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Post by shadowangel on Oct 11, 2010 9:17:31 GMT -5
Wait, what "lies"? How could someone who doesn't know Bret possibly have the knowledge to say what is and isn't true in his book? I quote a lie from his book: "As it turned out, that night at the Hilton Playboy Club in Buffalo, the Rockers got rowdy, breaking bottles and glasses, causing a drunken disturbance. Vince felt they had missed the whole point of his lceture and fired them. The Rockers lasted only one day in the WWF" Well, that was in 1987, when the Rockers lasted about a week in the WWF, had a match at Wrestling Challenge (against Jimmy Jack Funk & Jose Estrada) and some House Show matches, one of them was against a team called HART FOUNDATION...uh, i think Bret Hart was in that team...right? What else then a lie and a cheap shot against Michaels was it? I don't need to know Bret to know that's a lie, the facts are there. There are more lies and stupid stuff in his book. If i'm not wrong he even made up the story of Ultimate Warrior not wanting to meet with a sick kid, just because Hart couldn't stand Warrior and was jealous. Because honestly, i never read one bad story from Fans who met the warrior. If anything there's a lot of praise, just take a look at the message board at Warrior Central and all the great stories. While on the other hand the one time i met Bret it was a rather nasty experience, i wrote about that here yesterday. There are lots and lots of cheap shots against Shawn Michaels, there are lots and lots of things that made me laugh, like his claim that Misawa didn't even come close to Sayama in terms of wrestling skills, which was the stupidest thing i ever heard. Like i said before, that book is about as much of a fairy tale as Hogan's Book that got ridiculed so many times on this board alone. But then again, i think most people just love Hart so much, that they were rose(or better pink)-tinted glasses all the time and really believe he was the saint in a wrestling world full of drugged up losers (Well, beside him cheating on his wife and putting drugs in Owens drink as a joke, because that's supposed to be funny) I just really have to wonder, after reading other books, about Bret. For example all the stuff Dynamite Kid writes in his book, like doing Crack with Bret and Junk Yard Dog (And i even have a 17 year old wrestling magazine, it's non-kayfabe and they wrote about Bret and his coke problems - while in his book he writes that all wrestler did drugs and stuff, except him, because he only did some painkillers but stopped after some time and never took anything else - yeah right) or all the stories Diana Hart wrote in her book. Are we really supposed to believe that those 2 books were full of lies while Brets is the true story?
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Oct 11, 2010 13:18:51 GMT -5
I always found it amusing how Trish Stratus played a huge slut a lot of time on tv, but in real life she was apparantly a good girl. In a shoot interview I saw with former WWE announcer Kevin Kelly, he implied Trish slept her way to the top. But he seemed a tad bitter, so it's hard to take what he said very seriously. I refuse to believe that about Trish. I know that looks and interviews and all that can be deceiving, but Trish just seems like such a sweetheart, I can't see her doing something like that. Plus, she noticeably improved in the ring; banging someone isn't going to do that, unless (s)he is a great worker and you can absorb these things through osmosis. Also, slightly off-topic: my favorite Kevin Kelly moment was when The Rock called him an ugly hermaphrodite; from then on, whenever Kelly interviewed him, Rocky made sure to call him "Hermie."
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Post by Malcolm Tucker for PM on Oct 11, 2010 15:33:48 GMT -5
Bret Hart does come across as having an extremely high opinion of himself, but I think there's a big difference between that & being a liar. I've heard the likes of Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji boast about their exploits with groupies/rats before, so I don't find it hard to believe that Bret (and the vast majority of popular wrestling personalities) also indulged.
Sandman told a story of witnessing Sunny whoring herself out to Sabu and another wrestler I can't remember (at the same time) for drugs while Chris Candido was looking for her elsewhere in the building. I wonder just how much Sunny was exploited back in the day when her drug habit got out of control. Hearing these stories, she does sound like she was desperate rather than doing it for fun. Kind of sad that while everyone thought Candido was such a nice guy, the other guys would do that to him behind his back. Depressing actually.
Maria branded Shelly Martinez a 'ho' in her YouShoot without going into detail. I was a little surprised at that and suspect Maria was being vindictive there.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 11, 2010 15:42:03 GMT -5
Wait, what "lies"? How could someone who doesn't know Bret possibly have the knowledge to say what is and isn't true in his book? I quote a lie from his book: "As it turned out, that night at the Hilton Playboy Club in Buffalo, the Rockers got rowdy, breaking bottles and glasses, causing a drunken disturbance. Vince felt they had missed the whole point of his lceture and fired them. The Rockers lasted only one day in the WWF" Well, that was in 1987, when the Rockers lasted about a week in the WWF, had a match at Wrestling Challenge (against Jimmy Jack Funk & Jose Estrada) and some House Show matches, one of them was against a team called HART FOUNDATION...uh, i think Bret Hart was in that team...right? What else then a lie and a cheap shot against Michaels was it? I don't need to know Bret to know that's a lie, the facts are there. There are more lies and stupid stuff in his book. If i'm not wrong he even made up the story of Ultimate Warrior not wanting to meet with a sick kid, just because Hart couldn't stand Warrior and was jealous. Because honestly, i never read one bad story from Fans who met the warrior. If anything there's a lot of praise, just take a look at the message board at Warrior Central and all the great stories. While on the other hand the one time i met Bret it was a rather nasty experience, i wrote about that here yesterday. There are lots and lots of cheap shots against Shawn Michaels, there are lots and lots of things that made me laugh, like his claim that Misawa didn't even come close to Sayama in terms of wrestling skills, which was the stupidest thing i ever heard. Like i said before, that book is about as much of a fairy tale as Hogan's Book that got ridiculed so many times on this board alone. But then again, i think most people just love Hart so much, that they were rose(or better pink)-tinted glasses all the time and really believe he was the saint in a wrestling world full of drugged up losers (Well, beside him cheating on his wife and putting drugs in Owens drink as a joke, because that's supposed to be funny) I just really have to wonder, after reading other books, about Bret. For example all the stuff Dynamite Kid writes in his book, like doing Crack with Bret and Junk Yard Dog (And i even have a 17 year old wrestling magazine, it's non-kayfabe and they wrote about Bret and his coke problems - while in his book he writes that all wrestler did drugs and stuff, except him, because he only did some painkillers but stopped after some time and never took anything else - yeah right) or all the stories Diana Hart wrote in her book. Are we really supposed to believe that those 2 books were full of lies while Brets is the true story? Wow, you really seem to dislike Bret. I don't think anyone here is saying that his book is the gospel, but you're making it out to be as bad as Hogan's book because of some weird hatred you have for him. You can claim different, but when you're using threads from the Ultimate Warrior's message board as part of your bibliography of truth, there's something not right in Denmark (or Germany).
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Post by Shannon Gay on Oct 11, 2010 15:45:33 GMT -5
Back in 2006, it was safe to say that Traci Brooks slept with over half of the roster.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 11, 2010 15:47:47 GMT -5
And the answer is either Batista or CM Punk of course. Well a distant second to the biggest slut ever....Tito Santana.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 11, 2010 16:49:15 GMT -5
Being around wrestlers after a show was pretty appalling.
A gigantic chunk of them are "whores", if that's the word we're using. It's pretty depressing to be around, and helped turn me off to the business.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Oct 11, 2010 19:28:36 GMT -5
I quote a lie from his book: "As it turned out, that night at the Hilton Playboy Club in Buffalo, the Rockers got rowdy, breaking bottles and glasses, causing a drunken disturbance. Vince felt they had missed the whole point of his lceture and fired them. The Rockers lasted only one day in the WWF" Well, that was in 1987, when the Rockers lasted about a week in the WWF, had a match at Wrestling Challenge (against Jimmy Jack Funk & Jose Estrada) and some House Show matches, one of them was against a team called HART FOUNDATION...uh, i think Bret Hart was in that team...right? What else then a lie and a cheap shot against Michaels was it? I don't need to know Bret to know that's a lie, the facts are there. There are more lies and stupid stuff in his book. If i'm not wrong he even made up the story of Ultimate Warrior not wanting to meet with a sick kid, just because Hart couldn't stand Warrior and was jealous. Because honestly, i never read one bad story from Fans who met the warrior. If anything there's a lot of praise, just take a look at the message board at Warrior Central and all the great stories. While on the other hand the one time i met Bret it was a rather nasty experience, i wrote about that here yesterday. There are lots and lots of cheap shots against Shawn Michaels, there are lots and lots of things that made me laugh, like his claim that Misawa didn't even come close to Sayama in terms of wrestling skills, which was the stupidest thing i ever heard. Like i said before, that book is about as much of a fairy tale as Hogan's Book that got ridiculed so many times on this board alone. But then again, i think most people just love Hart so much, that they were rose(or better pink)-tinted glasses all the time and really believe he was the saint in a wrestling world full of drugged up losers (Well, beside him cheating on his wife and putting drugs in Owens drink as a joke, because that's supposed to be funny) I just really have to wonder, after reading other books, about Bret. For example all the stuff Dynamite Kid writes in his book, like doing Crack with Bret and Junk Yard Dog (And i even have a 17 year old wrestling magazine, it's non-kayfabe and they wrote about Bret and his coke problems - while in his book he writes that all wrestler did drugs and stuff, except him, because he only did some painkillers but stopped after some time and never took anything else - yeah right) or all the stories Diana Hart wrote in her book. Are we really supposed to believe that those 2 books were full of lies while Brets is the true story? Wow, you really seem to dislike Bret. I don't think anyone here is saying that his book is the gospel, but you're making it out to be as bad as Hogan's book because of some weird hatred you have for him. You can claim different, but when you're using threads from the Ultimate Warrior's message board as part of your bibliography of truth, there's something not right in Denmark (or Germany). I dunno, Kash, the girl's got a point. I really don't see the difference in Hogan and Hart's books either. Well, except that Bret's book is twice as long, and therefore, twice as braggadocios. I guess this is probably the wrong thread for such a discussion, and I provided my two cents anyway, but I'm just sayin'... it's not that big of a stretch.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 11, 2010 19:31:49 GMT -5
Perhaps. I haven't read the book, so I can't say, but you have to admit that taking the word of people who post on the Ultimate Warrior own messageboard over Bret seems a bit odd.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Oct 11, 2010 19:39:30 GMT -5
The problem with taking the word of posters at Warrior's board over Bret Hart's word that Warrior made a kid with cancer wait is that the people posting at Warrior's board are, for the most part, Warrior fans. Of course there aren't bad stories about him there.
When you go to a politician's website, you don't find their dirt, but praise for them and disrespect for their opponents.
I don't know the truth or falsity of Warrior making a kid with cancer wait for him -- but I can't extrapolate from his fanboard that he couldn't have possibly done it. Like, WTF?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 11, 2010 20:00:09 GMT -5
Missy Hyatt had sex with me and I've never met her.
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Post by Dat Dude on Oct 11, 2010 22:01:54 GMT -5
I'll post it again... I wouldn't count Trina Michaels or Jasmine St. Clair because their *ahem* promiscuousness was done in their adult-film careers.
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Post by JJ on Oct 11, 2010 22:51:18 GMT -5
i heard pat patterson was a pretty big slut.. just sayin.
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Post by officedepot6905 on Oct 11, 2010 23:02:22 GMT -5
perhaps you missed a few pages in brets book where he talks about doing drugs...
he did coke with piper and adonis....he smoked week with owen...
you just plain and simple dont like him.....thats all there is to it. You dont have to like the guy..or the book...but dont call him a liar when none of us know the truth except for the boys in the back...and we dont know if they're telling the truth or not
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 12, 2010 1:43:11 GMT -5
Wait, what "lies"? How could someone who doesn't know Bret possibly have the knowledge to say what is and isn't true in his book? I quote a lie from his book: "As it turned out, that night at the Hilton Playboy Club in Buffalo, the Rockers got rowdy, breaking bottles and glasses, causing a drunken disturbance. Vince felt they had missed the whole point of his lceture and fired them. The Rockers lasted only one day in the WWF" Well, that was in 1987, when the Rockers lasted about a week in the WWF, had a match at Wrestling Challenge (against Jimmy Jack Funk & Jose Estrada) and some House Show matches, one of them was against a team called HART FOUNDATION...uh, i think Bret Hart was in that team...right? What else then a lie and a cheap shot against Michaels was it? I don't need to know Bret to know that's a lie, the facts are there. There are more lies and stupid stuff in his book. If i'm not wrong he even made up the story of Ultimate Warrior not wanting to meet with a sick kid, just because Hart couldn't stand Warrior and was jealous. Because honestly, i never read one bad story from Fans who met the warrior. If anything there's a lot of praise, just take a look at the message board at Warrior Central and all the great stories. While on the other hand the one time i met Bret it was a rather nasty experience, i wrote about that here yesterday. There are lots and lots of cheap shots against Shawn Michaels, there are lots and lots of things that made me laugh, like his claim that Misawa didn't even come close to Sayama in terms of wrestling skills, which was the stupidest thing i ever heard. Like i said before, that book is about as much of a fairy tale as Hogan's Book that got ridiculed so many times on this board alone. But then again, i think most people just love Hart so much, that they were rose(or better pink)-tinted glasses all the time and really believe he was the saint in a wrestling world full of drugged up losers (Well, beside him cheating on his wife and putting drugs in Owens drink as a joke, because that's supposed to be funny) I just really have to wonder, after reading other books, about Bret. For example all the stuff Dynamite Kid writes in his book, like doing Crack with Bret and Junk Yard Dog (And i even have a 17 year old wrestling magazine, it's non-kayfabe and they wrote about Bret and his coke problems - while in his book he writes that all wrestler did drugs and stuff, except him, because he only did some painkillers but stopped after some time and never took anything else - yeah right) or all the stories Diana Hart wrote in her book. Are we really supposed to believe that those 2 books were full of lies while Brets is the true story? 1. Bret probably didn't keep track of exactly how long the Rockers first run was. They taped one show. He said one day. Oh well, I guess that's a "lie", but I'd call it mistaken, but you can't prove his intent of mixing up 5 days and one show. So, it can't be called a lie. 2. Bret is very open about his drug use. He merely states he never got into steroids as much as the other guys. And preferred women over drugs. 3. He made up the story about Warrior not meeting a sick fan because other people had a positive experience meeting Warrior? That's a leap in logic one can not make. 4. Diana Hart's book was pulled from shelves because of all the lies and slander contained in it. So, I wouldn't take that as gospel. I can't speak to Dynamite's, because I have not read it.
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Post by fg76 on Oct 12, 2010 2:26:31 GMT -5
And the answer is either Batista or CM Punk of course. Well a distant second to the biggest slut ever....Tito Santana. [Vince McMahon's disgusted give-me-a-break 1985 voice] TITO SANTANA!?!?!?!?
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Post by capnsteve on Oct 12, 2010 3:47:47 GMT -5
I quote a lie from his book: "As it turned out, that night at the Hilton Playboy Club in Buffalo, the Rockers got rowdy, breaking bottles and glasses, causing a drunken disturbance. Vince felt they had missed the whole point of his lceture and fired them. The Rockers lasted only one day in the WWF" Are you the person that already got proven wrong about this in another thread? IThere are lots and lots of cheap shots against Shawn Michaels Such as? He calls him a great wrestler and a drugged-up douchebag, which is one of the few things that literally everyone in wrestling agrees on. Iwhile in his book he writes that all wrestler did drugs and stuff, except him, because he only did some painkillers but stopped after some time and never took anything else - yeah right) How are we supposed to take you seriously if you didn't even read the book?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 12, 2010 8:18:29 GMT -5
Bret Hart does come across as having an extremely high opinion of himself, but I think there's a big difference between that & being a liar. I've heard the likes of Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji boast about their exploits with groupies/rats before, so I don't find it hard to believe that Bret (and the vast majority of popular wrestling personalities) also indulged. Sandman told a story of witnessing Sunny whoring herself out to Sabu and another wrestler I can't remember (at the same time) for drugs while Chris Candido was looking for her elsewhere in the building. I wonder just how much Sunny was exploited back in the day when her drug habit got out of control. Hearing these stories, she does sound like she was desperate rather than doing it for fun. Kind of sad that while everyone thought Candido was such a nice guy, the other guys would do that to him behind his back. Depressing actually. Maria branded Shelly Martinez a 'ho' in her YouShoot without going into detail. I was a little surprised at that and suspect Maria was being vindictive there. I believe it was Joey Mathews. There is a clip of that on youtube somewhere I recall.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 12, 2010 9:21:50 GMT -5
Wasn't Ricky Morton a notorious He-Whore? I think I remember Cornette(?) saying something about his "lines and lines of women". Honky Tonk Man also said you had to beat the broads off of Ricky Morton. But, he was really good at selling, and the girls just wanted to comfort him. Stan Lane and Ric Flair had some good ones too. But, I think Ricky Morton might be the king of the rats.
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Post by shadowangel on Oct 12, 2010 10:15:23 GMT -5
Wow, you really seem to dislike Bret. Nope, i once was a fan. A big fan and i still will say that he was a good (not great, not awesome, but good) wrestler who delievered 3 or 4 great matches (though i don't think that he alone was responsible for the awesomness of the Summerslam 92 match) I guess i don't have the pink glasses and see what kind of person he is. And, yes, i read his book. I read a lot of other books, from biographies (Foley, Jericho, Flair, DiBiase, Edge, Dynamite Kid and so on) to general books like Sex, Lies and Headlocks to Ring of Hell to the Wrestlecrap books And overall, Brets Book is just bad, it sucks. While i think that Hogans Book was somehow written in kayfabe and a total exageration of the character, Harts Book was supposed to be about Bret. It was a fail and i stand by it. And yeah i rather believe people who met wrestlers and tell stories than wrestlers telling stories about wrestlers, especially if you can just feel the jealousy. Because: Why should some guy on a board lie about a story like "I bought some memorabilia from Warrior and asked him how much another signated picture would cost because i wanted one for a friend and the Warriors instantly sent me 3 signated pictures for free". Why should that be a lie? I rather believe that than a story comming from Bret, especially because if you read his book, you will see how full of crap that guy is
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