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Post by Trent Valentine on Dec 20, 2010 14:10:08 GMT -5
Throughout our long years of wrestling. We've seen people slowly descend into darkness. Some did it out of greed, some did it out of jealousy, while others out of lack of respect. But has there ever been times when it was understandable?
One I thought was justified was Bret Hart's heel turn in 1997. He tried to be what the fans wanted, and what do they do? They boo him and spit in his face. Every time he tried to win the WWF Title, someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, or even The Undertaker was there to dash his championship dreams against the rocks. He's been jerked around a lot, and Vince didn't do a damn thing about it. So it was no wonder that he was so bitter.
Are there any you can think of?
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 20, 2010 16:22:39 GMT -5
The first one that comes to mind was when Stephanie turned on her father months after he had The Ministry abduct her. She turned out to be a very effective heel though.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on Dec 20, 2010 16:50:13 GMT -5
Chavo turning on Rey. If there was anyone that should have gotten the love and respect from the crowd, it should have been Eddie's nephew, not one of the guys he had just recently been feuding with.
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Post by corndog on Dec 20, 2010 17:00:43 GMT -5
I think Hogan's nWo heel turn was justified. The crowds were turning against him, even though WCW was enjoying more sucess than ever because of his presense. Nash and Hall could both relate to him since they became stars in the WWF, and most of the other wrestlers in WCW, besides Savage established themselves in WCW or the territories. Basically it was the WWF invading WCW and proving that WWF's stars were better and bigger draws, which in Hogan's case was true.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 20, 2010 18:59:09 GMT -5
Cactus Jack in 1995. He saw his fans holding up signs that called for the caning of his toddler and was trying to get Tommy Dreamer a better-paying, less physically demanding job.
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Post by Trent Valentine on Dec 20, 2010 23:08:43 GMT -5
The first one that comes to mind was when Stephanie turned on her father months after he had The Ministry abduct her. She turned out to be a very effective heel though. I agree with this one. Vince dragged Stephanie into his war with Austin by having her abducted against her will by The Undertaker only for Stone Cold to save her and gain Vince's trust. Not to mention Shane tried to run Stephanie's life by constantly meddling in her relationship with Test. Sure, she turned into a selfish conniving bitch, but Vince and Shane both had a lot to do with it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 20, 2010 23:12:03 GMT -5
Andre turning on Hogan. Even without the "you never gave me a title shot" angle, there's that whole award ceremony for Andre that Hogan took over and ruined.
Also, Sid on Hogan. Hogan screwed Sid over twice.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Dec 20, 2010 23:15:31 GMT -5
Christian. Shane McMahon costs him his match with Kurt Angle so Angle has to wrestle another match before their street fight. Shane then costs Angle the KOTR giving the crown to Edge. Then he gets overlooked by family in favor of Edge. I would be pissed to.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 20, 2010 23:43:54 GMT -5
Andre turning on Hogan. Even without the "you never gave me a title shot" angle, there's that whole award ceremony for Andre that Hogan took over and ruined. Also, Sid on Hogan. Hogan screwed Sid over twice. To that end, the whole "Tugboat to Typhoon" angle, which was basically the exact same thing as Hogan/Sid, just without as much focus on it, since Typhoon pretty much immediately went into a tag team.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 20, 2010 23:52:32 GMT -5
Andre turning on Hogan. Even without the "you never gave me a title shot" angle, there's that whole award ceremony for Andre that Hogan took over and ruined. Also, Sid on Hogan. Hogan screwed Sid over twice. To that end, the whole "Tugboat to Typhoon" angle, which was basically the exact same thing as Hogan/Sid, just without as much focus on it, since Typhoon pretty much immediately went into a tag team. I'm less inclined on that one, especially given that Tugboat never actually turned on Hogan far as I know - he turned on the Bushwackers.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 20, 2010 23:55:50 GMT -5
To that end, the whole "Tugboat to Typhoon" angle, which was basically the exact same thing as Hogan/Sid, just without as much focus on it, since Typhoon pretty much immediately went into a tag team. I'm less inclined on that one, especially given that Tugboat never actually turned on Hogan far as I know - he turned on the Bushwackers. Oh, yeah, he did, didn't he? I'm kind of sketchy on that whole time period of the WWF, I just remember Tugboat being a HUGE cheerleader for Hogan, and I just assumed that A led to B, I guess.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 21, 2010 0:09:07 GMT -5
I'm less inclined on that one, especially given that Tugboat never actually turned on Hogan far as I know - he turned on the Bushwackers. Oh, yeah, he did, didn't he? I'm kind of sketchy on that whole time period of the WWF, I just remember Tugboat being a HUGE cheerleader for Hogan, and I just assumed that A led to B, I guess. yep - it was a 6 man match, him and the wackers vs. Earthquake and...maybe the Nasty Boys? Just turned randomly in the middle of it to side with Quake. His connection to Hogan was almost never brought up again.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 21, 2010 0:49:43 GMT -5
I think that was it because it set up the Bushwakers vs Natural Disaster's match at Summeslam 91. The Nasty Boys makes sense because it was all in the Hart family.
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Dec 21, 2010 2:40:38 GMT -5
Randy Savage and Hogan? Hogan was getting pretty touchy with Elizabeth Chris Jericho in the feud with Shawn. After all, Michaels was the liar and Jericho was being nothing but honest. The people chose to support Shawn...stupid fans.
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Post by skulldouggory on Dec 21, 2010 3:51:50 GMT -5
Owen hart joining the nation in 1998. Chyna always screwed over Owen in the Europeon title matches with Triple H and WWF was'nt doing anything about it. Owen got fed up playing nice and joined the nation, just as DX turned face.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Dec 21, 2010 4:49:33 GMT -5
Kane?
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 21, 2010 13:12:11 GMT -5
Andre turning on Hogan. Even without the "you never gave me a title shot" angle, there's that whole award ceremony for Andre that Hogan took over and ruined. Also, Sid on Hogan. Hogan screwed Sid over twice. No, Hogan said if you wanted a title shot all you had to do was ask, plus, it was Heenan's brainwashing of Andre. If anything, Andre was just jealous that Hogan had the spotlight. In this very instant, Hogan was clearly the face in this one.
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Post by neal on Dec 21, 2010 14:50:43 GMT -5
Bill Dundee's turn in 1985 made sense. The Fabulous One's were in the WMC-TV studio doing a promo and took exception to some comments made earlier by Bill Dundee. Dundee was enthusiastic about reforming his tag team with Jerry Lawler and said that they could beat any other tag team, whether it was the Road Warriors, The Sheepherders, The Freebirds, the Rock and Roll Express, The Fabulous Ones, etc.
Steve Keirn brought up Dundee's comments, so Dundee lays down a challenge to the Fabs (which the Fab's are hesistant to acept and do some back peddling), but Jerry Lawler won't have any part of that. Understandably Dundee takes offense to Lawler's refusal to wrestle the Fabs and Lawler subtly puts down Dundee and breaks up their tag team.
Dundee may come across as cocky in this clip, but I can understand where he's coming from.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 21, 2010 14:56:03 GMT -5
Andre turning on Hogan. Even without the "you never gave me a title shot" angle, there's that whole award ceremony for Andre that Hogan took over and ruined. Also, Sid on Hogan. Hogan screwed Sid over twice. No, Hogan said if you wanted a title shot all you had to do was ask, plus, it was Heenan's brainwashing of Andre. If anything, Andre was just jealous that Hogan had the spotlight. In this very instant, Hogan was clearly the face in this one. Except I set all that aside, as stated above, and pointed to the real turning point: The awards ceremony for Andre that Hogan ruined and took over, causing an embarrased and humiliated Andre to walk off from. *THAT* was the heel turn, the confrontation later with Heenan at his side just cemented it.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 21, 2010 15:01:10 GMT -5
Going to have to be a bit more specific, Amigo.
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