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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2010 16:36:44 GMT -5
How about the insults people give Vince McMahon regularly? The flack WWE took for "Stand Up For WWE" campaign. What about the Linda McMahon run for senate? The hate for Rey Mysterio is probably more powerful and personal than the Hardys get. TNA is not the red headed stepchild of pro wrestling as some may think. Nor should they be treated like the handicapped kid in P.E. Well I can't speak for that since I rarely go on the WWE section since I quit watching long ago. I'm not saying that TNA should be exempt from criticism, but for some to say that the criticism is not there is silly. It's the internet. Everything is criticized.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 17:06:17 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough. . . . or looking too hard.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 21, 2010 17:19:56 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough. . . . or looking too hard. It's there, pretty plain. Just go to spoiler threads.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 21, 2010 19:10:01 GMT -5
There is no excuse for verbally assaulting a fan. WWE would never tolerate this type of behaviour from one of their employees. what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Cole didn't call the fan, the fan called Cole. There's a difference between actively seeking out a fan who spends money on your product and demeaning them as opposed to defending yourself on a show known for lack of kayfabe.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2010 19:26:50 GMT -5
what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Cole didn't call the fan, the fan called Cole. There's a difference between actively seeking out a fan who spends money on your product and demeaning them as opposed to defending yourself on a show known for lack of kayfabe. but the guy seemed to call him out, so it's not really different. Same with the guy calling Cole, except the fan had the show, not the talent.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 21, 2010 20:10:44 GMT -5
what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Cole didn't call the fan, the fan called Cole. There's a difference between actively seeking out a fan who spends money on your product and demeaning them as opposed to defending yourself on a show known for lack of kayfabe. Ok, so you were serious. Yeah, CM Punk bragged on his twitter about making a woman cry. I'm pretty sure a lot of heels find it funny to rag on people. Bret Hart in his dvd talked about how he felt better as a heel in the early Hart Foundation days, as he was able to let off steam. If I was a heel, I'd call a fan every word in the book. As for Dixie, dumbass does have a negative tone to it. Incompetent is a more neutral term. People can talk about it being negative, but I'm incompetent as it relates to astro physics. Why is Matt Hardy thought to be a scumbag anyway? Because he posts videos online? Because he wanted to get a new character going and backtracked? Does Scott Steiner know the answer? People can be negative all they want, as long as their points are valid. If people are insulting Dixie, or Vince, or whoever, then it speaks more of the person doing the insulting. And yeah, in moments of stupidity and frustration, I've probably done the same thing. I'm not a big fan of, ohh, there's too much negativity. And I used to be on the page of, ohhh, stop being a negative nancy, but as long as the critique is valid, then it's perfectly fine. And to me, a lot of what TNA has done (even though this is going off topic, and I think the thread has gone into another direction) is deserving of some of the negativity they get. I mean, is talking about how ridiculous winning a belt by opening a key to a box being stupid negative? I can't somehow look at that and think, boy, that was brilliant. Or, looking at a show that had very little wrestling, a high rating at the beginning, and watching the rating fall off the cliff and think, that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing! Or, the possibility that your top guy, who's on trial for drug charges, may've been on drugs when he gave another wrestler a concussion, I mean, how can you not see sunshine when thinking of that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:08:42 GMT -5
. . . or looking too hard. It's there, pretty plain. Just go to spoiler threads. Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:25:48 GMT -5
It's there, pretty plain. Just go to spoiler threads. Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't. Quote the f***ing truth.
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Post by Orange on Dec 21, 2010 23:46:04 GMT -5
It's there, pretty plain. Just go to spoiler threads. Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't. Well I would hope people wouldn't be ragging on an old man with a history of back problems. Remember, I never said anybody lacked class, which to insult Hogan in this time would be a sign of being classless. It's two different things.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 22, 2010 2:02:07 GMT -5
what about Michael Cole and his radio show outburst? Cole didn't call the fan, the fan called Cole. There's a difference between actively seeking out a fan who spends money on your product and demeaning them as opposed to defending yourself on a show known for lack of kayfabe. But you said "there is no excuse for verbally assaulting a fan", not "there is no excuse for seeking out and verbally assaulting a fan". If you're serious about "no excuses", then it being HIS show shouldn't be an excuse.
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Post by The 'Kai on Dec 22, 2010 2:35:00 GMT -5
It's really not that hard to see Mikey Cee's point, there is a lot of hate on these boards with TNA. How about the constant barrage of insults thrown at the owner? You can't tell me people call the owner of a company a dumbass and mock her intelligence because deep down they care can you? Or how about calling the Hardy's scumbags? When you take it to a personal level like that, it's not because you care about the company. If you can't look around and find hate and unneeded criticism in these boards, maybe you're not looking hard enough. . . . or looking too hard. You’re right as far as the nature of the comments TNA gets on these boards currently, as I don't see as much harsh negativity as I did a month or so ago. But I remember just after the October 14th Impact, and at least 6 weeks after that, you could hardly read a TNA thread without the criticisms being so blatantly harsh. I do see it as obvious that there is more of an anti-TNA vibe on these boards and on the Internet in General in 2010. But on the other hand, someone who’s looking for negativity in threads like (for example) ‘make a ridiculous TNA rumour’, I agree, is looking too hard because that thread is nothing more than a parody thread.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 22, 2010 3:35:15 GMT -5
It's there, pretty plain. Just go to spoiler threads. Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't. The two have nothing to do with each other. Hogan's health, which is real, and a wrestling show, which is fake, are two different things. Of course, despite how people feel about any certain wrestler, no one here wants to see any of these guys hurt or crippled. So of course a thread about Hogan legitimately in the hospital would have well wishers. Fact is, and I've seen you do it too, there's always people saying that TNA's booking "doesn't make sense" when reading spoilers, despite the fact that the spoilers, for the most part, are missing the backstage segments that link the in-ring actions. Instead of waiting to see how the show unfolds and then criticising the entire show, spoiler threads are filled with negativity about how "this show doesn't make sense" and "it's TNA, what do you expect???" before it even airs.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 22, 2010 7:37:11 GMT -5
Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't. The two have nothing to do with each other. Hogan's health, which is real, and a wrestling show, which is fake, are two different things. Of course, despite how people feel about any certain wrestler, no one here wants to see any of these guys hurt or crippled. So of course a thread about Hogan legitimately in the hospital would have well wishers. Fact is, and I've seen you do it too, there's always people saying that TNA's booking "doesn't make sense" when reading spoilers, despite the fact that the spoilers, for the most part, are missing the backstage segments that link the in-ring actions. Instead of waiting to see how the show unfolds and then criticising the entire show, spoiler threads are filled with negativity about how "this show doesn't make sense" and "it's TNA, what do you expect???" before it even airs. In regards to the Hogan thread, some folks felt since this is sometimes a parody site, jokes were deem necessary. I really don't think they did the jokes to be rat bastards. Just using dark humor to lighten the mood. Like I said earlier, TNA is not the only company to get slammed. Smackdown spoilers get the same treatment. Go on the Raw side on the forum, you will see a buried list and other threads criticizing WWE's booking. I think people are so stuck on being SRS, when someone make a joke on TNA's expense; they take it upon themselves to become Voltron to defend TNA.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2010 8:47:29 GMT -5
TNA (and its fans) has the biggest inferiority complex in pro wrestling history.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 22, 2010 9:29:50 GMT -5
TNA (and its fans) has the biggest inferiority complex in pro wrestling history. Paul Heyman and ECW in the 90's say hello.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:30:38 GMT -5
Been there. Don't see it. I see a lot of people critiquing a show they want to get better or deriding things they don't like. Sounds like a chance for TNA to step it up and draw in some fans. And just look at the latest "Hulk in the hospital" thread. For the most part its just well wishers. See? People don't hate things/people for no reason. If what you said was true, every other post would have been. "Good riddance Hulk!" "I hope his back stops him from being on my TV." "Old guys are old, that's what you get TNA!" But it wasn't. The two have nothing to do with each other. Hogan's health, which is real, and a wrestling show, which is fake, are two different things. Of course, despite how people feel about any certain wrestler, no one here wants to see any of these guys hurt or crippled. So of course a thread about Hogan legitimately in the hospital would have well wishers. Fact is, and I've seen you do it too, there's always people saying that TNA's booking "doesn't make sense" when reading spoilers, despite the fact that the spoilers, for the most part, are missing the backstage segments that link the in-ring actions. Instead of waiting to see how the show unfolds and then criticising the entire show, spoiler threads are filled with negativity about how "this show doesn't make sense" and "it's TNA, what do you expect???" before it even airs. Yeah - and most of the time, when the show itself happens - it STILL doesn't make sense. I don't understand how this is considered unfair to TNA. Newsflash - it happens in the Smackdown spoilers thread too. "ZOMG MVP and Dolph Ziggler have been buried again!" And regarding the Hulk thread, Mickey Cee said earlier in this thread that people were making personal attacks against TNA stars and issuing death threats as an example of the hatred. I was just saying how that's not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 10:31:27 GMT -5
TNA (and its fans) has the biggest inferiority complex in pro wrestling history. Paul Heyman and ECW in the 90's say hello. HAHA! Concur sir.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 22, 2010 10:49:38 GMT -5
I doubt this argument has an end because I doubt you guys will reach an aggrement. But I just want to say that if you think this place is bad, it could be far, far worse. I've been on forums where there is nothing but hatred and vitrol. I mean look at this. Somone posted the Hogan thing on one of these forums and the first post, the very first post, was this:
You try and post anything positive and you get flamed into oblivion. At least you can be greatful that things on here aren't as bad as that.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 22, 2010 11:29:03 GMT -5
TNA (and its fans) has the biggest inferiority complex in pro wrestling history. Paul Heyman and ECW in the 90's say hello. Gotta disagree. Heyman and ECW just told the world, "F*** you!" TNA usually says "Stop being so mean!!!" EDIT: Also, has anyone ever noticed how all white people are all like this and black people are all like this?
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Post by Orange on Dec 22, 2010 13:37:40 GMT -5
TNA (and its fans) has the biggest inferiority complex in pro wrestling history. Why is it that us calling out criticism means that there is an inferiority complex present? It has nothing to do with feeling inferior, I just got tired of reading months worth of bashing and wanted to speak up on it.
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