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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 2, 2010 0:20:11 GMT -5
A 40 something athlete has a severely demented brain is sensationalist crap because? I don't think anyone has said that his actions were aused by the lack of a "don't kill your family" section. As I posted before I have first had experence watching an Alzheimer's patent having sometimes extremely violent mood swings. I don't under stand why people seem to think that acknowledging that brain damage probably played a part in Chris Benoit's horrific actions is in no way the same as excusing what he did.
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Post by dh03grad on Nov 2, 2010 2:59:31 GMT -5
It's just sensationalist crap meant to grab your attention. The idea that all this brain damage was concentrated in the "don't kill your family" section of the brain, leaving him completely normal otherwise, is ridiculous. 85 year old Alzheimer's patients are generally concerned with trying to remember who their family members are, and if they're lucky they don't need full time professional care. Verne Gagne killed someone a couple of years ago. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 2, 2010 5:49:33 GMT -5
It's just sensationalist crap meant to grab your attention. The idea that all this brain damage was concentrated in the "don't kill your family" section of the brain, leaving him completely normal otherwise, is ridiculous. 85 year old Alzheimer's patients are generally concerned with trying to remember who their family members are, and if they're lucky they don't need full time professional care. Verne Gagne killed someone a couple of years ago. Totally different tho. Verne didn't intentionally kill a man. Verne got into an argument with a 100 year old man, it led to a shoving match and the 100 year old man fell and broke his hip. He died like a month later due to complications from surgery needed for the hip injury. That incident was by no means Alzheimer's causing Verne to forget that killing is bad, it was an accident |
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Post by JMA on Nov 2, 2010 14:12:17 GMT -5
That incident was by no means Alzheimer's causing Verne to forget that killing is bad, it was an accident You can't exactly be sure of that. |
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Post by Sparvid on Nov 3, 2010 6:29:27 GMT -5
Verne Gagne killed someone a couple of years ago. Totally different tho. Verne didn't intentionally kill a man. Verne got into an argument with a 100 year old man, it led to a shoving match and the 100 year old man fell and broke his hip. He died like a month later due to complications from surgery needed for the hip injury. That incident was by no means Alzheimer's causing Verne to forget that killing is bad, it was an accident And I don't recall any reports about Gagne trying to cover up the death by lying about it. |
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Post by capnsteve on Nov 5, 2010 3:31:53 GMT -5
A 40 something athlete has a severely demented brain is sensationalist crap because? I don't think anyone has said that his actions were aused by the lack of a "don't kill your family" section. As I posted before I have first had experence watching an Alzheimer's patent having sometimes extremely violent mood swings. I don't under stand why people seem to think that acknowledging that brain damage probably played a part in Chris Benoit's horrific actions is in no way the same as excusing what he did. As I said, 85 year old Alzheimer's patients generally don't fly around the country, negotiate their own contracts, and manage to hide their condition from friends and colleagues. If Benoit wandered off and got lost in the woods or forgot his family's names, then maybe that would be a valid comparison. |
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Post by Bald Bull on Nov 5, 2010 3:42:31 GMT -5
Let's all argue about Benoit! Hooray for it being 2007 again!
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Post by Alex Shelley on Nov 5, 2010 4:03:43 GMT -5
A 40 something athlete has a severely demented brain is sensationalist crap because? I don't think anyone has said that his actions were aused by the lack of a "don't kill your family" section. As I posted before I have first had experence watching an Alzheimer's patent having sometimes extremely violent mood swings. I don't under stand why people seem to think that acknowledging that brain damage probably played a part in Chris Benoit's horrific actions is in no way the same as excusing what he did. As I said, 85 year old Alzheimer's patients generally don't fly around the country, negotiate their own contracts, and manage to hide their condition from friends and colleagues. If Benoit wandered off and got lost in the woods or forgot his family's names, then maybe that would be a valid comparison. Just a thought, but I have a feeling that a neurosurgeon might be better able to understand what went on with Benoit's brain and its similarities to an Alzheimer's patient than you are. And since a neurosurgeon was the one who said that he had the brain of an 80+ man with severe Alzheimer's, I'm more inclined to believe him. This does not mean that Benoit had Alzheimer's. I'm certain he didn't. It just means that the brain damage that was there looked like a patient with severe Alzheimer's. It's not sensationalist. It's TRUE. |
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Post by namso on Nov 5, 2010 4:45:09 GMT -5
if his brain looked like it had alzheimer's, he sure didn't act like he had it or any symptoms. i know its hard to accept for wrestling fans, but the guy was a killer. not the kind who wasn't in control of his actions. he didn't just snap, but did his deed over a period of time. even his friends said he was a weirdo.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Nov 5, 2010 11:23:33 GMT -5
if his brain looked like it had alzheimer's, he sure didn't act like he had it or any symptoms. i know its hard to accept for wrestling fans, but the guy was a killer. not the kind who wasn't in control of his actions. he didn't just snap, but did his deed over a period of time. even his friends said he was a weirdo. I feel like this sort of statement shows a complete ignorance of both psychology, including exactly how "snapping" and going into a psychotic episode works, and how brain trauma can impact a person. |
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Post by JMA on Nov 5, 2010 15:36:02 GMT -5
I don't under stand why people seem to think that acknowledging that brain damage probably played a part in Chris Benoit's horrific actions is in no way the same as excusing what he did. Because people like to think that brain-states don't effect their choices. It scares them. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 5, 2010 21:15:19 GMT -5
I totally agree. I think a lot of people are terrified by the thought that with a little head trauma anyone of us could suddenly do things we know are horrible.
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Post by capnsteve on Nov 6, 2010 1:47:46 GMT -5
Me: I have the lungs of an 85 year old emphysema patient.
You: Oh my God, that's horrible, you must have trouble breathing and carry around an oxygen tank.
Me: No, I just ran a marathon actually, but it's still totally similar.
See my point?
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Post by JMA on Nov 6, 2010 2:39:47 GMT -5
Me: I have the lungs of an 85 year old emphysema patient. You: Oh my God, that's horrible, you must have trouble breathing and carry around an oxygen tank. Me: No, I just ran a marathon actually, but it's still totally similar. See my point? No, not at all actually. |
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Post by Alex Shelley on Nov 6, 2010 2:54:37 GMT -5
Me: I have the lungs of an 85 year old emphysema patient. You: Oh my God, that's horrible, you must have trouble breathing and carry around an oxygen tank. Me: No, I just ran a marathon actually, but it's still totally similar. See my point? Brains and lungs function very differently. Like I said... I'm more willing to trust a neurosurgeon on the matter than a person on the internet who likely has absolutely no formal education on anything to do with brains. |
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Post by namso on Nov 7, 2010 3:30:24 GMT -5
its hard to admit since he did those cool suplex's n stuff, but the guy was a killer.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 7, 2010 5:02:41 GMT -5
Me: I have the lungs of an 85 year old emphysema patient. You: Oh my God, that's horrible, you must have trouble breathing and carry around an oxygen tank. Me: No, I just ran a marathon actually, but it's still totally similar. See my point? No, not at all actually. Yeah, I'm going to go with "No, not all actually" as well. |
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Post by capnsteve on Nov 7, 2010 20:04:09 GMT -5
Really, my point is that difficult to understand? Let me make it more generic:
Guy1: X is similar to Y.
Guy2: I can't see any ways that X is similar to Y, in fact it seems like X and Y are total opposites.
Guy1: You're not educated enough to understand it and I can't explain it any further.
The whole point of a comparison is to make something easier to understand. Why make the comparison when the similarities are so obscure that you literally have to be a brain surgeon to understand it?
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Post by pundabaya on Nov 7, 2010 20:38:24 GMT -5
This is my view:
1)Chis Benoit had some sort of brain damage/degeneration
2)This may or may not have played a part in the murder/suicide.
3)if there is a chance it did have some effect, then it's still worth protecting others, by stopping activities that have a chance of causing brain trauma (e.g. chair shots to the head)
Brain injuries are known to have an effect on a person's personality, and we still do not understand the brain well enough to be sure of why and how. Benoit may have been a bit of a loner, but being a bit of a loner doesn't make one a killer. (It is known that people thinking that has a negative effect, loners get ostracised, which has a negative impact on their state of mind, and also means that warning signs aren't picked up.)
I think that any job that has risks of head trauma should have a mandatory brain scan policy. Boxers, wrestlers, American football players, rugby players, any one who might get kicked, punched, hit in the head. One of the most dangerous things about brain injury, is that repeated shocks have a cumulative effect, with little or no symptoms until its too late.
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Post by JMA on Nov 8, 2010 19:00:53 GMT -5
The whole point of a comparison is to make something easier to understand. So you're saying your comparison about lungs and brains was inherently flawed? |
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