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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 30, 2010 23:11:27 GMT -5
Lets say Brian Pillman didn't die when he did, how do you think he would've been used, especially going into the Attitude Era? Considering he helped lay the groundwork for that era despite not being alive for it when it was fully underway, he would've fit in perfectly, especially with his work-shoot promos. I don't know who he would've feuded with though, but hopefully he would get an IC title run out of it.
Your thoughts?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 30, 2010 23:14:06 GMT -5
If he hadn't suffered injuries that limited his mobility he most likely would've been a world champion during the Attitude Era.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 30, 2010 23:26:50 GMT -5
I think he would have been the Piper to Austin's Hogan.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 30, 2010 23:34:21 GMT -5
I think he would have been the Piper to Austin's Hogan. Does that mean after 2 years, he would've had a failed movie career and when he returned sprayed a half-celebrity with a fire extinguiser and praised a dancing turkey?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Dec 31, 2010 3:29:41 GMT -5
Lackey or on commentary.
His ankle was too f***ed for him to do much in the ring, which led to his painkiller addiction.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Dec 31, 2010 3:46:31 GMT -5
Assuming he'd been alive *and* healthy I can just imagine another Pillman/Austin feud with the Attitude Era in full swing.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 31, 2010 8:22:11 GMT -5
The Montreal Screwjob should be taken into account as well. Pillman was said to be fiercely loyal to the Harts and he definitely had the type of personality to walk out over it, contract be damned.
But if he stayed, his ankle wasn't ever going to get better. Put him on commentary, and then when Vince got REALLY desperate to get the belt off Austin, have him turn to Pillman as the "last resort". Have Pillman become a mouthpiece for someone...Shamrock would've been a great fit for that.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 31, 2010 9:14:45 GMT -5
Honestly, it seemed to me they were setting him up to turn on the Hart Foundation and join DX.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 31, 2010 14:09:51 GMT -5
Honestly, it seemed to me they were setting him up to turn on the Hart Foundation and join DX. How so? He was in the middle of a feud with Goldust where it was rumored Terri Runnells would turn on him and manage Pillman. Good call on his bad ankles, that explains why he rarely had matches in the WWF.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 31, 2010 14:17:49 GMT -5
Honestly, it seemed to me they were setting him up to turn on the Hart Foundation and join DX. How so? He was in the middle of a feud with Goldust where it was rumored Terri Runnells would turn on him and manage Pillman. Good call on his bad ankles, that explains why he rarely had matches in the WWF. Yes, that was the reported angle. It's a shame that his ankles couldn't hold up as in his prime he was one of the best workers in the business.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 31, 2010 14:22:48 GMT -5
Would I be asking too much if I wanted just one more Pillman/Liger match?
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Post by comahan on Dec 31, 2010 16:03:59 GMT -5
Pillman's wrestling ability drastically fell off after his injury in 97, I remember watching back on that whole year not too long ago and Pillman just wasnt that good in the ring anymore.
That said, he was still good on the mic, so he'd have been a consistently good hand, but I dont think he'd have ever won the belt or anything.
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 31, 2010 16:26:55 GMT -5
Flyin' Brian was one of my favorite all time wrestlers in WCW. As mentioned, his matches with Liger were outstanding. I also loved the fact that he wore Bengal striped tights as a throwback to his brief career with the Cincinnati Bengals in the NFL.
I really liked his "Loose Cannon" gimmick as well. Too bad his injuries prevented him from doing more in WWE, and eventually led to his death.
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Post by y2kam on Dec 31, 2010 16:49:23 GMT -5
Every time he wrestled, it was obvious he was in extreme pain. They would have given him a big run with Austin early on, I think, but then phased him into a manager-type role, likely with the Corporation.
Or he would have left with Bret (if Vince let him- given his big contract, I am guessing he would have), and joined the nWo.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 31, 2010 19:19:10 GMT -5
I haven't seen too many matches of his, but I remember watching his match with Goldust at Summerslam 1997 and he couldn't go like he did in WCW. I heard that he had a bad ankle, which explained why he was often in crutches and such. It would have been better if he was on commentary or as a manager for someone. He had great mic skills.
By the way, I'm considering getting the Pillman DVD. Is it worth it?
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Post by oafman on Dec 31, 2010 19:35:53 GMT -5
Brian Pillman was a perfect fit for the Attitude Era.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 31, 2010 20:01:58 GMT -5
Let's change the question a bit: What if he were still alive and didn't have the ankle injury?
I could easily have seen him as a solid main eventer. His loose cannon gimmick was an absolutely perfect fit for the attitude era. Had he been able to have a full career in the WWE, I could see him right up there with Austin and the Rock. He had the talent, he had the mic skills, and he had just as much "it" as they did.
However, if his loyalty to the Harts is real, I could also have seen him leaving after the Montreal Screwjob, contract or no contract. Maybe him leaving would have been enough to get Owen, Davey Boy, and Jim to leave too. He was the type who could get people to follow him and believe in him.
This could have changed the dynamics of Bret's run in WCW. Granted, this is WCW and it's likely they'd have screwed up the entire Hart Family too, but it's possible that instead of Bret getting lost in the shuffle, we could have seen things like a Harts vs. NWO storyline instead. How different things could have been -- would Bret have been injured by Goldberg? Would Davey have sustained the injury that eventually led to his own addictions and death? We'll never know.
Would have also been interesting to see how the Golddust angle would have played out.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 31, 2010 22:21:04 GMT -5
Let's change the question a bit: What if he were still alive and didn't have the ankle injury? I could easily have seen him as a solid main eventer. His loose cannon gimmick was an absolutely perfect fit for the attitude era. Had he been able to have a full career in the WWE, I could see him right up there with Austin and the Rock. He had the talent, he had the mic skills, and he had just as much "it" as they did. However, if his loyalty to the Harts is real, I could also have seen him leaving after the Montreal Screwjob, contract or no contract. Maybe him leaving would have been enough to get Owen, Davey Boy, and Jim to leave too. He was the type who could get people to follow him and believe in him. This could have changed the dynamics of Bret's run in WCW. Granted, this is WCW and it's likely they'd have screwed up the entire Hart Family too, but it's possible that instead of Bret getting lost in the shuffle, we could have seen things like a Harts vs. NWO storyline instead. How different things could have been -- would Bret have been injured by Goldberg? Would Davey have sustained the injury that eventually led to his own addictions and death? We'll never know. Would have also been interesting to see how the Golddust angle would have played out. Davey Boy and Anvil did move to WCW. Bulldog's injury came in a WCW ring setup to allow Warrior access to it by a trap door. Owen's contract wasn't breakable.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Dec 31, 2010 22:38:04 GMT -5
Honestly, it seemed to me they were setting him up to turn on the Hart Foundation and join DX. How so? He was in the middle of a feud with Goldust where it was rumored Terri Runnells would turn on him and manage Pillman. Pillman and the rest of the Hart's were starting to split though. I remember reading one of Bret's old newspaper columns where he starts trashing Pillman because of the Goldust angle. Plus with the Hart's moving into babyface territory to battle DX, Pillman wouldn't exactly work in that role. Him turning heel and joining up with DX would make the most sense to me anyways.
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Post by randomranter on Dec 31, 2010 23:55:41 GMT -5
Davey Boy and Anvil did move to WCW. They both stayed with WWF for a short time after Montreal (in fact, Anvil got fed to DX on his way out) before Vince decided that they were expendable and allowed them to go. You're missing the point. If Pillman had been alive and moved over, maybe the entire dynamic of WCW would have changed. Maybe Warrior/Hogan wouldn't have happened because Hogan would have been involved in an NWO/Harts feud instead. Again, wild speculation with no way to prove anything. But even minor things can alter the course of history. As referenced above, Pillman was fiercely loyal to the Harts, and if he felt like it, would easily have had the balls to leave the WWF in protest of Montreal, contract or no. He also had the type of personality to get people to follow him. It's *possible* that Pillman may have been able to convince Owen to follow him. Sure, they would have likely been sued, but I'm not so sure they'd have lost. Again....wild speculation based on the fact that even minor things could have altered history.
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