SAJ Forth
Wade Wilson
Jamaican WCF Crazy!
Half Man-Half Amazing
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 23, 2010 19:39:25 GMT -5
Some of this stuff requires that I putthis thread on file.
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mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by mrjl on Dec 23, 2010 20:23:10 GMT -5
At Mania? His match against Mysterio at WM26 didn't involve a championship. He's talking Cena. Anyway, I think this could easily be stretched to WM: January: Punk claims to be an announcer/too injured to wrestle, eliminates Cena in RR. Feb: Both in EC (putting the title on either optional) March/April: Various tag leading to the Mania match That said, I don't know they do it, just it is easily possible. him wearing tights in his last attack makes me think that he's about to return to the ring.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 23, 2010 22:37:30 GMT -5
From seeing all that, I've deduced the guy sucks. I don't need to spend 10 bucks a month to justify my opinion. If you want to throw away 120 bucks a year on him, go right ahead, but to me lighting it on fire is a better use for it. At least you'll keep warm for a minute. Yes, you do, because your opinion is flawed & ignorant. What you've read is simply bastardized versions of his work, with things changed - and then credited to him anyway. You're assuming, while truly knowing nothing of which you speak, because you never read the very thing you're criticizing. You can't judge something on a whole rationally if you don't have all the facts. It's as simple as that. And the more silly analogies you make about setting fire to it doesn't change the fact that you're the one making uneducated blanket statements. An opinion is only worth something if you have all sides in front of you. Otherwise it’s just fueled by hate, paranoia and blind prejudice; creating a scapegoat for a medium you’ve readily decided you hate. Order the newsletter for a month. Draw your conclusions from there. That’s all I ask. Ten bucks to at least know the materiel you so vehemently criticize. I'll respect you & your opinion so much more when you’re more well-rounded, and actually know what you’re talking about.
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randomranter
Dennis Stamp
When you grow up....... YOU'RE GONNA BE WROOOOOONG!!!!
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Post by randomranter on Dec 23, 2010 22:56:19 GMT -5
From seeing all that, I've deduced the guy sucks. I don't need to spend 10 bucks a month to justify my opinion. If you want to throw away 120 bucks a year on him, go right ahead, but to me lighting it on fire is a better use for it. At least you'll keep warm for a minute. Yes, you do, because your opinion is flawed & ignorant. What you've read is simply bastardized versions of his work, with things changed - and then credited to him anyway. You're assuming, while truly knowing nothing of which you speak, because you never read the very thing you're criticizing. You can't judge something on a whole rationally if you don't have all the facts. It's as simple as that. And the more silly analogies you make about setting fire to it doesn't change the fact that you're the one making uneducated blanket statements. An opinion is only worth something if you have all sides in front of you. Otherwise it’s just fueled by hate, paranoia and blind prejudice; creating a scapegoat for a medium you’ve readily decided you hate. Order the newsletter for a month. Draw your conclusions from there. That’s all I ask. Ten bucks to at least know the materiel you so vehemently criticize. I'll respect you & your opinion so much more when you’re more well-rounded, and actually know what you’re talking about. I don't need to waste my money to justify my opinion. And what I read isn't the "bastardized versions of his work." I don't read or trust any of the cut-and-paste newz sites and damn well know they'll use anything even remotely resembling a reputable source if it thinks it'll give their made up newz more credibility. 98% of my online wrestling experience is from these forums. The news I read that I attribute to Meltzer is the news that trusted posters have said he wrote. Stuff such as this. Meltzer said there's going to be a Punk/Cena feud that may or may not carry to Mania. Not wrestlenewzzzz.com making up crap and attributing it to him. Meltzer himself. So it's not some "bastardized version of his work". And my opinion still stands -- the only difference between you and me is that you spent 10 bucks to get "inside information" that I already knew simply by watching the product. As i and others have pointed out, they've dropped hints at a Punk/Cena feud for a while now, so Meltzer's "news" isn't really news at all. As for the HHH thing, there's no way to prove that right or wrong unless you work there. He very well could be in that position, or he may spend the entire day playing X-box with Golddust. Unless you work there, there's no way to prove if he's right or if he just pulled that out of his ass. Vince is getting up there in years, so I would expect him to at least start scaling back his involvement in the product and beginning to pass the torch. With Shane no longer officially part of the company, the next logical choice of who's going to take Vince's place is Steph and HHH. I don't need Meltzer or anyone else telling me this, as I can derive that from factual information that's been well known for a while now. I fully expect that, at some point, HHH is going to gain more and more control and have an increased backstage role. At what point that is, exactly what his role is, etc. I do not know, nor do I need to know. Even if Meltzer is 100% correct, that's something that anyone who follows the product could reasonably guess with some degree of accuracy based on proven information that's already out there. We all followed the Bryan fiasco. Lots of people on this thread continuously reported Meltzer's take on things -- Not his "bastardized" version, either. And he flip-flopped. Repeatedly. And eventually once he ran out of possible options, he all-but-admitted he had no real idea what was going on either. Like I said, if you're happy spending 10 bucks on his product, more power to you, but I think the guy is full of crap and absolutely refuse to spend money on the online equivalent of a supermarket tabloid, especially just to justify my opinion to some guy on the internet who I will never meet. I'm not exactly going to lose any sleep if that lessens the value of my opinion in your eyes. I'm not going to lose 10 bucks over it either.
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Post by corndog on Dec 23, 2010 23:07:14 GMT -5
If HHH taking over booking directly influences a clean Punk title win over Cena at WrestleMania, then I will cry with laughter. Not out of my hatred for Cena, but because of HHH's reputation on the net, and him seemingly doing a solid for the IWC. I can't speak for the entire IWC, but most people here seem to be for him running the shows. The debate is that alot of people(myself included) don't want him to do so and remain part of the active roster. Just because he always go over has no bearing on how he will book a show.
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randomranter
Dennis Stamp
When you grow up....... YOU'RE GONNA BE WROOOOOONG!!!!
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Post by randomranter on Dec 23, 2010 23:17:55 GMT -5
Then again, may I suggest if you hate reading his stuff, stop reading them, skip those posts and save those of us that trust guys like him from reading the same tired and flawed argument over and over again? I'll actually give the guy credit for one thing -- if i could get people to spend 10 bucks a month to read my opinion, I'd do it too. What crawls directly under my skin is when he writes something which is barely more than a well-written recap of what we see on TV, and people act as if it's a revelation from the heavens. Or when his reports consist of stuff that cannot be proven one way or the other and people treat it as if it's etched in stone. He's in an industry where 99% of his "colleagues" (using the term very loosely) make up crap or steal each others' work. His entire business model is based around a bunch of dishonest people telling him stuff that they have no business telling him. He's reporting on an industry entirely built on fiction, where backsabbing, backstage politics, and who you're f***ing can get you further than actual talent. Yet in all of that, we're supposed to believe that he of all people -- essentially an online tabloid journalist -- is the honest one? He is the one who never makes up crap or would never lie or sensationalize something for a few extra bucks/web hits? Sorry, not buying it. Like I said -- I almost don't blame him; if I were able to get people to spend 10 bucks to read my drivel, I'd do it too. It is a pet peeve of mine to see a whole bunch of other people treat what he says as if it's the word of God himself, especially when his overall track record isn't all that much better than most long-time wrestling fans. rant over.
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saintpat
El Dandy
Release the hounds!!!
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Post by saintpat on Dec 23, 2010 23:33:26 GMT -5
I still firmly believe that WM27 will be built around Goldberg vs. Bryan Danielson
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Post by maximilian on Dec 23, 2010 23:42:44 GMT -5
If HHH taking over booking directly influences a clean Punk title win over Cena at WrestleMania, then I will cry with laughter. Not out of my hatred for Cena, but because of HHH's reputation on the net, and him seemingly doing a solid for the IWC. I can't speak for the entire IWC, but most people here seem to be for him running the shows. The debate is that alot of people(myself included) don't want him to do so and remain part of the active roster. Just because he always go over has no bearing on how he will book a show. Triple H is an "old-school" wrestling fan and a good judge of talent. I have no use for him as a wrestler, but he'd probably make a decent booker.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 24, 2010 0:59:10 GMT -5
I still firmly believe that WM27 will be built around Goldberg vs. Bryan Danielson You sir, are insane.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 24, 2010 1:01:36 GMT -5
I won't be needing it. I feel that my prediction is right on, even though I've been wrong most of the time in the past. But if it does come to that... hot sauce. The day Punk vs Cena main-events WrestleMania 27 is the day I march down the street in my underwear proclaiming "You Can't See Me". Punk/Cena won't be happening at WM27. All the pieces are in place for the Miz/Cena route to happen. And don't think for a second I will let you weasel out of your hat dinner when this day comes.
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BigWill
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 24, 2010 1:05:31 GMT -5
I won't be needing it. I feel that my prediction is right on, even though I've been wrong most of the time in the past. But if it does come to that... hot sauce. The day Punk vs Cena main-events WrestleMania 27 is the day I march down the street in my underwear proclaiming "You Can't See Me". Punk/Cena won't be happening at WM27. All the pieces are in place for the Miz/Cena route to happen. Then I'd better see some revealing pictures posted by the day after Mania. Seriously though, I don't see them being able to finish Punk/Cena by the end of the Elimination Chamber, which it would have to if you want a decent build till Mania. Unless they just blow off the feud on a random episode on Raw, which I can't see happening.
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Post by s l i k on Dec 24, 2010 23:20:21 GMT -5
him wearing tights in his last attack makes me think that he's about to return to the ring. He is. Punk will be wrestling again by Royal Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2010 1:53:45 GMT -5
I still think Cena wins the Rumble, then beats Punk at Elimination Chamber. Or hell, take the 2001 route with it and have Punk beat him, to set up a strong possible challenger for him down the road.
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Post by Paco S. Loco on Dec 25, 2010 2:17:48 GMT -5
All this talk with people being adamant about it being either Cena/Miz or Cena/Punk reminds me of this time in late 2008/early 2009 where people were adamant that HBK/JBL was absolutely going to stretch to Wrestlemania and they took it personally when people dare suggested it was going to be HBK/Undertaker.
Even when the WWE started dropping anvilicious hints about HBK/Undertaker. Nope. "GONNA BE HBK/JBL! How dare anyone argue with me!"
And then when HBK/Undertaker happened they tried to spin it as somehow still being right. "The WWE saw my posts and deliberately changed it to swerve me! Thus the fact that it ended up being HBK/Undertaker is indisputable proof that it was meant to be HBK/JBL and everyone who predicted it would be HBK/Undertaker was wrong! IN YOUR FACES!"
So for maximum comedy purposes, I'm hoping it is indeed Cena vs. Orton. Both sides are wrong and it's always amusing seeing the white knights come up with excuses when WWE passes up opportunities for freshness in favor of overstale status quo.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 25, 2010 3:33:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't conceive of Punk and Cena main-eventing Mania. But I also can't conceive that they would start this storyline with Punk and kill it off BEFORE Mania. So I'm conflicted, to say the least.
I actually don't think it's the way they should go, simply because I know they're not going to use it as a marquee match, instead using February's Elimination Chamber PPV to get the title match they want for Mania, a recent practice that drives me nuts, since the title is just there to bolster the feud to the point that it can close the show. It's inorganic, in my opinion.
That said, I absolutely think that they SHOULD go with Cena vs. Miz. I'm of the opinion that Miz should ABSOLUTELY make it to WM as the WWE champion. I actually think he should even go a little further. If not to Over the Limit, then maybe to Summerslam. There is money in a Miz chase, I guarantee it, and if WWE has the patience, they could ignite their business with WWE champion The Miz.
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Haulk
Samurai Cop
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Post by Haulk on Dec 25, 2010 10:02:32 GMT -5
HHH running the show? OMG everyone's getting berries! Will HHH find a way to bury everyone on the show? /joking I am sure he will give the job 100% effort, Congrats Hunter!
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CM Dazz
King Koopa
Chuck
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 31, 2010 15:45:27 GMT -5
I can't speak for the entire IWC, but most people here seem to be for him running the shows. The debate is that alot of people(myself included) don't want him to do so and remain part of the active roster. Just because he always go over has no bearing on how he will book a show. Triple H is an "old-school" wrestling fan and a good judge of talent. I have no use for him as a wrestler, but he'd probably make a decent booker. I'm sure he'd be a fantastic booker, but the guy is great in the ring. Pretty hard to debate that.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Dec 31, 2010 15:56:09 GMT -5
Triple H will go on a 20-0 Wrestlemania run.
Meaning at this Wrestlemania Triple H will have 20 matches.
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Post by s l i k on Jan 1, 2011 11:29:11 GMT -5
As we head into 2011 I have but this to say...
BigMoneyWill, enjoy your hat.
;D
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