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Post by BitterAF on May 11, 2011 16:38:13 GMT -5
I don't think Wade Barrett would have been as good if he didn't spend time at FCW and just jumped into NXT.
FCW isn't a waste. Guys like Barrett, Sheamus, and McIntyre spent their time down there, and while you may not necessarily like those guys, they all came into the WWE with a pretty decent push and will at least be around for the time being. They all had prior wrestling experience, but the reason why they have been successful, I believe, is because they had time in FCW to learn how WWE wants things done. That's what matters, you could be the best wrestler...sports entertainer in the world, but if you don't do things the way your boss wants it done, you're not going to last. You can't constantly be doing your finisher with your back to the hard camera, you have to be able to get used to working a 5 minute match, doing a 5 minute or 20 minute promo and be able to deliver all the points that need to be made. WWE wants things done THEIR way, I'm sure Cena, HHH, and Taker are probably the only guys (maybe one ror two more) that can go out and wing their promos, but for most, like Morrision for example, probably have theirs mostly scripted (it always sounds like MOrrison's is always scripted).
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 11, 2011 18:03:32 GMT -5
Even though some people feel it's a waste of time for indy demigods, it's very necessary. You have to learn how WWE does things in and out of the ring. Certain moves are not allowed. You can't curse in promos. You have to learn WWE locker room etiquettes. You have to work on conditioning. Not every wrestler trained in a good wrestling school. They have to be re-trained because of bad habits they learned.
ROH keep a good number of their trainees off of shows until they prove they actually can hold their own in the ring. Even then, they encourage them to work different promotions and wrestlers to keep improving. TNA throws people on camera woefully unprepared. How many people complained about Lacey Von Erich or Rob Terry? Crimson has a good look but he needs more seasoning. Ms Tessmaucher needs a whole lotta training just to be mediocre. Don't forget how Jeff Jarrett didn't want to wrestle Samoa Joe when he first got there because he didn't think he was safe to work with.
Everyone can always learn something new or improved their game. No one is perfect and godly. Sometimes a little tweaking can bring out the best in someone;example Alberto Del Rio.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 11, 2011 18:12:52 GMT -5
It's necessary, and very good for indy guys or people who haven't been in WWE to "learn the system". But to teach a guy how to wrestle down there? There are only a select few who can pull that off and still be somewhat interesting in the ring, and the only one I've seen is Percy Watson. Everyone else wrestles that same generic CAW moveset and look, and I suggest they go learn to wrestle out in the indies so you can stand out from the CAWs, then come to FCW to mix the WWE style and your own unique style.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on May 11, 2011 18:43:08 GMT -5
Remember Braden Walker? That's what happens when you don't use the developmental territories.
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Post by itsmeitsmeitsmbz on May 11, 2011 19:18:03 GMT -5
The minors are necessary for baseball. Same thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 20:41:01 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with most people passing through FCW, including experienced indy wrestlers.
They aren't learning how to wrestle, people know they can wrestle. They do probably need to get used to the WWE way of doing things however, even if they're only down there for a cup of coffee. There's also the matter of correctly working the hard camera. For some it's an opportunity to cultivate some sort of character too and work in front of a crowd more regularly than they were previously to get a little more comfortable with their presence too.
It's a steady paycheck too. Depending on where a guy is coming from he can at least feel comfortable knowing he doesn't have to go out of his way to be booked. I'm sure most experienced (or even inexperienced) wrestlers know how fickle WWE booking is, you can suddenly be depushed/misused/unused through no real error of your own. In FCW you don't really have so much pressure yet. As long as you aren't stinking up the place you'll probably keep wrestling.
Basically if there's something positive they feel a guy can get out of being there, then he should have a run there.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 11, 2011 23:44:44 GMT -5
TV timing. Promo's. WWE Style. Getting guys used to new gimmicks.
Completely necessary if you're running a huge TV product.
Plus, it gives them a chance to see your work ethic and how you behave outside of the ring before they invest TV time and money into you.
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Post by jsquash on May 11, 2011 23:52:34 GMT -5
In theory it's supposed to teach you how to work the WWE style.
In reality it does nothing, since the current developmental system is trash.
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Post by joebob27 on May 11, 2011 23:56:30 GMT -5
OVW obviously worked, so the concept isn't the problem. But WWE matches are so generic now compared to even how they used to be, it's got to be virtually impossible to just "walk in" and work a match on Raw, even from a content perspective, forget from a TV perspective.
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Post by joebob27 on May 12, 2011 0:11:05 GMT -5
Just to expand on that, I feel like if they gave me a year to learn how to bump, clotheline, punch and lie there like a corpse, and told me I was wrestling John Cena and to study his tendancies, I would have a better match on Raw than a very good Indy wrestler that got told this 5 minutes before they went on.
Which is part of the problem about how they work matches. It's safe, it's relatively botch free, but it's also vanilla, and it's almost like a video game where you have 10 spots to choose from and 4 or 5 of them are the same for everyone.
Jericho is a great wrestler and look at how difficult it was for him to transition cold. And that was when the matches were far more adventureous than they are now. Half of the battle in the WWE style is knowing and perfecting the OTHER guy's spots. Like him botching on Rock's punch sequence.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on May 12, 2011 1:02:26 GMT -5
I've stated before, but short matches/long angles aren't the problem in the WWE; the problem is the maximum match quality, especially main events, and especially on PPV's, have been steadily declining. Sure, we dont' see the worst of the worst anymore, but we dont' see the best of the best, either.
Look, I'm not looking for the best technical matches to happen within 6 minutes, or even 15 minutes. But I do appreciate good matches. I'm not asking for Meltzer-like quality, I just want something that lives up to the hype that WWE creates.
Seriously, most of the main event these days don't have the psychology to make a long match interesting, and don't have pizzazz to make a short match exciting. That's a no-no in matches.
Another issue is matches on TV are short... that's fine, but then matches on PPV are long, yet both matches on TV and PPV are booked similiarly. What the heck? That's just lazy booking, right there.
Another issue is, they have 2 hour show, (1 hour and a half if you count commercial time), yet they can't fit more midcard storylines and angles, not to mention MATCHES, in the middle of the show. You don't need to have michael cole on 20 minutes-he can do fine in just 6 minutes. A Cena match doesn't need to last a half hour, it only needs 15 minutes, probably less. The midcard exists for the middle of the show... USE THEM.
I know this might make TIME management harder, but it's one reason why SD is better liked-there's more content on the show. Sometimes, more content, AND better content. I know why they take more "risks" on SD is because it's taped.
On that... does RAW need to be live anymore? I don't expect a huge disparity in days like with SD (Tape on Tuesday, show on Friday)
But they do the same day taping to give them time to edit the show, or one day delay.
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Post by Citizen Zero on May 12, 2011 1:27:16 GMT -5
Remember Braden Walker? That's what happens when you don't use the developmental territories. FCW doesn't seem to do anything about wrestlers being fat and out of shape.
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Post by Ryushinku on May 12, 2011 2:16:10 GMT -5
When they signed Chris Jericho during the Attitude Era, they didn't send him to developmental, did they? Jericho himself certainly seems to wish now that they HAD. It would've saved him a pretty crappy first few months.
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Post by noleafclover1980 on May 12, 2011 2:59:43 GMT -5
Part of it is getting used to the ring size, ropes, etc. Daniel Bryan opted to go to FCW and made a smooth transition. Sin Cara didn't and looked a tad sloppy his first couple of matches. Stuff like that takes getting used to.
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Post by generationxero on May 12, 2011 14:07:54 GMT -5
In short, it's not necessary. WWE just wants people to do things their way. I Agree, it's why they give them new names, they're a product of wwe now, to hell with all your accomplishments and 5 star matches in indy promotions which is where you made a name for yourself. We own you now.
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Post by Cronant on May 12, 2011 14:13:51 GMT -5
In short, it's not necessary. WWE just wants people to do things their way. I Agree, it's why they give them new names, they're a product of wwe now, to hell with all your accomplishments and 5 star matches in indy promotions which is where you made a name for yourself. We own you now. Thats not a bad thing though.
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Post by kolani on May 12, 2011 14:30:03 GMT -5
I think a few main roster guys need to be sent to FCW for a week or two considering how much trouble they had with the hard camera being moved to the opposite side of the ring this week. Everyone tried to play to the position the hard camera is usually in, but Show and Kane were especially glaring.
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