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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 18, 2011 22:54:30 GMT -5
Or to put it more precisely, what if Vince McMahon had honored his father's last wishes and didn't try to compete with the other territories and make the then-WWF into a national entity?
Asked mostly because alot of people seem to think wrestling would've died off completely if he hadn't come around.
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Post by Throwback on Mar 18, 2011 22:58:34 GMT -5
I think Gagne would have stepped up and done the same thing by taking over the territories
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 18, 2011 23:00:33 GMT -5
It could possibly be found only in conjunction with carnivals
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 18, 2011 23:02:09 GMT -5
I think, if it wasn't Vince McMahon, it would have been someone else. Someone was going to try to go national, there's no doubt in my mind, and they likely would have succeeded. It may have been a few years later, but it would have happened. Then, that company would probably go up against WCW in the Monday Night Wars, etc. etc.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 18, 2011 23:03:31 GMT -5
Shouldn't this be in WWE current?
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Mar 18, 2011 23:04:29 GMT -5
It could possibly be found only in conjunction with carnivals All the wrestlers would smell like cabbage and have small hands?
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Post by The Line on Mar 18, 2011 23:05:19 GMT -5
I think Gagne would have stepped up and done the same thing by taking over the territories Agreed, except I'd be willing to accept other guys as stepping into "Vince's Shoes" as well (Maybe the Crocketts?). I feel that way about most inventions/things of that sort. If Edison had never been born, I doubt we'd still be using candles today. I mean, we wouldn't have had the same bulb Edison invented, and we may have gotten it later (or even earlier), but I still thing we'd get more or less the same thing. Same with WWF/E. If Vince hadn't of done it, I don't thing the territory system would still be around today or anything like that. Someone else would have gone national. It's easy for all the territory guys like Gagne to complain about how Vince killed the territories, but they'd have done the same thing if they had the resources and balls that Vince did.
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Post by cookiethemonster on Mar 18, 2011 23:05:41 GMT -5
There would be no pro wrestling without Papa Vince
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 18, 2011 23:31:17 GMT -5
Here's a scary thought... would it be Bischoff at the top?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 18, 2011 23:33:20 GMT -5
It's easy if you try.
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Post by cookiethemonster on Mar 18, 2011 23:34:19 GMT -5
Here's a scary thought... would it be Bischoff at the top? There would be no Bischoff without Vince. Ted Turner would have never given Bischoff the ball if he didn't see how well Vince did Also no stars for Bischoff to steal from Papa Vince
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 18, 2011 23:40:53 GMT -5
Here's a scary thought... would it be Bischoff at the top? There would be no Bischoff without Vince. Ted Turner would have never given Bischoff the ball if he didn't see how well Vince did Also no stars for Bischoff to steal from Papa Vince Like I said, I don't think Vince is the only person capable of running it. Someone would have. The timeline might have changed, the look might have changed, but it's not like Vince created wrestling out of the dust on the ground and no one else had any ambition. Chances are, we'd have a national promotion now if Vince didn't do it first.
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Post by Orange on Mar 18, 2011 23:42:39 GMT -5
Something like this,
"Vince who?"
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Post by slappy on Mar 18, 2011 23:43:52 GMT -5
I don't think Verne would have done it. Wasn't he mad about Vince doing it? Mad about expanding not just taking his guys.
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Post by cookiethemonster on Mar 18, 2011 23:49:42 GMT -5
There would be no Bischoff without Vince. Ted Turner would have never given Bischoff the ball if he didn't see how well Vince did Also no stars for Bischoff to steal from Papa Vince Like I said, I don't think Vince is the only person capable of running it. Someone would have. The timeline might have changed, the look might have changed, but it's not like Vince created wrestling out of the dust on the ground and no one else had any ambition. Chances are, we'd have a national promotion now if Vince didn't do it first. I guess that's where we differ. I really think Vince Mcmahon was a once in a lifetime individual. He turned a carnival side show into a billion dollar conglomerate. I don't think anyone else could have done it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 23:50:06 GMT -5
Someone would have tried it, but I don't know how successful it would have been, as guys like Gagne and Crockett always seemed to put the wrestling ahead of the entertainment aspect; whereas Vince latched on with MTV just as it began it's ascent and was really quite the visionary. With meshing the entertainment side with also putting on an entertaining wrestling show.
Though, if there is no Vince there could be the possibility that Herb Abrams would be the guy to go national, and we'd be on HerbieCrap forums currently.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 18, 2011 23:53:27 GMT -5
It wasn't really a carnival side show at the time Vince took over. The NWA was the governing body of the regional system, and the regional system was doing pretty well. Vince was just the first guy to take it national, and there's not really anything that spectacular about trying to do something other people are doing, but doing it bigger.
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Post by The Line on Mar 18, 2011 23:54:36 GMT -5
Like I said, I don't think Vince is the only person capable of running it. Someone would have. The timeline might have changed, the look might have changed, but it's not like Vince created wrestling out of the dust on the ground and no one else had any ambition. Chances are, we'd have a national promotion now if Vince didn't do it first. I guess that's where we differ. I really think Vince Mcmahon was a once in a lifetime individual. He turned a carnival side show into a billion dollar conglomerate. I don't think anyone else could have done it. I have to agree with hawk here. I mean, eventually a TV exec or businessman(or a combo of both, like Ted Turner) would have seen that professional wrestling is something that was selling out arenas not only across North America but Europe and Japan as well. With global communication technology(cable and satellite TV, PPV, etc), it was only a matter of time before someone wised up and decided that "Hey, people across the world love this one thing. Rather than having people seek it out locally, how about I give it to them on a national or global scale?". Keep in mind, none of this is a slight to Vince. Rather than him being right place, right time, I feel he was just the first person to realize that the hot iron needed to be struck. Hell, Vince even struck before the iron was hot, and luckily it paid off for him.
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Post by Citizen Zero on Mar 19, 2011 0:01:57 GMT -5
Shouldn't this be in WWE current? Er...yeah, misposted it here by accident. If a mod'd be kind enough to move it please?
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Post by Danimal on Mar 19, 2011 0:51:48 GMT -5
Like I said, I don't think Vince is the only person capable of running it. Someone would have. The timeline might have changed, the look might have changed, but it's not like Vince created wrestling out of the dust on the ground and no one else had any ambition. Chances are, we'd have a national promotion now if Vince didn't do it first. I guess that's where we differ. I really think Vince Mcmahon was a once in a lifetime individual. He turned a carnival side show into a billion dollar conglomerate. I don't think anyone else could have done it. Carnival sideshow? It was much more than that, regional promotions put lots of butts in seats.
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