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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Feb 28, 2011 1:48:04 GMT -5
I was not sure if this had been put up before, but here is an interview with Jim Cornette about Vader's first WWF stint and his dealings with Shawn Michaels.*Language Warning*
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Feb 28, 2011 11:49:46 GMT -5
Not too suprised, since back in 1997, in one of his rants on Raw, Cornette called HBK one of the best in-ring talents, but also one who would "take his tights and go home" if he doesn't get his way.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Feb 28, 2011 11:51:48 GMT -5
...I know this guy's a legend and all but is there anyone he doesn't have a grudge against?
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Post by Ian Austin on Feb 28, 2011 11:58:41 GMT -5
He has fair reason to hold a grudge considering that he'd earn bigger amounts of money if Shawn would've worked with Vader and the program had lasted a few months. As it was, Shawn buried Vader and cost Vader and Cornette main event money!
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Post by Goon on Feb 28, 2011 12:19:13 GMT -5
Dammit, thanks to you I just spend a few hours just watching Cornette rant on youtube. ;D
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 28, 2011 12:32:02 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm coming down on Shawn's side here, but why on earth didn't Vader just, you know, work looser? Shawn will never lose an unprofessionalism war, but I think being overly stiff is pretty damn unprofessional, too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 28, 2011 12:36:03 GMT -5
The funniest thing about that was his spot on Vince impression.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 28, 2011 13:04:07 GMT -5
The funniest thing about that was his spot on Vince impression. Yeah, Cornette is quite good at impersonations. Also, Shawn did do the clean job to Vader in a tag match at International Incident. Its not much, but he didn't totally job the guy out. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Feb 28, 2011 13:08:37 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm coming down on Shawn's side here, but why on earth didn't Vader just, you know, work looser? Shawn will never lose an unprofessionalism war, but I think being overly stiff is pretty damn unprofessional, too. Thing is, it wasn't like Vader was doing it on purpose to be a dick or anything like that. It was just how he worked. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 13:19:14 GMT -5
Well, I usually don't agree with Cornette when he rants like that, but 100% agree with him here (even the "higher power" point). Many of the shoots I have seen are in the same vein as this regarding Shawn. By most accounts he was a prick and extremely unprofessional.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Feb 28, 2011 13:46:44 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm coming down on Shawn's side here, but why on earth didn't Vader just, you know, work looser? Shawn will never lose an unprofessionalism war, but I think being overly stiff is pretty damn unprofessional, too. Unless you're a wrestler or used to be a wrestler. Who are you to say whats professional. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 13:51:16 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm coming down on Shawn's side here, but why on earth didn't Vader just, you know, work looser? Shawn will never lose an unprofessionalism war, but I think being overly stiff is pretty damn unprofessional, too. Unless you're a wrestler or used to be a wrestler. Who are you to say whats professional. You know, I will agree mostly to this. I don't think Vader was being too unprofessional. However, common sense would tell me what is or is not professional. Going into the ring and stabbing someone, without their permission, is not professional. Being constantly late or intoxicated to the point where one cannot perform, would be unprofessional. Agreeing to job and then not cooperating in the ring to the point that it threats the integrity of kayfabe, that would be unprofessional. Yeah, we're fans but that doesn't mean we aren't rational, intelligent beings. |
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Feb 28, 2011 14:00:57 GMT -5
Ive seen all that stuff happen a few times minus the stabbing. I think people have a way to high opinion on whats unprofessional in wrestling. There is almost nothing professional about pro wrestling.
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Post by spmkillie on Feb 28, 2011 14:07:12 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm coming down on Shawn's side here, but why on earth didn't Vader just, you know, work looser? Shawn will never lose an unprofessionalism war, but I think being overly stiff is pretty damn unprofessional, too. Unless you're a wrestler or used to be a wrestler. Who are you to say whats professional. really flawed argument dude. I have never managed a professional football (soccer) team before but i know its unprofessional to not shake the other managers hand before and after the game no matter the score. By your argument i cant say something is sexest towards a woman because i have never been one ;D When you have enough people in the business (who you know are well respected from other peoples interviews) tell you something is / isnt professional then you can take it as near to gospel that it's so. back on topic though anything cornette says is 100% gold  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 14:14:55 GMT -5
Ive seen all that stuff happen a few times minus the stabbing. I think people have a way to high opinion on whats unprofessional in wrestling. There is almost nothing professional about pro wrestling. Ok, you've seen those things happen. Now, was the booker at the time happy that someone, like Jake, was drunk when he performed? Was the guy that New Jack shot on with the knife happy that he got stabbed? I bet when Justin Credible no showed ECW/WWE tapings, Kevin Dunn was really happy that he wasn't around and just couldn't wait to book him again for the show. He wouldn't, you know, fire him for no showing or anything. |
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Post by Young Game on Feb 28, 2011 14:25:54 GMT -5
"Well, we can trademark it. He's a big Mastadon."
"F***!!!"
James E. Cornette. Master Of The Expletive.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Feb 28, 2011 14:28:36 GMT -5
I wasnt there to see any of those. Jake said he was drugged and New Jack said he ended up helping the guy. I get people like to think they can comment on whats unprofessional or what is in wrestling but there really are no boundries in wrestling. If Jake showed up trashed and put on an alright match would the promoter care? No. If when New Jack "stabbed" the guy they drew a huge crowd would the wrestler care? Probably not. Nobody cares in wrestling if theres money to be made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 14:39:26 GMT -5
I get people like to think they can comment on whats unprofessional or what is in wrestling but there really are no boundries in wrestling. Ok, you just said that there really are no boundaries in wrestling after saying that people like to think they can comment on what's professional or not in wrestling. Now, are you yourself in wrestling? If you are, then, ok, you can make your comment. If not, you just did exactly what you're saying other people shouldn't be doing. How would you know what boundaries exist in wrestling? I apologize if my tone is offputting or anything like that. I just disagree with your statement. |
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Feb 28, 2011 14:44:02 GMT -5
Ive been training for about a year and have worked ring crew for a few diffrent companys. Even in my short time around ive seen somethings some people would call unprofessional but thats really just how it is.
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Post by Kris on Feb 28, 2011 15:02:40 GMT -5
It's not unprofessional to work stiff, it is just a work style; wrestling is a full-contact product. I personally think it is stupid to work stiff, but it isn't unprofessional.
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