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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 22, 2010 17:01:35 GMT -5
since the angle got bumped forward that means the match will be bumped forward to 2 weeks before Mania
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 22, 2010 17:41:30 GMT -5
And when you're wrong will you make sure to bump this thread with "plans changed"? No, I'll bump it with my educated guess was wrong. But at least I fully admit to my specuation being nothing more than a guess, rather than taking something that I see on raw, making an admittedly very reasonable educated guess, and passing it off as insider information, using "plans changed at the last minute" as an out when my guess is wrong. Meltzer has interviewed and is on good terms with so many people in the industry that I don't doubt that he hears this stuff from the lips of people in the company. Hell, he's interviewed at least 4 WWE writers in the last year on his show alone. He's not making stuff up from thin air. He has contacts and is as respected a journalist as wrestling has. People just like to lump him in with the C&P hamburgers like Ryan Clark, because A) they jump to immediate condemnation out of strange company loyalty, and B) like the "Newz" they so beoman, they do ZERO RESEARCH to find out who actually said what and what context it was in. IRONY. Not just what Iron tastes like. The "Plans change" thing is less a loophole for Meltzer and more that Vince McMahon is insane and changes his mind constantly - sometimes the day of the show. Triple H himself has mocked Vince publically for it in interviews.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 19:52:44 GMT -5
I doubt it. Cena wins the Rumble, beats Punk at Elimination Chamber, and moves on to feud with Miz.
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Post by bob on Dec 22, 2010 19:54:25 GMT -5
Credit: Wrestling Observer - Triple H will have an increased role at TV tapings in the coming weeks, similar to what he did during the overseas tour. It was said to be a less stressful environment with him running the show than with Vince McMahon. - The CM Punk/John Cena angle was originally scheduled for early January, but got bumped forward. The preliminary plan is that it will be a WrestleMania match. I'm getting very excited about both of these things
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Post by Widow's Peak on Dec 22, 2010 20:11:53 GMT -5
As much as I dislike HHH as a wrestler, I do think that he would have a very positive influence on the product backstage. And the idea of Punk getting a headlining program with Cena at Wrestlemania makes me very happy.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 22, 2010 20:40:33 GMT -5
Interesting that they're setting up Punk for a WM match with Cena. However, I doubt they'll make it that far. And even if they did, I don't think they're going to paint Punk as a serious threat to Cena. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Dec 22, 2010 21:04:56 GMT -5
Whether Punk's a threat or not, we already know he has a lot to say anti-Cena (from the promo he cut on Cena's no-mercy at TLC, and the Slammy Award speech, etc.) he'll easily get the majority of the over-Cena-exposed crowd eating out of the palm of his hand throughout the fued.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 22, 2010 21:32:43 GMT -5
Cena over Punk. 7 seconds. Punk spends ten minutes screaming at the ref "he pulled my hair".
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Post by joeskvorecky on Dec 22, 2010 21:34:48 GMT -5
you know, Punk and Cena have had very good matches, and I have no doubt a feud between them can be beautiful
but damn, I'd rather have Danielson/Punk at Wrestlemania
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Post by mrjl on Dec 22, 2010 21:40:03 GMT -5
Whether Punk's a threat or not, we already know he has a lot to say anti-Cena (from the promo he cut on Cena's no-mercy at TLC, and the Slammy Award speech, etc.) he'll easily get the majority of the over-Cena-exposed crowd eating out of the palm of his hand throughout the fued. we don't know the Slammy speech was about Cena. I'd say Orton was a better fit. Cena could just be first.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 22, 2010 21:45:15 GMT -5
Whether Punk's a threat or not, we already know he has a lot to say anti-Cena (from the promo he cut on Cena's no-mercy at TLC, and the Slammy Award speech, etc.) he'll easily get the majority of the over-Cena-exposed crowd eating out of the palm of his hand throughout the fued. we don't know the Slammy speech was about Cena. I'd say Orton was a better fit. Cena could just be first. I don't think they could have made it more obvious that it was about Cena. He makes the speech during Raw, only comes out during the PPV that Sunday to comment on Cena's match, and then attacks him the next night on Raw. I'm saying this now and you can quote me on it. I'll eat a hat if it's not Cena vs Punk at Mania in some way.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 22, 2010 21:45:49 GMT -5
HHH running the show? OMG everyone's getting berries! Strawberry or Raspberry? Gummyberries. HHH believes that will lead to high adventure that's beyond compare, on the shows.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 22, 2010 21:50:00 GMT -5
Meltzer has interviewed and is on good terms with so many people in the industry that I don't doubt that he hears this stuff from the lips of people in the company. Then why didn't we hear about this before they planted the seeds for it on the air? There have been plenty of times where his "insider information" can easily be deduced by regular fans who follow the product simply based on what is on television. They plant the seeds for a Punk/Cena feud on two separate occasions on TV, and out of the blue, Meltzer has insider info that they're planning a Punk/Cena feud that may or may not stretch to mania. Well no shit, sherlock. Thanks for the news flash. Then explain why he flip-flopped so many times during the Daniel Bryan fiasco? He changed his story so many times that even he eventually gave up and admitted he had no idea what's going on. "The best of the worst" isn't necessarily good. I've seen him flipflop on the Bryan thing. I've seen him use the "plans change" card to cover his ass when he guesses wrong too many times. I've seen him be completely wrong too many times. You want to believe in him? Fine. Wanna pay 10 bucks a subscription? It's your money. But to me, he's nothing more than a guy living off of his past reputation, knowing that if he doesn't have real information, he can completely make it up and nobody can prove it. And given the amount of times he's flip-flopped, been completely wrong, and used the "plans changed" card.....he may not be making it all up, but the amount of stuff that he pulls out of his ass is not insignificant. It also gives newz sites an automatic out to maintain whatever shred of credibility they have whenever they're found to be wrong yet again.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Dec 22, 2010 22:01:09 GMT -5
since the angle got bumped forward that means the match will be bumped forward to 2 weeks before Mania Knowing WWE, the match will be bumped forward to this week's Raw where Cena wins in 4 minutes. Just for good measure, Cena will eliminate Punk from the Rumble as soon as Punk gets into the ring and will make him tap at the Elimination Chamber. ;D I kid, but it's hard to imagine them having the creativity to build this until Mania.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 22, 2010 22:17:06 GMT -5
Well on the plus side, we may see Punk get a 1 month title reign after winning in the Chamber, only to lose to Cena at Mania.
Seriously, the guy has 1 loss at Mania, and he has fought for a championship every time (first match was for the US)
I truly have Cena Nuff.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 23, 2010 0:29:35 GMT -5
Meltzer has interviewed and is on good terms with so many people in the industry that I don't doubt that he hears this stuff from the lips of people in the company. Then why didn't we hear about this before they planted the seeds for it on the air? There have been plenty of times where his "insider information" can easily be deduced by regular fans who follow the product simply based on what is on television. They plant the seeds for a Punk/Cena feud on two separate occasions on TV, and out of the blue, Meltzer has insider info that they're planning a Punk/Cena feud that may or may not stretch to mania. Well no s***, sherlock. Thanks for the news flash. Then explain why he flip-flopped so many times during the Daniel Bryan fiasco? He changed his story so many times that even he eventually gave up and admitted he had no idea what's going on. "The best of the worst" isn't necessarily good. I've seen him flipflop on the Bryan thing. I've seen him use the "plans change" card to cover his ass when he guesses wrong too many times. I've seen him be completely wrong too many times. You want to believe in him? Fine. Wanna pay 10 bucks a subscription? It's your money. But to me, he's nothing more than a guy living off of his past reputation, knowing that if he doesn't have real information, he can completely make it up and nobody can prove it. And given the amount of times he's flip-flopped, been completely wrong, and used the "plans changed" card.....he may not be making it all up, but the amount of stuff that he pulls out of his ass is not insignificant. It also gives newz sites an automatic out to maintain whatever shred of credibility they have whenever they're found to be wrong yet again. Did you read the actual Observer newsletter that was pilfered from and then pasted into a second-rate news-site? Did you read the intended context in the actual document? - one that didn't paint Meltzer as "breaking this news", but rather that, as of this moment, the tentative plan was maybe riding it out to Wrestlemania? I.e. Creative is spit-balling, and this is what they have as of right now? Is it really so farfetched to believe that a stooge maybe called Dave, and said, “Ya, at the meeting Vince said, ‘I think maybe we’ll ride this Cena/Punk thing out until Mania?’” I'm just saying, because your anti-Meltzer stance seems to be fueled by the fact that you feel that Meltzer is taking full credit for this information, instead of what it really was, a passing comment/ update on where Creative’s heads are at this moment. You’re reading FAR TOO MUCH into it. People heap their NEWZ hate onto Meltzer because his name is the most prominent. He’s become the faceless icon of newz, despite the fact that the actual guy has amassed quite an impressive resume in this business, unlike the hacks. If you read the legit newsletter, you'd see it's pretty damn professional, and contains none of the newzy connotations hack sites like to add to it, and then claim he said. Oh, and for the record, I do pay for it and read it. And thus have an unbiased view of both Meltzer’s stance and WWE’s – and then draw my own conclusions from there. You can’t bemoan and mock something if you haven’t read it/ have no concept of it. That’d be as bad as someone saying John Cena sucks, despite having never seen him wrestle, just because you’ve decided you hate muscle-bound guys with catchphrases. It’s painting a guy with a broad brush because you hate what you think he’s accused of being. It’s silly, and comes across as kind of ignorant.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 23, 2010 5:45:58 GMT -5
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here.
I am 1000% confident Miz v. Cena will happen at WM27.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 23, 2010 5:56:07 GMT -5
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. I am 1000% confident Miz v. Cena will happen at WM27. I'd rather see Miz vs Orton and Cena vs Punk both being blowoff matches at Mania. You could build it as Orton finally getting his revenge on Miz. And Punk could be revealed to be behind Nexus, and end that storyline at Mania. Heck throw in Sheamus vs Triple H, and that would give 3 matches with builds that had been going on before the Rumble.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 23, 2010 7:03:43 GMT -5
Did you read the actual Observer newsletter that was pilfered from and then pasted into a second-rate news-site? Did you read the intended context in the actual document? - one that didn't paint Meltzer as "breaking this news", but rather that, as of this moment, the tentative plan was maybe riding it out to Wrestlemania? I.e. Creative is spit-balling, and this is what they have as of right now? Is it really so farfetched to believe that a stooge maybe called Dave, and said, “Ya, at the meeting Vince said, ‘I think maybe we’ll ride this Cena/Punk thing out until Mania?’” I'm just saying, because your anti-Meltzer stance seems to be fueled by the fact that you feel that Meltzer is taking full credit for this information, instead of what it really was, a passing comment/ update on where Creative’s heads are at this moment. You’re reading FAR TOO MUCH into it. None of this changes the fact that you just got finished paying 10 bucks to read something that you should have known anyway just by watching Raw. Raw planted the seeds of a Punk/Cena feud. You didn't need Meltzer to tell you that. "Creative may or may not carry the feud to Wrestlemania". That's Rajah territory there. Seriously, that's nothing more than guesswork and speculation. And even then -- these are two top WWE stars. They're obviously going to carry the feud at least for a little while. Wrestlemania? Maybe, maybe not. My money's still on Cena/Miz. But again -- I watched raw and have been watching wrestling for 30 years. I don't need Meltzer telling me something I already knew by watching raw and could speculate upon myself based on 30 years of watching WWE programming and what I see on TV. And you don't think that he could possibly be sponging off his past reputation? You don't think he's completely made stuff up or just went off educated guesses/speculation based on what's on TV like the rest of us, knowing that there's no way to prove he's making it up? His entire "business" is based on people of (at best) questionable integrity working in an industry of questionable integrity telling him stuff they have no business telling him, and he's supposed to be the one that's honest 100% of the time? That's the textbook definition of naive. No, it would be like seeing John Cena on free TV a few times and saying the guy sucks based on what I saw on free TV. I wouldn't need to waste my money on PPVs to justify my own opinion. If the guy sucked on free TV, why would I spend money on PPVs? I saw him flip flop on the Bryan issue. Even here, he's just speculating based on what we all saw on free TV, claiming to have insider info, and passing it off as "news". His entire career is based on making statements that cannot possibly be proven one way or the other, and he's got convenient outs like "Plans changed" whenever something goes wrong. From seeing all that, I've deduced the guy sucks. I don't need to spend 10 bucks a month to justify my opinion. If you want to throw away 120 bucks a year on him, go right ahead, but to me lighting it on fire is a better use for it. At least you'll keep warm for a minute.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 23, 2010 7:10:48 GMT -5
we don't know the Slammy speech was about Cena. I'd say Orton was a better fit. Cena could just be first. I don't think they could have made it more obvious that it was about Cena. He makes the speech during Raw, only comes out during the PPV that Sunday to comment on Cena's match, and then attacks him the next night on Raw. I'm saying this now and you can quote me on it. I'll eat a hat if it's not Cena vs Punk at Mania in some way. enjoy your hat. I don't think they'll stretch the feud to Mania. Especially since if they did they'd probabably also have to stretch out Orton/Miz.
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