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Post by The Booty Disciple on May 26, 2011 17:20:11 GMT -5
As for pizza, yes drivers usually make a decent wage, a delivery charge, and tips, but dont forget that besides gas they pay for increased wear and tear on their vehicles. Constantly starting and stopping, turning on the engine multiple times a night, etc can really shorten the life of a vehicle. So if you get your order complete, hot and fresh, tip well, especially if you are far from the store. Oh don't get me wrong, I totally understand that and it's why I tip delivery drivers so well. I bought a used car with 30,000 miles on it specifically for pizza delivery back in 2006, and that car has been dead for 2 years now. But I think the point remains. Is it really fair for delivery drivers to make $100 in tips and mileage on a Friday night when a server is making the same thing but is also earning $4 an hour less? I really don't think so. And before someone jumps on my case saying "no pizza delivery guy brings home $100 a night". It's possible. I did it damn near every Friday and Saturday back in 2006 and I live in a small town. I know that the economy has gotten worse since then and back in 2009 the most I ever made in one night was $75, but again..I live in a small town. I'm fairly certain that in a bigger city, I could have easily made $100 + on weekends. Domino's was a f***ing awesome job for a youngster. Yeah, that's a pretty lame argument as well. Sure, two or three nights a week, you have a banner night, but then there's the ultra-slow nights. I don't know how many pizzas you moved on a Monday, but lemme tell ya, Monday nights were not ones I ever wanted to work. Bartenders did okay during football season, but man, on the floor, you'd be lucky to walk out breaking even. It sucks to have a night where you pull down $100...only to have that followed by two nights of $20 in tips. Worse for drivers, I'm sure, since if you made $20, you probably spent $7-10 of it on gas.
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Post by bibboid on May 26, 2011 17:21:02 GMT -5
There were a number of bars that I used to frequent where you would order your drink at the bar and take it back to your own table to drink it. Some patrons would order a round of beers, pay for them, and throw out a buck for the tip jar. Other patrons (like me) would wait until the end of the night and leave a tip according to how good their service was. The bartenders who knew me gave me good service and got good tips. The bartenders who ignored me for 'not tipping' would get pushed aside by the ones who knew me.
I also once had a girl who criticized my tipping style. I told the owner what she said to me. She never worked there again.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on May 26, 2011 17:23:50 GMT -5
Yeah...a cardinal rule of service is not to criticize the patron to their face. That's what the wait station/back bar is for.
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Post by Alucard on May 26, 2011 17:35:20 GMT -5
Quit being cheap and tip. 3 minutes is nothing. That.
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Post by theryno665 on May 26, 2011 17:38:08 GMT -5
I like to give them a tip...and the shaft!
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Post by Son of Abyss on May 26, 2011 17:52:41 GMT -5
I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job. -Mr.Pink
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Post by @TenaciousBe on May 26, 2011 18:31:57 GMT -5
I like to tip based on service, but more and more lately, I'm hearing about places where the server doesn't even get THEIR tip, the tips are all combined and equally distributed at the end of the shift. That don't seem right to me. Giving a tip is my special thank you to the person who took care of whatever I needed at that restaurant/bar/wherever.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2011 18:44:58 GMT -5
I love being in Britain.
My system is:
0% tip. Pretty much all the time. I'd say 99% of occasions. You get a tip if I think you were f***ing awesome.
But then, Britain's different.
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Post by hulkblood on May 26, 2011 18:52:09 GMT -5
Ive always wanted to know this but how does the pay system in the USA work? over here in the UK we have the national minimum wage which means employers are bound by law to pay a reasonable wage so people can cover the cost of living do you guys have something like that? National minimum wage is $7.25/hour US, which is mandated by the federal government. Unfortunately, that doesn't cover tipped employees. Bartenders, servers/wait staff, anyone that makes over a certain amount (depending by state, at least when I was in management) in cash gratuity can be paid as little as $2.13/hour. Ostensibly, as I stated above, the employer is supposed to make up the difference if one doesn't make it up in gratuity, but again, that can only be accomplished of an employee reports a net income (100 percent of tips included) over the entire pay period. That hardly ever happens, since it's easier and more lucrative on a good day to simply declare a set percentage of sales. Keep in mind, there are some states that enforce the federal minimum wage for tipped employees too, but they're few and far between. According to most of the trade information I read when I was working in the industry, tipping percentages there are often lower as well. The hell of that situation now is that with credit/debit becoming more and more widespread as primary ways to make payment, the gratuity is added in to the total check amount in the POS system, and is automatically declared on many systems. The gratuity is paid out at the end of the shift when the employee does their audit and reconciles with the register. Thankfully, there's often an option to simply declare a certain percentage of their credit/debit sales, however, there's no guarantee that they'll make the assumed percentage in gratuity. thanks man i was always curious to see how the pay system worked over the pond kinda sucks for the waiters/bartenders etc. have got to rely on tips to make a decent wage if im ever back in the USA ill be sure to give them a decent tip.
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Post by Derk! on May 26, 2011 19:11:56 GMT -5
If it's great service I give a lot. Usually, whatever ones I have sitting in my wallet, (I normally have a bunch in there), I give to them. If I'm the main one paying for a group meal, I ask everyone to pitch in with me....
Even if the service is so-so, I try to leave something...
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on May 26, 2011 19:32:49 GMT -5
Didnt we do this thread a couple of months ago?
Basically the crux of the argument was that we should not be expected to tip. We are not obligated to pay you your wage. The people you work for are the ones short changing you, not us, the customer. If you provide good service, then I absolutely have no problem complimenting you. But half-arsing it and expecting 15% means you can suck it.
Im from England, a country where food service workers are covered by minimum wage, so Im sorry if I dont come across as sympathetic.
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Post by Perd on May 26, 2011 19:46:16 GMT -5
I'm an over-tipper.
One time, a friend and I were eating at a restaurant. Our waiter was horrendous. He wasn't rude or anything, but it was obvious he was overwhelmed by his job. He was so bad, that when he brought us the check, he apologized, and said that he didn't earn or want a tip. We still tipped him like ten bucks on a thirty dollar tab. His apology was sort of charming.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on May 26, 2011 20:04:44 GMT -5
I'm an over-tipper. One time, a friend and I were eating at a restaurant. Our waiter was horrendous. He wasn't rude or anything, but it was obvious he was overwhelmed by his job. He was so bad, that when he brought us the check, he apologized, and said that he didn't earn or want a tip. We still tipped him like ten bucks on a thirty dollar tab. His apology was sort of charming. See, that I can understand. My pet peeve is a bad attitude. Yes, I know if I go to your restaurant on a Friday or Saturday night, the place will probably be swamped. I know I'm not your only table, but at least show some grain of evidence that you wanna serve me. Don't sigh loudly when I ask you for something or mumble "whatever" (yes, these two things happened to me). That's when the tipping rules go out the window.
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Post by h on May 26, 2011 20:49:53 GMT -5
I've worked in food service for a few years, so I'm definitely sympathetic to what the servers are going through. Unless the service is truly awful, I'll always leave a tip.
One thing that definitely bothers me, though, is the constantly rising expectation for tipping percentages. I remember when it was 10%. Then it went to 15%. Then 17.5%. Then 18%. Now the default tip option when I pay with a credit card is 20%.
I've got no problem with 15%. I'm happy to do it. I find the expectation of 20% to be absurd, though. I recognize that the cost of living has gone up and all that, but that includes the cost of restaurant meals. A few years back, I was expected to tip $7.50 on a $50 meal. Now the same meal costs $75, and I'm expected to tip $15. That math just doesn't work for me.
I do feel that I balance my "stinginess" with not being a hassle for the server.
You're busy right now, but you can refill my drink in a few minutes? Not a problem.
The cook didn't see my order sitting there, so he hasn't started cooking it yet? Not a problem.
You spilled tea in my lap? Not a problem.
I ordered a side of onion rings, and I got french fries instead? Not a problem. In fact, I won't even say anything when the bill comes and still has that extra $1.49 charge for upgrading my side to the onion rings that I didn't get.
I'm all about treating the server with respect, politeness, and empathy. I just hope they can appreciate that and not judge me for the measly $11 tip.
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Post by Kash Flagg on May 26, 2011 23:41:10 GMT -5
I'm generally a good tipper for good service . Bad service gets them a 12 cent tip. I feel that's more insulting.
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Post by MGH on May 26, 2011 23:45:23 GMT -5
I'm generally a good tipper for good service . Bad service gets them a 12 cent tip. I feel that's more insulting. And as someone who worked as a waiter for 4 years waaaay back in the day, I can tell you it really is a bigger slap in the face than not tipping at all. At least if it's nothing you can say it was because they forgot or they just don't believe in it. Someone leaving you a handful of pennies or something is a direct eff you.
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Post by Young Game on May 26, 2011 23:56:14 GMT -5
You know those bags of little plastic animals you can get at dollar stores?
After some particularly horrible service at Denny's one night, I left the little cow on it's side with a note that read "The cow was worth a tip. Unfortunately you weren't.".
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2011 2:02:07 GMT -5
You're a cool dude Diesel, but wasn't there a HUGE thread about tipping a few weeks back? It had some heated discussions going on so it stands out in my head
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Post by The Ichi on May 27, 2011 10:50:16 GMT -5
You know those bags of little plastic animals you can get at dollar stores? After some particularly horrible service at Denny's one night, I left the little cow on it's side with a note that read "The cow was worth a tip. Unfortunately you weren't.". That's awesome.
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Post by angryfan on May 27, 2011 11:29:09 GMT -5
I love being in Britain. My system is: 0% tip. Pretty much all the time. I'd say 99% of occasions. You get a tip if I think you were f***ing awesome. But then, Britain's different. I noticed that same line of thought all over Europe. Tipping was an extreme rarity. I never quite understood why, maybe the servers and waitstaff people make more over there as opposeed to the $2.13 an hour many get here. My policy on tipping has always been simple, I will tip if I can, unless there is an extreme circumstance. I mean, if I go into a place, and I have just enough on me to cover my portion of the bill, I won't tip because I have no money to tip with. However, I'll usually point out, "sorry, broke, just enough to cover the check" and do my best to make it up the next time around. I will admit, I hate giving low tips but will do it for a few reasons. For example, a few years ago we were all out to eat and the food came back not just undercooked but to the point that it might be unhealthy to eat it. We pointed it out, and his response was "you ordered it that way". I asked for it to be remade, he said no, then handed us the check. Yeah, when he found out he didn't get a tip, he actually followed us outside to run his mouth. We just left, figuring it was probably his last night working there or something.
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