Madagascar Fred
El Dandy
TAFKA roidzilla and SUFFERIN' SUCCOTASH SON!
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jan 4, 2011 5:59:16 GMT -5
I think everyone agrees with these:
- booking of the Cruiserweight Division: during 1996-1999, it was just WAY better than anything WWE ever did for the Cruiserweight or Lighweight division
- booking of the Hardcore Division in 1999: better than anything WWE ever did for their Hardcore division
- booking of Rick Rude: he was used better in WCW than in WWE
- acquisition of young talents in the mid-90's (Jericho, Eddie, Benoit, Saturn, Raven etc.)...in WWF we got TL Hopper, The Goon, Tekkno Team 2000 or Alex Porteau (well he didnt suck but of course he was more of a joke)
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 4, 2011 6:36:04 GMT -5
Rick Rude's Theme Song - WCW hasn't really put much emphasis on its themes, but his "Simply Ravishing" theme beats the hell out of his WWF theme, which is generic in comparison. Couldnt disagree more.
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Johnny Danger (Godz)
Wade Wilson
loves him some cavity searches
Lord Xeen's going to kill you.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 4, 2011 9:19:50 GMT -5
Vader.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 4, 2011 10:05:33 GMT -5
WCW did unintentional comedy far better than WWF ("It's not hot!").
But seriously, WCW did wrestling better than WWF, WWF did entertainment better than WCW.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 4, 2011 10:29:31 GMT -5
Going out of business. Zing....?
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Ian Austin
Don Corleone
All will be well
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Post by Ian Austin on Jan 4, 2011 11:54:30 GMT -5
WCW did unintentional comedy far better than WWF ("It's not hot!"). But seriously, WCW did wrestling better than WWF, WWF did entertainment better than WCW. WCW did gimmick PPVs better than WWE. I mean trash Uncensored all you want, there's never been anything quite like it. It provided hilarity both intentional and unintentional, made no sense, and felt incredibly unique in the sheer chaos it generated. What other PPV saw wrestlers get fired for bleeding, main events end with no decision made, interfering wrestlers losing a match in drag, and British wrestlers deciding to hit each other full on in the face for no apparent reason.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 4, 2011 13:45:42 GMT -5
We have a winner! Also, the midcard. Even during the Attitude Era, when you could argue WWE's midcarders had better gimmicks than WCW midcarders, the actual match quality was INFINITELY better in WCW.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jan 4, 2011 15:22:19 GMT -5
We have a winner! Also, the midcard. Even during the Attitude Era, when you could argue WWE's midcarders had better gimmicks than WCW midcarders, the actual match quality was INFINITELY better in WCW. Match quality does not equal better booking. WCW had a crowded roster with the old farts on top, while the midcarders were struggling for airtime. WWF at the time had a stacked roster and about 90% of the midcarders used there were over at some time or another. Knock Vince Russo all you want, but the one thing he excels in is time sharing. He gives people who would normally be jerking the curtain something to do, even if its a crap storyline. Thats what helped the Attitude Era get over. Hell, even the post-Russo era(late 99 to 2001ish) had a better midcard than WCW had. And thats saying alot.
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Post by poi zen rana on Jan 4, 2011 15:42:30 GMT -5
While WCW mid carders could have definitely benefitted from more air time, it would be a mistake to insinuate that WCW mid carders were not over. If WCW mid carders were not over the reactions Y2J and the Radicalz got in the WWE just for showing up wouldn't have been epic.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Jan 4, 2011 16:18:40 GMT -5
Had much better sets and production, I will always mark out for the old Disney MGM Saturday Night set with the revolving ring awesome
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 4, 2011 23:07:45 GMT -5
We have a winner! Also, the midcard. Even during the Attitude Era, when you could argue WWE's midcarders had better gimmicks than WCW midcarders, the actual match quality was INFINITELY better in WCW. Match quality does not equal better booking. WCW had a crowded roster with the old farts on top, while the midcarders were struggling for airtime. WWF at the time had a stacked roster and about 90% of the midcarders used there were over at some time or another. Knock Vince Russo all you want, but the one thing he excels in is time sharing. He gives people who would normally be jerking the curtain something to do, even if its a crap storyline. Thats what helped the Attitude Era get over. Hell, even the post-Russo era(late 99 to 2001ish) had a better midcard than WCW had. And thats saying alot. I'm not commenting on the booking: late 90's WCW pay per views often had fantastic mid card and opening matches, while WWF's were often terrible. That's not to say people didn't care about those WWF matches; I mean, good lord, the crowd reacted for the Dustin Rhode vs. Val Venis matches. I'm just talking pure match quality.
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ICBM
King Koopa
Didn't know we did status updates here now
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Post by ICBM on Jan 4, 2011 23:25:23 GMT -5
The line up they had thru the entire run 88-01.
Flair Steamboat Sting Luger Whindham Anderson Blanchard Simmons Foley Austin HHH(Tera Ryzing) The Stieners Goldberg Hogan'Hall Nash Pilman Hart Benoit Guererro Rey Mysterio Jr.(yep I said Jr. WWE just so you know he is not the first rey Mysterio Harlem heat The Road Warriors Do I need to keep going?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 5, 2011 1:15:32 GMT -5
For a long time the wrestling was head and shoulders above WWE at the time. Sometimes I wonder if they had a better structure backstage would the Guerrero's, Benoit's and Jericho's would have been more patient for a push and not jumped as quickly to the WWE.
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Post by spaceship on Jan 5, 2011 2:58:55 GMT -5
Pre-Hogan, WCW felt more realistic. Like an actual sport. Not that I don't love unrealism and entertainment, though.
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percymania
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Percymania will live forever! Oh yeah!
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Post by percymania on Jan 5, 2011 3:52:15 GMT -5
WCW Vader >>>> WWF Vader
I agree with this.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Jan 5, 2011 11:25:23 GMT -5
For a long time the wrestling was head and shoulders above WWE at the time. Sometimes I wonder if they had a better structure backstage would the Guerrero's, Benoit's and Jericho's would have been more patient for a push and not jumped as quickly to the WWE. I thought Benoit left because of Kevin Sullivan taking over booking duties?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 5, 2011 12:07:55 GMT -5
For a long time the wrestling was head and shoulders above WWE at the time. Sometimes I wonder if they had a better structure backstage would the Guerrero's, Benoit's and Jericho's would have been more patient for a push and not jumped as quickly to the WWE. I thought Benoit left because of Kevin Sullivan taking over booking duties? Ok so maybe not him but the rest.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Jan 5, 2011 12:35:49 GMT -5
Pre-Hogan, WCW felt more realistic. Like an actual sport. Not that I don't love unrealism and entertainment, though. Lets see....we had The Shockmaster, The Black Scorpion, Oz, Cheatum The Midget, Chamber of Horrors match, Robocop saving Sting. Yep, there's nothing that says realism like what I mentioned above.
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ICBM
King Koopa
Didn't know we did status updates here now
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Post by ICBM on Jan 5, 2011 15:35:46 GMT -5
Pre-Hogan, WCW felt more realistic. Like an actual sport. Not that I don't love unrealism and entertainment, though. Lets see....we had The Shockmaster, The Black Scorpion, Oz, Cheatum The Midget, Chamber of Horrors match, Robocop saving Sting. Yep, there's nothing that says realism like what I mentioned above. LOL, I think the poster meant that the matches and stories for the most part, were more realistic than the WWF cartoonish angles and wrestlers. For what it's worth the WCW creative did those angles you mentioned as a way to match up with WWF style and capitalize on it. They didn't really work out but the main body of wcw shows were more sporting contests. Look at some of the main event match ups from that period: Simmons(all american legit athelete) vs Luger(same), Vader vs Simmons, Cactus Jack(Violent heel) vs Sting(plucky atheletic babyface). Muta vs Sting. I think the body of work pre-Hogan is better known for the realism rather than the failed gimicks. The failed over the top gimicks are fun to point out and ask "what were you thinking" but they were no worse than the WWF and at least WCW had atheletic competition along side the gimickery
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Post by 'Smart' Mark Poindexter on Jan 7, 2011 19:23:33 GMT -5
Pre-NWO days I always thought WCW had funner gimmicks.
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