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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 14, 2011 12:31:09 GMT -5
Michael Cole is so powerful and effective a heel he got Rock Bottomed off Raw last week, had his face smashed into plexiglass on Raw this week, before running away from a Diva on Smackdown. Andre the Giant he's not. Again, its fine that people hate this angle, I have some problems with parts of it too, but to complain it sucks because Cole never gets his comeuppance ignores the facts. Cole's beating by the Rock was a one off thing because it was, well, the Rock. He got his face smashed. It doesnt make up for screwing King out of the title, mocking his mother's death, and 4 months of 2- on 1 attacks He ran from Kharma. Big deal, he's only ripped into the divas for 2 months now. He got chased off once. Hardly what I call fair punishment.
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Post by Cela on May 14, 2011 12:35:30 GMT -5
On a show where people get pedigreed for HELPING HHH. It makes no sense that no one has just laid out Cole yet. How many times have people been kicked in the face for saying a minor flub, let alone nonstop aggravating posturing.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 14, 2011 13:20:22 GMT -5
If this Cole thing does get the Gooker, in my opinion it'll be for this reason:
-A young guy like Zack Ryder does everything he can to get himself noticed, putting on a web show, pushing his character 24/7, doing interaction and outside the box thinking with digital media on a scale better than anyone, creating a fanbase watching his show far larger than the ones watching online WWE programs... and if he's lucky he'll get in some backstage segments on Raw.
-Meanwhile an announcer (AN ANNOUNCER) who doesn't take bumps, doesn't travel the same tiring road schedule, doesn't have to keep himself in the same top physical shape as all the actual workers do... gets a large chunk of individual promo time, and time on commentary on both main shows of WWE programming tp put his character over, often at the expense of actual talent. And who's this heel (with all this focus and attention) getting over with his segments, the WWE wrestler supposedly benefiting from feuding with this major heel? Another announcer who's in his 60s.
And that folks, is why it would be the Gooker.
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Death by Pickles!
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Post by Death by Pickles! on May 14, 2011 13:41:05 GMT -5
King doesn't just beat the crap out of Cole because if he does so out of the ring he'll be fired. King doesn't just hire someone to beat up Cole because he wants to do it himself. Josh doesn't just beat up Cole because he's afraid of getting his ass kicked by Jack Swagger, or because he knows the RAW GM favors Cole and doesn't want to get punished, or because he's too busy laughing at Cole's schtick. Booker doesn't just beat up Cole because all Cole's done is talk smack about him and physically assaulting him could lead to Booker losing his job or even going back to prison. There. Problems solved. I hope this hasn't been no-sold. It's actually really logical, especially Booker and Lawler's parts.
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Post by hossfan on May 14, 2011 15:58:23 GMT -5
As someone who hasn't watched in over a year, how has this angle gone? Did Cole just slowly turn heel because of the anonymous GM? And is this GM ever goign to be freaking revealed? Cole really started to turn during NXT Season One when he was running down Daniel Bryan for being an internet darling. Bryan's pro was the Miz, who felt the same way as Cole did. Cole started to become obsessively supportive of the Miz, singing his praises while criticizing anyone who Miz was feuding with. After Miz became World Champ Cole became even more obnoxious. Things came to a head when Jerry Lawler was given a title shot on RAW against Miz in a ladder match. Cole interfered on Miz's behalf and got beat down by King for it. The rest is history. Really, I think Cole's turn was really well done. He's done a great job for the most part. The feud with Lawler should have ended by now and Cole should have moved on to antagonize someone else, but there have been some good moments even with the whole thing being dragged out.
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Post by percymania on May 14, 2011 16:18:38 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says. I've been loving Michael Cole's evolution into this character that he has become. Some moments have been better than others, but overall I like it. WWE hasn't had a great heel commentator since JBL. (not counting CM Punk's occasional appearances.)
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Post by AztecaDragon on May 14, 2011 16:18:38 GMT -5
As someone who hasn't watched in over a year, how has this angle gone? Did Cole just slowly turn heel because of the anonymous GM? And is this GM ever goign to be freaking revealed? From what I remember the Anonymous GM stuff just exacerbated the problem, but Michael Troll was really getting his sea legs on the first season of NXT by talking malarkey about Daniel Danielson. And the whole GM thing to me is like they did seem like they had an idea of making the GM's identity to be a storyline but Vince McMahon may have gotten distracted by a big, shiny muscleman and lost interest in resolving that. So I guess we're now supposed to assume it's Michael Cole himself...or we're not supposed to care about the GM's identity anymore since everyone on the show just accepts nobody knowing who it is. They might as well legit make the GM's identity "Anonymous." It'd be the best thing since Mike Adamle rose to power. And I agree, the only payoff that's going to be satisfying to me is if everyone Cole has ever berated comes out to beat the living daylights out of him, capped off with Lawler piledriving him and putting him out of action for months. For once I see the logic in building to a Lumberjack match with Cole vs. Lawler, with the Lumberjacks being all the people Cole has trolled over the past year or so... Though I have nothing resembling faith in current WWE booking so I expect either Cole won't get any comeuppance or they'll just book him taking these weak substitutes for a crowd pop...I mean, not even The Miz talked trash about Lawler's dead mother. Cole does and all he gets is his face smashed against his silly booth, which didn't even stop him from still talking trash about spending time with his own mom during the Smackdown show? </rant> It's just I fully expect to feel like WWE has wasted hours having some announcer bury their product, him not getting what he truly deserves leaving the entire product worse off because of it.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 14, 2011 16:20:14 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says. I've been loving Michael Cole's evolution into this character that he has become. Some moments have been better than others, but overall I like it. WWE hasn't had a great heel commentator since JBL. (not counting CM Punk's occasional appearances.) Cole is NOT a great heel commentator. He's an irritant. "HEY, WHADDAYA THINK OF THAT LAWLER?! WHADDAYA THINK OF THAT?! OH, THIS GUY! THIS NERD! THIS LOSER!" does not make for compelling heel commentary. It makes for a worn out mute button.
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Post by funkyjesus on May 14, 2011 16:28:13 GMT -5
They might as well legit make the GM's identity "Anonymous." It'd be the best thing since Mike Adamle rose to power.. Holy crap - the RAW GM hacked the PlayStation Network. Awesome story waiting to happen.
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Post by edtheripper on May 14, 2011 16:48:48 GMT -5
What I hate is how King and Cole only half-sell it - they'll get along fine for most of the show, then to set up Cole's segment he'll randomly insult King for no reason and then they bicker until it's time for Cole to beat him down for the billionth time. I agree. It's silly to hear them getting along fairly well before their segment comes along.
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Post by FailedGimmick on May 14, 2011 17:13:30 GMT -5
Hasn't this angle's segments been getting some of the highest ratings for RAW the past few weeks?
I find myself really enjoying it. I thought the mother's day thing was a bit too much, but not enough to really ruin everything.
As for Gookers go, this is very low on my list with Victory Road '11 as a whole, and Mexican America. If I could, I would also nominate Mex-Pac, because he sucks so much, he deserves one just for existing.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on May 14, 2011 17:30:30 GMT -5
Hasn't this angle's segments been getting some of the highest ratings for RAW the past few weeks? People keep saying this yet never show an ounce of proof to back it up. There was like one week, months ago, that showed a spike in ratings during a Cole/Lawler segment, and even then there could have been a number of reasons other than Cole for the increase in ratings. And yet there's a few people that attribute that one week to mean Cole vs Lawler is a good feud and should continue.
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Post by FailedGimmick on May 14, 2011 17:34:04 GMT -5
That's why I was asking.
I had heard that, but was unsure.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2011 17:38:01 GMT -5
Hasn't this angle's segments been getting some of the highest ratings for RAW the past few weeks? According to the Observer this past week's segment lost 172,000 viewers. The week before that gained 903,000 viewers, but that was more a segment centered around the Rock with Cole simply appearing. The week before that with Ross vs Cole for free on television with no build gained about 366,000 viewers. The week before that with the hideous Knighting ceremony lost 214,000 viewers. So it's about fifty fifty really.
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Tim
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Post by Tim on May 14, 2011 18:55:19 GMT -5
What is with the lack of respect for Michael Cole? He is a Slammy Award Winner! He is undefeated at Wrestlemania! He was a WAR CORRESPONDENT! Hell, he was KNIGHTED BY THE QUEEN!
This is no way to talk about the Voice of the WWE!
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 14, 2011 18:55:37 GMT -5
Perhaps you should all clean your palates a bit. Enjoy this WWEFanNation (those are the ones allowed here, right?) video of Cole getting some early just desserts:
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Post by nisidhe on May 14, 2011 22:37:37 GMT -5
Let's put it in the simplest terms possible. If Cole is in that box on Raw the night after OTL, I'm switching the channel, and sticking to the "W(Rest) of Wrestling" forums.
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Post by Citizen Zero on May 14, 2011 22:42:01 GMT -5
King doesn't just beat the crap out of Cole because if he does so out of the ring he'll be fired. King doesn't just hire someone to beat up Cole because he wants to do it himself. Josh doesn't just beat up Cole because he's afraid of getting his ass kicked by Jack Swagger, or because he knows the RAW GM favors Cole and doesn't want to get punished, or because he's too busy laughing at Cole's schtick. Booker doesn't just beat up Cole because all Cole's done is talk smack about him and physically assaulting him could lead to Booker losing his job or even going back to prison. There. Problems solved. I hope this hasn't been no-sold. It's actually really logical, especially Booker and Lawler's parts. Yeah, because people go to jail for assaulting the announcers all the time in pro-wrestling. I hope you laughed at that statement as much as I did.
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Schemer
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Post by Schemer on May 14, 2011 23:07:29 GMT -5
What is with the lack of respect for Michael Cole? He is a Slammy Award Winner! He is undefeated at Wrestlemania! He was a WAR CORRESPONDENT! Hell, he was KNIGHTED BY THE QUEEN! This is no way to talk about the Voice of the WWE! That war correspondent thing always got to me... What war? The Waco standoff, which I'm aware he covered wasn't a war. Was he really covering Desert Storm as a 22 year old?
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on May 14, 2011 23:11:50 GMT -5
What is with the lack of respect for Michael Cole? He is a Slammy Award Winner! He is undefeated at Wrestlemania! He was a WAR CORRESPONDENT! Hell, he was KNIGHTED BY THE QUEEN! This is no way to talk about the Voice of the WWE! That war correspondent thing always got to me... What war? The Waco standoff, which I'm aware he covered wasn't a war. Was he really covering Desert Storm as a 22 year old? Yugoslavian civil war.
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