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Post by diegorivera on May 15, 2011 9:33:26 GMT -5
This generation is like last generation and the one before that and so on: a few winners, a whole lot of losers. Nostalgia makes us believe that the endless stream of Mario/Sonic/Dragon Quest/Street Fighter clones were better than the endless stream of Halo/Gears of War/Guitar Hero/Pokemon clones. Also, previous generations didn't have to deal with the likes of Game Stop.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 15, 2011 9:53:14 GMT -5
This genration is as good as the 16 bit generation, I personally think it will be remembered as a golden era.
Motion Control, HD, 3D, the various music based games and the true rise and domination of Online has really pushed the boundaries of what a video game is. Sure games themselves clone a lot of what each other games do but that's always been the case.
As for DLC on the disc, i'm glad it's on the disc saves my memory on my hard-drive for more impoprtant things, plus god forbid these the companies that make the games we play actually want to make a profit.
So no not a failure I'd say a glorious victory instead.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on May 15, 2011 10:39:52 GMT -5
Ok.......In response to the question.....no.
As for personal thoughts on the myriad topics that have come up around the original quandry.
- On DLC in general: Good DLC to me is what seperates the GOOD games from the GREAT games. I'm not talking about some piddly "New Skins" or anything that gives the people that bought it a marked advantage over those that didn't. Any Expansion like DLC should also be released physically as well if possible though (Ala Undead Nighmare and Tales from Liberty City). AS for On-Disc DLC....I'm not against the practice, but I AM against promises of DLC that never come to fruition. I also believe that if what you're doing is downloading an "Unlock Code" it should not only be maked as such.....but should be like freaky cheap....no more than $2 for on disc DLC.
- On This Generation in general: I've played and owned every console of "This" Generation. MY thoughts are as follows. - Wii: Great System for families and casuals, but honestly when compared to the competition there's a percieved lack of depth to the system's roster of games. I truly believe that Nintendo got so used to being the 800lb gorilla of the industry in the NES-N64 era. While the casual market loves the Wii, 360's Kinect is closig that gap. - 360: As I said before, The Kinect is going along way to fix 360's image as "The thing that plays Halo and breaks". My only issue is that the Kinect has already been shown to be able to do FAR more than what the games produced for it allow, one has to wonder when the developers will do what the Hackers have already done? The only complaint I have with the 360 in general is having to pay for online then Pay AGAIN for DLC. I shouldn't have to pay anything in order to buy something. - PS3: I loved my PS3s (I've owned 2)...then PSN went down.....right after I plopped down $60 on one of the biggest releases this year. I decided that if it's not back up in 2 weeks I'll trade it in. It went nearly 3 with no sign of REAL improvement. While I enjoyed the PS3, and believe it actually gives the most connected and best integrated online experience when it works....but when it doesn't, well.....ask one of the millions (AND MILLIONS!) of angry PS3 owners.
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Post by smgalia on May 15, 2011 11:54:14 GMT -5
Hers my opinion on some of the topics on here:
DLC and updates: Thats not being lazy or whatever. Thats the developers finding glitches they may have missed due to the publisher being up their butt about a release date. And who would have given anything to have the original Sonic patched? Remember when you went super fast, the game would slow down? And I dont care about the dlc thing either. What, pay for something? And let these companies who give you the entertainment actually make money? For shame!
Replay Value: There are TONS of games out there with strong replay value. GTA, Saints Row, and the like. I think the arguement for no replay value is because we have short attention spans these days. For those older gamers like myself, we have put in monthes of replay in games like Mario, contra, Zelda. Its up to the person weather or not there is replay in something. My wife and I own pretty much all the Rock Band/Guitar Heroes and still go back to them, just to play them and enjoy.
I think the thing that ruined this gen of gaming (at least to me..this gen rules all) are parents...of 13 year olds who throw junior a 360 and COD and lock them away with no supervision and let them rant and rave on Live or PSN about race and sex.
To me, this gen is the best and gets better with L.A. Noire coming out on Tuesday. The tech they have developed for this will only get better with time. And didn't Call Of Duty break some sort of entertainment record? So it shows sales are good. Sure there are stinkers out there and rushed games based on movies that are sub-par, but remeber the 3DO and the Virtual Boy? This gen is safe
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Post by Monty Dawson on May 15, 2011 11:55:41 GMT -5
That's crazy talk! Wii changed videogames forever
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 12:20:19 GMT -5
I don't really see the problems with patches and DLC. Making video games is a very complex and expensive thing with releases dates set. Hell it's way harder to make a video game back then in every aspect plus the cost is like quadruple what it used to be. It's the reason why we haven't had a new generation of gaming for six years now because it's f***ing expensive to makes games now, imagine how much more expensive it is to make games the next generation. LA Noire cost like 70 million dollars I heard to make.
On DLC. We had those things too in the 90's, they were called expansion packs and only for the PC and PC version of games. Yes I'm not denying some DLC is cheap and way overpriced but it's still cheaper than a expansion pack in the 90's. I love how you can buy something like RDR Nightmare for 10 bucks on XBL/PSN then buying one of The Sims 1 expansion packs for 20-30 bucks.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 15, 2011 12:29:14 GMT -5
That's crazy talk! Wii changed videogames forever Unfortunately, it only half-succeeded in its mission. Despite selling in insanely high amounts, and codifying motion controls for the common consumer, the lower price point and lower development costs did not get Japanese 3rd parties scrambling back to the system to make core games the way they did for the NES and SNES. Most of those companies have still focused the vast majority of their efforts on the DS and PSP. When they do bring their IPs to a home console, they're outsourcing development to western developers (see Sega Rally Revo, Dead Rising 2 and Lost Planet 2 as examples). While there's nothing inherently WRONG with American/Canadian/European/etc. developed games, there ARE definitely some major differences in design philosophy. Mostly that western developers typically try to present a more open-ended experience, and stretch for Hollywood-style presentation when they have the budget to. Japanese design philosophy sticks fairly strictly to the developers making sure you have the exact gameplay experience that they want you to have, with everything tightly manipulated (to the point that 9 times out of 10, if there's a bug in the game, they were already aware of it, and intentionally chose to keep it in for stylistic reasons). Japanese companies aren't taking chances anymore (even their PSP output tends to be either ports or updated re-releases of old RPGs or Fighting games), and Western developers are only doing it very rarely (and when they do, it's usually for a downloadable game where they're not as beholden to a massive publisher's ship schedule). Now, going back to the Wii, aside from the motion controls, the system's output is frighteningly similar to the Gamecube's. A lot of good-selling first-party games, and a lot of shovelware, with the rare multiplatform port in bewteen. Third parties still aren't quite doing what they were for Nintendo in the 8 and 16 bit days (but at least we got MadWorld and No More Heroes out of them this gen).
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Post by Chainsaw on May 15, 2011 12:30:53 GMT -5
Gaming is strong, but it'll go down almost like how comics in the 90's went down. It became a speculative market, and more and more money went into it, and it collapsed under it's own weight as more publishers took a "me-too" approach to crating comics, ie follow the popular trend until it was no longer popular. You can see that kind of parallel happening now, as good studios are bought, and almost as quickly closed and stripped for parts after the games don't get the sales they want. This is different simply because most comic book companies didn't pay millions of dollars for one series.
I do find an irony in that the 360 generation started with rampant unit failures, and the PS3 generation may end with a massive system breakin, although I'm sure the PS3 is far from dead.
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Post by Monty Dawson on May 15, 2011 12:32:51 GMT -5
What exactly is going on with the Playstation network? I'm about to buy a PS3, but I may hold off if there's issues
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Post by Chainsaw on May 15, 2011 12:42:02 GMT -5
What exactly is going on with the Playstation network? I'm about to buy a PS3, but I may hold off if there's issues What, other than the fact that Sony had to shut it down for almost a month after hackers broke into it and made off with millions of people's online information...twice? Not much.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 15, 2011 12:43:38 GMT -5
What exactly is going on with the Playstation network? I'm about to buy a PS3, but I may hold off if there's issues What, other than the fact that Sony had to shut it down for almost a month after hackers broke into it and made off with millions of people's online information...twice? Not much. To be fair, the second time it was specifically DC Universe Online's servers (which means people who played that on PC and don't have a PS3 were affected as well), as opposed to PSN as a whole.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 15, 2011 12:47:08 GMT -5
What, other than the fact that Sony had to shut it down for almost a month after hackers broke into it and made off with millions of people's online information...twice? Not much. To be fair, the second time it was specifically DC Universe Online's servers (which means people who played that on PC and don't have a PS3 were affected as well), as opposed to PSN as a whole. Ah, didn't realize that was only game-specific. Thanks for clueing me in. What sucks is that that's one of the few MMO games I've been interested in, and knowing that kinda dampens my enthusiasm for it slightly.
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 15, 2011 13:53:00 GMT -5
Kitsune explained what I was trying to say a lot better than I did, but all I'm saying is each title feels like I'm playing the same game over and over.
I honestly can't put it into details, but to me, it doesn't feel fun playing games anymore. Everything is so competitive, to the point where I get sick of playing a game after about a half hour. Sometimes competitiveness can be enjoyable, but too much of it, which feels like the core of today's games, can suck the fun right out of it.
It's hard to explain, really. Call me bias, but as corny as a lot of the SNES/Genesis titles were, at least they were fun to play. Not ALL of them, obviously, but most of them.
It feels like I've been repeating the same word over and over, but really that's the source of my complaints.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 15, 2011 14:41:30 GMT -5
Kitsune explained what I was trying to say a lot better than I did, but all I'm saying is each title feels like I'm playing the same game over and over. I honestly can't put it into details, but to me, it doesn't feel fun playing games anymore. Everything is so competitive, to the point where I get sick of playing a game after about a half hour. Sometimes competitiveness can be enjoyable, but too much of it, which feels like the core of today's games, can suck the fun right out of it. It's hard to explain, really. Call me bias, but as corny as a lot of the SNES/Genesis titles were, at least they were fun to play. Not ALL of them, obviously, but most of them. It feels like I've been repeating the same word over and over, but really that's the source of my complaints. Oddly enough, the Death of Arcades has a lot to do with this (at least in my opinion). We're not seeing games made that can be picked-up-and-played so much anymore, and the few games we see left in the arcade sphere these days are set up on the same competitive and "stop-having-fun-guys" wavelengths as most online games now (Blazblue, Street Fighter 4 AE, Initial D, DDR/ITG).
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Post by Joe Galt on May 15, 2011 15:00:16 GMT -5
I have been a gamer since I was 5 back in 1986 with Super Mario Brothers, and will say enthusiastically that it is a great time to be a gamer!
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Post by Red Impact on May 15, 2011 15:03:27 GMT -5
Kitsune explained what I was trying to say a lot better than I did, but all I'm saying is each title feels like I'm playing the same game over and over. I honestly can't put it into details, but to me, it doesn't feel fun playing games anymore. Everything is so competitive, to the point where I get sick of playing a game after about a half hour. Sometimes competitiveness can be enjoyable, but too much of it, which feels like the core of today's games, can suck the fun right out of it. It's hard to explain, really. Call me bias, but as corny as a lot of the SNES/Genesis titles were, at least they were fun to play. Not ALL of them, obviously, but most of them. It feels like I've been repeating the same word over and over, but really that's the source of my complaints. Oddly enough, the Death of Arcades has a lot to do with this (at least in my opinion). We're not seeing games made that can be picked-up-and-played so much anymore, and the few games we see left in the arcade sphere these days are set up on the same competitive and "stop-having-fun-guys" wavelengths as most online games now (Blazblue, Street Fighter 4 AE, Initial D, DDR/ITG). So does age. Let's face it, if you were growing up in the NES and Genesis era... this isn't new ground for you. You've likely been playing games for more than a decade, you've seen this stuff before, and nostalgia is kicking in more and more. My title shelf includes a lot of games that aren't competitively driven, but yeah, even I don't game as much as I used to back in the Genesis days.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 15, 2011 15:06:40 GMT -5
Ok.......In response to the question.....no. As for personal thoughts on the myriad topics that have come up around the original quandry. - On DLC in general: Good DLC to me is what seperates the GOOD games from the GREAT games. I'm not talking about some piddly "New Skins" or anything that gives the people that bought it a marked advantage over those that didn't. Any Expansion like DLC should also be released physically as well if possible though (Ala Undead Nighmare and Tales from Liberty City). AS for On-Disc DLC....I'm not against the practice, but I AM against promises of DLC that never come to fruition. I also believe that if what you're doing is downloading an "Unlock Code" it should not only be maked as such.....but should be like freaky cheap....no more than $2 for on disc DLC. - On This Generation in general: I've played and owned every console of "This" Generation. MY thoughts are as follows. - Wii: Great System for families and casuals, but honestly when compared to the competition there's a percieved lack of depth to the system's roster of games. I truly believe that Nintendo got so used to being the 800lb gorilla of the industry in the NES-N64 era. While the casual market loves the Wii, 360's Kinect is closig that gap. - 360: As I said before, The Kinect is going along way to fix 360's image as "The thing that plays Halo and breaks". My only issue is that the Kinect has already been shown to be able to do FAR more than what the games produced for it allow, one has to wonder when the developers will do what the Hackers have already done? The only complaint I have with the 360 in general is having to pay for online then Pay AGAIN for DLC. I shouldn't have to pay anything in order to buy something.- PS3: I loved my PS3s (I've owned 2)...then PSN went down.....right after I plopped down $60 on one of the biggest releases this year. I decided that if it's not back up in 2 weeks I'll trade it in. It went nearly 3 with no sign of REAL improvement. While I enjoyed the PS3, and believe it actually gives the most connected and best integrated online experience when it works....but when it doesn't, well.....ask one of the millions (AND MILLIONS!) of angry PS3 owners. You don't have to pay for it, if you don't want to do the MP stuff, or netflix stuff, each one has the free silver membership, which still allows you to DL DLC.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 15, 2011 15:12:24 GMT -5
If there's one thing to love about the current generation of games, it's the immersiveness of it. You seriously can get lost in a game world if you're not careful, and a lot of that comes because of not just the amazing graphics, but the great writing, the kind that makes you want to push on for that next moment, that next surprise, that next revelation. I keep getting that feeling with games like Fallout 3 and Fable, where you feel like your actions have more effect on a world than you think they would.
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Post by Dub H on May 15, 2011 15:22:24 GMT -5
i seriousl like this generation,the consoles are good. Sure there is bad stuff,like every other generation.But it been some a-ma-zing stuff.and the online connection allows the creator to fix broken things.
I could go on and onbut all i say its a very good generation.with alot of bad stuff,but even more good stuff
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 15, 2011 15:22:44 GMT -5
Oddly enough, the Death of Arcades has a lot to do with this (at least in my opinion). We're not seeing games made that can be picked-up-and-played so much anymore, and the few games we see left in the arcade sphere these days are set up on the same competitive and "stop-having-fun-guys" wavelengths as most online games now (Blazblue, Street Fighter 4 AE, Initial D, DDR/ITG). So does age. Let's face it, if you were growing up in the NES and Genesis era... this isn't new ground for you. You've likely been playing games for more than a decade, you've seen this stuff before, and nostalgia is kicking in more and more. My title shelf includes a lot of games that aren't competitively driven, but yeah, even I don't game as much as I used to back in the Genesis days. Exactly. I find myself being less and less interested in games the more they come out. Kitsune used the right word before; over-saturated. If there was one word I'd use to describe today's gaming generation, it'd be that. It's pretty much the same thing that happened in the mid '80s. I only own a 360, but with the lack of interesting games, and XBL Gold costing as much as a new release game, my 360 is sitting there collecting dust. I'll play a few games here and there, some from my arcade collection (Castle Crashers, Symphony of the Night, Streets of Rage 2), but that's about it. I was planning on getting a PS3 due to the free online and some titles that interested me, but after the whole PSN incident recently, I'm thinking of not going through with it. I don't own a Wii since motion controls kind of ruins the experience for me, but I do get why most love it. That's why I usually stick with my DS-Lite titles (I refuse to buy the 3DS, f*** 3D), and emulators.
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