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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 9, 2011 18:25:47 GMT -5
One interesting thing about racism is it truely is something that every group has the potential of, it's the us vs them mentality You just sounded like Tony Schiavone, WCW 1998 era. Whoa. Crazy.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 9, 2011 18:33:59 GMT -5
The videos not working for me, can someone tell me what happens? I'm not sure what the gameshow is but I'm guessing there is a panel of people who have to decide which contestant wins 'the prize' They're discussing each one and they come to a black contestant, when asked what he thought of him the polynesian judge says he doesn't like him, when asked to explain he initially states 'because he's black'. It goes further with him giving his 'reasons' for not liking black people and there is a black judge on the panel who debates the matter with him.
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Post by MCMGM on May 10, 2011 13:50:08 GMT -5
The videos not working for me, can someone tell me what happens? I'm not sure what the gameshow is but I'm guessing there is a panel of people who have to decide which contestant wins 'the prize' They're immortals?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 14:08:36 GMT -5
Yeah, Kurt Angle can say he doesn't like blacks, he gets cheered. A Polynesian does it, he gets belittled. Maybe Rikishi had a point Umm you missed the point of the Kurt Angle promo. He then says that it doesn't matter what I say, these idiots will still be cheering for me and I have them in the palm of my hand. If Kurt Angle was a Polynesian he still would of got away with it.
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Post by The QC Loser on May 10, 2011 15:35:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Kurt Angle can say he doesn't like blacks, he gets cheered. A Polynesian does it, he gets belittled. Maybe Rikishi had a point Umm you missed the point of the Kurt Angle promo. He then says that it doesn't matter what I say, these idiots will still be cheering for me and I have them in the palm of my hand. If Kurt Angle was a Polynesian he still would of got away with it. I'm pretty sure it was a joke
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 10, 2011 17:58:38 GMT -5
Kurt Angle was making a point that he could say as much insane stuff as he could, and still get cheered. He also said he wanted to make Jesus tap.
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Post by Legion on May 10, 2011 18:11:56 GMT -5
That video is hilarious.
The reaction of the older guy when he hears what is said is brilliant. I can't believe the guy said that. Just out of the blue, 'I don't like him cos he is black.'
And then to back up his argument he goes for this massive over generalisation about people acting like they owed, acting like it's something all black people do all the time.
The sad thing though, is when the hilarity wears off, you realise there are people out there that think like this guy.
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Post by Goldenbane on May 10, 2011 18:44:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the gameshow is but I'm guessing there is a panel of people who have to decide which contestant wins 'the prize' They're immortals? I've only seen this one clip, but I don't think anyone was Persian. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Johnny Truant on May 10, 2011 18:57:10 GMT -5
He has something resembling a point but what credibility he had went out the window when he couldn't actually back it up. I am still laughing at his frankness, though.
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Post by The 'Kai on May 10, 2011 21:30:10 GMT -5
I came in here expecting this clip: The fact that the Asian kid gave the correct answer at the end of the vid made it hilarious ;D.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on May 10, 2011 21:46:53 GMT -5
CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF "See? It's not just white people who are racist" STYLE COMMENTS, I FEEL IT'S TIME FOR A SING-A-LONG! ;D
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Post by Viva on May 10, 2011 22:00:39 GMT -5
He didn't even qualify his statement. He just said "I don't like them." haha.
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Post by chazraps on May 11, 2011 0:57:15 GMT -5
There's STILL people who use the "BET Argument" in 2011? Have they done any real channel surfing? Not only does everyone have a channel, but nobody bats an eye or is upset in the slightest about it.
Everyone has an anti-defamation group too.
Dude might as well say he hates cameramen for stealing souls.
I'm going to have to say that this bigot is prejudice, and that prejudice is wrong. That is my bold stance of the night.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 11, 2011 1:05:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Kurt Angle can say he doesn't like blacks, he gets cheered. A Polynesian does it, he gets belittled. Maybe Rikishi had a point Umm you missed the point of the Kurt Angle promo. He then says that it doesn't matter what I say, these idiots will still be cheering for me and I have them in the palm of my hand. If Kurt Angle was a Polynesian he still would of got away with it. {Spoiler}
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Post by thesunbeast on May 11, 2011 1:30:27 GMT -5
I believe in Free speech.
I've been on the recipient end of racism myself, and I have no tolerance for bigotry even though I can exercise self restraint, but I have no tolerance for any kind of bigotry.
People confuse two issues: What you have the right to do vs what you should be respected for. Just because someone has the right to say something, that doesn't mean they should automatically be respected for it. The two do not always have to go together 100% of the time. If someone says something that's foolish, and you call them out on it, they usually tell you that they have a right to say it, yet, you were never challenging their right to say the comment, they were challenging the logic of your comment.
I don't like selective reasoning. People want free speech, yet they define that as being allowed to state their own viewpoint without any opposition present, that's not free speech, that's selective reasoning with some censorship.
So I'm only against just hearing one viewpoint and not the other, when you do that, it ceases being education and starts becoming indoctrination. I say let groups like the kkk be allowed to speak on tv on shows that are much more than just soundbites, but also with elite opposition aswell. The best way to put a bully in his place is to just let the bully wander around the playground thinking that they're the king until they find their way towards the wrong person and they get dropped.
I don't believe in censoring people we don't like just because we don't like them. I believe in debunking people we don't like, fairly, with all of the opportunity in the world, and therefore, with no excuses. If you lose, then get better, and if you can't get better, then mabe you're wrong.
Racists can never seem to win organized debates with rational non-racist people, so why not expose this to the world other than jerry springer? The only time I see people take on the racist ones are when you have overly aggressive people just throwing things and cussing, and acting irrational themselves, thus, provoking the wrong way of thinking that say that the only way to deal with these racist people are to just censor them.
Freedom of speech works, if done right. Just because something is free doesn't mean it's chaos. chaos is the opposite of freedom. You can have freedom, but there's still a time and a place for everything and there's still a right and a wrong way to go about something.
You have freedom to cuss on TV? Sure, just make a channel for it. You want freedom of expression and want to run around nude? Sure, you make laws about it with nude beaches and things of that nature. Those things exist because of recognizing freedoms, but also recognizing a right way to go about it so as to prevent chaos, and thus ultimately, the destruction of our freedoms. A paradox.
Issues like these are easily settled if it were elite vs elite, the way it should be. How many times have I seen debates on tv where it was an elite of one viewpoint vs a laymen of another? Too many. You take the absolute best the kkk has to offer, a david duke, and then you take the best race and culture sociology has to offer, and watch the racist worldview get destroyed before your very eyes.
The Polynesian guy uses a typical racist argument: He selectively singals out black racist people, and then assumes that two wrongs make a right. I myself do actually believe that BET is racist. I do believe that there are black people who wrongly believe that the USA owes them something. I myself am against affirmative action. This guy is still a fool. This has nothing to do with being black, it's arbitrary, you can flip it upsidedown and get the same result. This is about racist people who happen to be black. OK fine, what about all the rest of them that aren't racist? Just signaling out one part of racist people and then using them to define all the rest is just plain ignorant. Even if every black person was racist, you still can't prove that it's their dark skin which is the reason why. I could just say that it's their hair or eyes.
If 95% of black people were racist, you could still just say that you're against racist people and therefore you just so happen to find yourself in an argument with most black people once they say something racist, without prejudging them first by assuming the color of their skin is the cause, and you still wouldn't be racist. And so the guy's arguments and conclusions don't follow, and therefore is illogical, as usual.
So, I have a problem with the racist guy in this video, but I have no problem with him being allowed to speak, so long as all views get represented, and the cream rises to the top.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on May 11, 2011 15:21:05 GMT -5
I do hate though the implication that only white people can be racist, and the concept of "reverse racism". It's not reverse-racism, it's just racist. I totally agree with this. Reverse racism is the dumbest argument in the whole racism debate. It's just a made up word that doesn't really make sense. Reverse racism would be something like non-racism really. Racism isn't something only white people do to black people. It goes in every direction, white to black, black to white, asian to white, black to asian, etc. Racism is racism no matter who is the racist and who is the victim.
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Post by thesunbeast on May 12, 2011 4:32:38 GMT -5
I do hate though the implication that only white people can be racist, and the concept of "reverse racism". It's not reverse-racism, it's just racist. I totally agree with this. Reverse racism is the dumbest argument in the whole racism debate. It's just a made up word that doesn't really make sense. Reverse racism would be something like non-racism really. Racism isn't something only white people do to black people. It goes in every direction, white to black, black to white, asian to white, black to asian, etc. Racism is racism no matter who is the racist and who is the victim. I agree with everything you've said. However, I believe that the concept of "reverse racism" was originally meant to be understood as someone being racist against another group of people and their race based off of wrongly believing that those people are racist against them. As in a scenerio where a black person thinks that all white people are racist against black people, and therefore, this person is actually racist against white people by steriotyping a whole race of people based off of the actions of a few. It would be reverse racism. Or, a woman thinking that all men are sexist against women, and this would be reverse sexism, because it would be sexist to actually think that about all men. It's when you're guilty of the very same thing you're accusing on others by virtue of the mere accusation.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 25, 2011 3:39:25 GMT -5
Mel Gibson has never been on a game show.
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