with an ax to grind? Sure. Is everyone on WrestleCrap and all of the wrestling community at large picking on TNA? A thousand times no. Read the whole threads, and you will. And, really, I have never said that it was some conspiracy to make TNA look bad. In no post have I ever said anything close to that. That isn't what I'm taking about. This whole thing started cause you and Numero try to act like TNA doesn't have any more complaints than any other fed does, and I disagreed. How does conspiracy come into this? We weren't saying they don't have any more complaints, but that they aren't blindly hated against more so than any other fed. They have more complaints because they obviously have more to complain about. That's my whole point. You said: If its not justified - then why are they doing it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 13:11:06 GMT -5
I honestly believe that if you look for something hard enough - you'll find it - whether its actually there or not. If you want to see nothing but vicious rants and hatred towards TNA here - you'll see it, but that doesn't mean that's how things actually are. Really, if you don't see a lot of the anger around here that goes beyond TNa itself, you just aren't seeing it then. Or maybe you're only seeing what you want to see?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 13:17:27 GMT -5
Really, if you don't see a lot of the anger around here that goes beyond TNa itself, you just aren't seeing it then. Or maybe you're only seeing what you want to see? How? Look, I know it's not every post here, but if you honestly think there aren't posts or topics that aren't the least bit justified, then what the hell is the justification?
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Post by s l i k on Dec 21, 2010 13:34:57 GMT -5
There is no excuse for verbally assaulting a fan.
WWE would never tolerate this type of behaviour from one of their employees.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 13:37:36 GMT -5
Or maybe you're only seeing what you want to see? How? Look, I know it's not every post here, but if you honestly think there aren't posts or topics that aren't the least bit justified, then what the hell is the justification? How? Well, I think its mainly based on the fact that a lot of contextual information is lost when dealing strictly with web interaction. There's a certain amount of intepretation we all do when reading posts - whether be inflection or our own personal opinions/experiences tainting how we view things.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 13:37:42 GMT -5
There is no excuse for verbally assaulting a fan. WWE would never tolerate this type of behaviour from one of their employees. what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst?
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Post by hollywood on Dec 21, 2010 13:53:35 GMT -5
There is no excuse for verbally assaulting a fan. WWE would never tolerate this type of behaviour from one of their employees. what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Didn't that happen when a fan called in? Rather than him seeking someone out and ranting on THEIR show? But I digress. I've never said TNA gets an equal amount of criticism as WWE. They get more. A lot more. I just contend the reason they get more is because they deserve it, not because people are just big ol' meanies.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 14:12:41 GMT -5
what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Didn't that happen when a fan called in? Rather than him seeking someone out and ranting on THEIR show? But I digress. I've never said TNA gets an equal amount of criticism as WWE. They get more. A lot more. I just contend the reason they get more is because they deserve it, not because people are just big ol' meanies. It's the same, as both sought after the guy, since the fan had to approach him first, and all inductions he made on his show where it happened seem to point to him challenging the guy to come on his show. So, the situations are both similar, in that the "fan" approach the person about not liking them, and the person in question coming back with mentions of how better they are and insults on the fan. On the second point, you did say 'TNA isn't judged any more harshly than any other promotion.', which means they don't get more than anyone else, unless you meant something else there. And, again, I don't say it's something people do to be mean, but it's something that occurs without justification to the reasoning of to "make TNA right".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 14:24:44 GMT -5
Didn't that happen when a fan called in? Rather than him seeking someone out and ranting on THEIR show? But I digress. I've never said TNA gets an equal amount of criticism as WWE. They get more. A lot more. I just contend the reason they get more is because they deserve it, not because people are just big ol' meanies. On the second point, you did say 'TNA isn't judged any more harshly than any other promotion.', which means they don't get more than anyone else, unless you meant something else there. That's not what that means. "TNA isn't judged any more harshly than any other promotion." means they aren't held to a different standard. They are held to the same standard as everyone else. Because of TNA's actions they more consistantly fall below that standard and are critiqued more often as a result.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 21, 2010 14:31:05 GMT -5
Didn't that happen when a fan called in? Rather than him seeking someone out and ranting on THEIR show? But I digress. I've never said TNA gets an equal amount of criticism as WWE. They get more. A lot more. I just contend the reason they get more is because they deserve it, not because people are just big ol' meanies. It's the same, as both sought after the guy, since the fan had to approach him first, and all inductions he made on his show where it happened seem to point to him challenging the guy to come on his show. So, the situations are both similar, in that the "fan" approach the person about not liking them, and the person in question coming back with mentions of how better they are and insults on the fan. But again, Cole didn't seek this fan out. Cole, like Bischoff, is a public figure. Criticism and insults come with the job. It's one thing to blow a gasket when someone calls in and makes you mad, it's quite another to seek out a private individual with nothing more than a meager podcast and vent your frustrations. It just makes Bischoff look petty. And I don't say that because I hate the guy or want him to look bad or fail or get fired or die or whatever. I just think he made a mistake. No, that's not at all what I meant. Maybe this is just the ineffectiveness of communications via the internet at work, but it's barely even in the ballpark. Let me try putting it this way... Think of a football game, which is called by the best, fairest referees in existence. If one team gets twice as many flags thrown at them, does that mean that the referees are actually biased and NOT fair? Or does it mean that the team is actually just making twice as many mistakes? You seem to be implying that, in TNA's case, criticizing the company twice as much means we're just biased against them in some manner. That's not the case. It just means we (or I, in this case) think the company makes twice as many mistakes. That's it. There's no underlying motive. No deep-rooted hatred. No ongoing wish to see the company fail. I just think they make bad decisions, and I make fun of them for it. That's honestly as far as it goes, and I think that's how far it goes for the majority of people on this board.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 14:53:20 GMT -5
But again, Cole didn't seek this fan out. Cole, like Bischoff, is a public figure. Criticism and insults come with the job. It's one thing to blow a gasket when someone calls in and makes you mad, it's quite another to seek out a private individual with nothing more than a meager podcast and vent your frustrations. It just makes Bischoff look petty. And I don't say that because I hate the guy or want him to look bad or fail or get fired or die or whatever. I just think he made a mistake. And, again, it wasn't like Bischoff pointed him out. If you hear it, he said himself he sent a few messages to a guy, and one being about responding to it. Also, on the show, he doesn't even act all that surprised, like it wasn't just something unplanned. He even sets it up, wondering if he would be man enough to come on his show. Is that isn't reason enough, I don't know what is. And I said again how I didn't mention how it was some kind of conspiracy. All I did say was how people seem to take any kind of criticism and try to justify it as way to improve TNA, even when it doesn't even involve that. and how funny when I imply something, and you argue that it wasn't that, while implying something I said, and me having to argue that?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2010 15:11:29 GMT -5
Round and round and round we go...
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Post by hollywood on Dec 21, 2010 15:14:18 GMT -5
Round and round and round we go... You're right. Someone stop the ride, this is where I get off.
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Post by Orange on Dec 21, 2010 15:43:40 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2010 15:59:16 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough. How about the insults people give Vince McMahon regularly? The flack WWE took for "Stand Up For WWE" campaign. What about the Linda McMahon run for senate? The hate for Rey Mysterio is probably more powerful and personal than the Hardys get. TNA is not the red headed stepchild of pro wrestling as some may think. Nor should they be treated like the handicapped kid in P.E.
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Post by Orange on Dec 21, 2010 16:24:20 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough. How about the insults people give Vince McMahon regularly? The flack WWE took for "Stand Up For WWE" campaign. What about the Linda McMahon run for senate? The hate for Rey Mysterio is probably more powerful and personal than the Hardys get. TNA is not the red headed stepchild of pro wrestling as some may think. Nor should they be treated like the handicapped kid in P.E. Well I can't speak for that since I rarely go on the WWE section since I quit watching long ago. I'm not saying that TNA should be exempt from criticism, but for some to say that the criticism is not there is silly.
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