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Post by Chainsaw on May 1, 2011 7:42:17 GMT -5
My friend got pissed off when Perry White said "Truth, justice...all that sort of thing" in Superman Returns I can only imagine what his reaction is going to be to this.
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Post by Ian Austin on May 1, 2011 8:05:51 GMT -5
That seems kind of stupid. Superman's already a citizen of the world, so why would Iran care what he's doing? If they did something about him, couldn't Superman just level their country for stirring up trouble and that be the end of it? Superman can't get involved in global conflicts. Aliens? Fair game. He's protecting Earth. But the second he starts interfering in wars, he becomes a puppet of the state. It's the entire reason Red Son exists as a comic - to show that Superman can never be a political symbol.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 8:19:25 GMT -5
That seems kind of stupid. Superman's already a citizen of the world, so why would Iran care what he's doing? If they did something about him, couldn't Superman just level their country for stirring up trouble and that be the end of it? Superman can't get involved in global conflicts. Aliens? Fair game. He's protecting Earth. But the second he starts interfering in wars, he becomes a puppet of the state. It's the entire reason Red Son exists as a comic - to show that Superman can never be a political symbol. How's he a puppet of the state? If x country attacks y country and he intervenes to prevent the attack and then moves on and goes about his business, it's not like he's breaking any unwritten rules or anything. ...or is he? I'm sure there's some rule that says it's not allowed for the plot's sake, but whatever.
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Post by hossfan on May 1, 2011 9:06:55 GMT -5
I realize this is just a publicity stunt to drum up interest in the character, but Superman renouncing his citizenship to placate his critics is taking the easy way out, something a hero shouldn't do.
One of the basic tenets of being American is being able to disagree with the government and still be a citizen of the country. That's more patriotic than blindly supporting whatever our leaders do. But making that point seems too difficult a task for Earth's Mightiest Mortal. For Superman to symbolically give up his title as an American sends a message that the US doesn't stand for the values he does, and that's insulting.
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Post by willywonka666 on May 1, 2011 9:25:52 GMT -5
The us chewed him out for it. made me think of WCW when they didn't trust Sting and he became a Free agent, though he admitted he was looking out for himself, though he did still fight for WCW when it came down to it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 1, 2011 11:57:28 GMT -5
One of the basic tenets of being American is being able to disagree with the government and still be a citizen of the country. That's more patriotic than blindly supporting whatever our leaders do. But making that point seems too difficult a task for Earth's Mightiest Mortal. For Superman to symbolically give up his title as an American sends a message that the US doesn't stand for the values he does, and that's insulting. Isn't this the approach Marvel takes with Captain America - stands for American values, but not always the American government?
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Post by Cyno on May 1, 2011 12:37:47 GMT -5
It's certainly the direction Marvel took with Cap in Civil War. I think that's why US Agent existed.
Without getting political, do pundits really have nothing better to do than question the motives and beliefs of a fictional comic book character? Superman hasn't really stood for "the American Way" since at least the 80's, maybe earlier. His powers and his responsibilities extend way past protecting just a single country, but the world and even the universe and multiverse.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on May 1, 2011 12:43:22 GMT -5
Superman crossed our borders illegally from space. Imagine how many jobs he took from American superheros. Send him back to Krypton. Hope you don't mind that I facebook status'd this.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 1, 2011 12:48:09 GMT -5
Superman crossed our borders illegally from space. Imagine how many jobs he took from American superheros. Send him back to Krypton. Hope you don't mind that I facebook status'd this. Though, he probably has asylum, since hey, Krypton is gone.
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Post by hossfan on May 1, 2011 12:52:20 GMT -5
One of the basic tenets of being American is being able to disagree with the government and still be a citizen of the country. That's more patriotic than blindly supporting whatever our leaders do. But making that point seems too difficult a task for Earth's Mightiest Mortal. For Superman to symbolically give up his title as an American sends a message that the US doesn't stand for the values he does, and that's insulting. Pretty much, and Cap as a character is a lot more tightly intertwined with the federal government, given that he's always doing missions for them. In fact, the original Cap I even think he's running SHIELD now, which is America's premier spy agency. Isn't this the approach Marvel takes with Captain America - stands for American values, but not always the American government? Pretty much, and Cap's relationship with the US government is a lot more cozy than Superman's. There probably is a story out there somewhere in the 70 plus years of Superman's history that makes the same point, that even if he wears the country's colors and fights for "The American Way" he doesn't support everything its government does, but I'm too lazy to look for it
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Post by Push R Truth on May 1, 2011 14:58:36 GMT -5
This brings up another big question...
That Fortress of Solitude looks to have some pretty fancy architecture, I bet it's resale value would be extreme. So that begs the question. who currently collects his property taxes?
I'd assume the Fortress would be Superman's permanent residence, unless they count Clark Kent's apartment in Metropolis as his permanent... but that would also require that the IRS knows Kent is Superman.
Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 1, 2011 15:17:30 GMT -5
Does this mean he's topped walking everywhere? If so I'll start reading again. Now he's going to walk around the whole world.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 1, 2011 15:45:40 GMT -5
Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium. Who is going to make him pay for damages? How could you force him to come to court, a kryptonite summons?
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Post by Push R Truth on May 1, 2011 16:06:24 GMT -5
Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium. Who is going to make him pay for damages? How could you force him to come to court, a kryptonite summons? I kinda figured the whole "I stand for Truth and Justice..." thing would make him want to obey the law. This stuff all stems from when I was a little kid and would get infuriated because Superman would save a cat from a freeway and cause 17 million dollars of collateral damage doing it. But after you mentioned the kryponite summons... I want to see an Evil Judge with a Kryptonite Gavel try to take out Superman.
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Post by willywonka666 on May 1, 2011 16:09:30 GMT -5
This brings up another big question... That Fortress of Solitude looks to have some pretty fancy architecture, I bet it's resale value would be extreme. So that begs the question. who currently collects his property taxes? I'd assume the Fortress would be Superman's permanent residence, unless they count Clark Kent's apartment in Metropolis as his permanent... but that would also require that the IRS knows Kent is Superman. Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium. this is one reason I love this place so much
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Post by hossfan on May 1, 2011 16:12:48 GMT -5
This brings up another big question... That Fortress of Solitude looks to have some pretty fancy architecture, I bet it's resale value would be extreme. So that begs the question. who currently collects his property taxes? I'd assume the Fortress would be Superman's permanent residence, unless they count Clark Kent's apartment in Metropolis as his permanent... but that would also require that the IRS knows Kent is Superman. Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium. Superman's probably classified as a non profit organization, allowing him to avoid paying taxes.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 1, 2011 16:15:38 GMT -5
This brings up another big question... That Fortress of Solitude looks to have some pretty fancy architecture, I bet it's resale value would be extreme. So that begs the question. who currently collects his property taxes? I'd assume the Fortress would be Superman's permanent residence, unless they count Clark Kent's apartment in Metropolis as his permanent... but that would also require that the IRS knows Kent is Superman. Wonder what Supes has to carry for Liability Insurance? Being that he can fart and level the East Coast, I'd suspect it to be a high premium. Superman's probably classified as a non profit organization, allowing him to avoid paying taxes. Never thought about that, good point. To be a non-profit (at least in the USA) you have to have a sitting Board of Directors and fill out the proper paperwork yearly. Could the Justice League count as this?
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Post by Ian Austin on May 1, 2011 16:15:59 GMT -5
Superman can't get involved in global conflicts. Aliens? Fair game. He's protecting Earth. But the second he starts interfering in wars, he becomes a puppet of the state. It's the entire reason Red Son exists as a comic - to show that Superman can never be a political symbol. How's he a puppet of the state? If x country attacks y country and he intervenes to prevent the attack and then moves on and goes about his business, it's not like he's breaking any unwritten rules or anything. ...or is he? I'm sure there's some rule that says it's not allowed for the plot's sake, but whatever. Because intervening to stop the attack is a political statement. Let's say he stops Iran from bombing America. Iran would take that as Superman being an American pawn. If Superman then failed to stop China bombing Russia, the world would see him as an American puppet. Getting involved once means he always has to be involved, and Superman can't do that because he can't be everywhere at once. It's more hassle than it's worth.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 1, 2011 16:17:12 GMT -5
Superman's probably classified as a non profit organization, allowing him to avoid paying taxes. Never thought about that, good point. To be a non-profit (at least in the USA) you have to have a sitting Board of Directors and fill out the proper paperwork yearly. Could the Justice League count as this? Probably does. I imagine they likely have a legal team.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 1, 2011 16:22:08 GMT -5
Never thought about that, good point. To be a non-profit (at least in the USA) you have to have a sitting Board of Directors and fill out the proper paperwork yearly. Could the Justice League count as this? Probably does. I imagine they likely have a legal team. You know, that would be a cool idea for a TV show. It revolves around the team of Lawyers that constantly try to save the Justice League's ass.
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