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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 5, 2011 11:58:04 GMT -5
Ok. Show me how I'm dead wrong. I'd like to hear your explanation for why an average-at-best run of the mill Diva's huge dominating push over pretty much every other Diva on the entire roster just happened to start right about the time she started banging The Undertaker. Please. Enlighten me. You said she learned from "The best" when it comes to burying talent. However, the Undertaker is pretty much universally known as a locker room leader. I've never heard one single shoot interview criticizing the man's backstage demeanor. If he were "the best" at burying talent, we'd get shoot interview after shoot interview from former talent criticizing him like we do HHH and Shawn Michaels. Mick Foley credits much of his success to his feud with the Undertaker. A lot of people credit Undertaker with helping to put Jeff Hardy over, pointing out that UT even broke character to shake his hand after the match. He made Kane's career. He tried to help put over both Vladmir Koslov and Khali (losing clean in squash matches to both), but those pushes failed because they are both great big mounds of suck. He helped cement Orton as a main eventer. Undertaker wants to end his streak. Vince and HHH don't, though, because there's still money to be made, and they haven't found the right person yet. But it's been said in various sources that if/when they do find the right person, he has no problems doing the job. Your statement about her learning from "the best" is completely retarded when the "best" that you're referring to is a universally loved locker room leader who's made the careers of several people who became main eventers. It's the the same old story. People look at Taker's win/loss record and equate that with him not putting people over. Entirely forgetting that putting someone over =/= losing to them.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 5, 2011 11:59:34 GMT -5
Michelle Mccool is better than Melina anyway.
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Post by Cronant on Apr 5, 2011 12:02:17 GMT -5
I don't know how someone can complain about McCool taking the title from Melina, when Melina herself had just pulled the "comeback from an injury and win the title immediately."
Plus the Laycool/Natalya feud was worth it.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 5, 2011 12:02:53 GMT -5
Michelle Mccool is better than Melina anyway. I very much agree. In my mind McCool is the third best female worker in the company behind Beth and Natalya. Layla is a close fourth and I have to think that's largely due to working with Michelle. See I like her and admire her talent, I really do. I just hate how she's booked sometimes. I don't know how someone can complain about McCool taking the title from Melina, when Melina herself had just pulled the "comeback from an injury and win the title immediately." Well that's just it. It was obvious they only put the title on Melina so McCool, who I'll state again wasn't even officially the champion, could unify the titles.
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Post by thevillain on Apr 5, 2011 12:04:30 GMT -5
They don't want women with any kind of wrestling knowledge so they are easier to mold to WWE's standards. They also want models who don't resemble female wrestlers in any way; skinny women with NO muscle mass (because this is more "attractive") Then why didn't they hire Velvet Sky then? That really wasn't called for.
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Post by beez on Apr 5, 2011 12:08:45 GMT -5
They don't want women with any kind of wrestling knowledge so they are easier to mold to WWE's standards. They also want models who don't resemble female wrestlers in any way; skinny women with NO muscle mass (because this is more "attractive") Then why didn't they hire Velvet Sky then? Too muscular, too trashy looking. Most likely.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 5, 2011 12:08:48 GMT -5
Then why didn't they hire Velvet Sky then? That really wasn't called for. Oh, get over yourself. I was genuinely asking.
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Post by beez on Apr 5, 2011 12:09:53 GMT -5
Then why didn't they hire Velvet Sky then? That really wasn't called for. she's been wrestling for almost 10 years and is god awful. It's totally called for. She's barely better than Kelly Kelly.
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Post by "The Natural" Jeremy Grave on Apr 5, 2011 12:15:55 GMT -5
Undertaker didn't break character to shake Hardy's hand, it was a face turn.
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Post by randomranter on Apr 5, 2011 12:20:13 GMT -5
Undertaker didn't break character to shake Hardy's hand, it was a face turn. Face or heel, it was still breaking character for him to raise Hardy's hand for no other reason than to put him over.
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 5, 2011 12:23:14 GMT -5
So uh is there a .gif of Austin yet?
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Post by frogsplash45 on Apr 5, 2011 12:24:26 GMT -5
So uh is there a .gif of Austin yet?
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Post by kevservo on Apr 5, 2011 12:25:45 GMT -5
Ok. Show me how I'm dead wrong. I'd like to hear your explanation for why an average-at-best run of the mill Diva's huge dominating push over pretty much every other Diva on the entire roster just happened to start right about the time she started banging The Undertaker. Please. Enlighten me. You said she learned from "The best" when it comes to burying talent. However, the Undertaker is pretty much universally known as a locker room leader. I've never heard one single shoot interview criticizing the man's backstage demeanor. If he were "the best" at burying talent, we'd get shoot interview after shoot interview from former talent criticizing him like we do HHH and Shawn Michaels. Mick Foley credits much of his success to his feud with the Undertaker. A lot of people credit Undertaker with helping to put Jeff Hardy over, pointing out that UT even broke character to shake his hand after the match. He made Kane's career. He tried to help put over both Vladmir Koslov and Khali (losing clean in squash matches to both), but those pushes failed because they are both great big mounds of suck. He helped cement Orton as a main eventer. Undertaker wants to end his streak. Vince and HHH don't, though, because there's still money to be made, and they haven't found the right person yet. But it's been said in various sources that if/when they do find the right person, he has no problems doing the job. Your statement about her learning from "the best" is completely retarded when the "best" that you're referring to is a universally loved locker room leader who's made the careers of several people who became main eventers. Perhaps 'burying talent' was a poor choice of words. I should have used 'not putting anyone over'. Taker might be a locker room leader but when it comes to actually laying down when it actually matters he makes Triple-H during the height of his egomaniac streak look like Barry Horowitz. Taker puts over who he wants when he wants. He's just had the benefit of being around long enough to justify being treated like a big deal in the business, because he is, and no way am I even attempting to imply that he hasn't earned it. But we weren't talking about Taker. We're talking about the wife....who sadly, doesn't have anywhere close to her husband's longevity, legacy, respect and backstage clout. McCooze is just another dime a dozen blonde Diva with no real personality to speak of who'd have been future endeavored years ago if it weren't for who her husband is. I know you're a mark for her, but seriously. f*** Michelle McCool.
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Post by saintpat on Apr 5, 2011 12:37:14 GMT -5
Melina vs. Alicia Fox in a one hour draw at Madison Square Garden. One of the classic matches of all time. You are mistaken. She was clearly referring to the Melina vs. Alicia Fox 2-falls-out-of-3 in New Orleans, when Alicia submitted to the dreaded double chicken-wing.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 5, 2011 12:38:39 GMT -5
I know you're a mark for her, but seriously. f*** Michelle McCool. Actually that would be me. randomranter thought you were talking about Undertaker, I dunno how he feels about McCool. If you hate her, fair enough. You're certainly not alone there. There are times I can't stand how she's booked either. But I still think her perpetually being the focus of the women's division is due to laziness on WWE's part more than anything else. But may I point out she hasn't been champion for what, nearly five months now? Hasn't even had a title match since January. And again, pinned by Snooki at Mania.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Apr 5, 2011 12:42:52 GMT -5
Melina vs. Alicia Fox in a one hour draw at Madison Square Garden. One of the classic matches of all time. You are mistaken. She was clearly referring to the Melina vs. Alicia Fox 2-falls-out-of-3 in New Orleans, when Alicia submitted to the dreaded double chicken-wing. Dont forget the WWE World Women's Championship tournament in Brazil where Fox won after 45 minutes of strong style back and forth action, finishing it with a Tiger Driver.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 5, 2011 12:44:28 GMT -5
After looking at that GIF I'm starting to think it may have been a work (and I usually hate that term), although Austin is a naturally funny guy so maybe his reaction was legit.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 5, 2011 12:48:42 GMT -5
After looking at that GIF I'm starting to think it may have been a work (and I usually hate that term), although Austin is a naturally funny guy so maybe his reaction was legit. Austin maybe, but I can't see those bottom 3 being good enough actors to pull off such a believable work.
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Post by randomranter on Apr 5, 2011 12:49:50 GMT -5
Perhaps 'burying talent' was a poor choice of words. I should have used 'not putting anyone over'. And I wouldn't have changed a single word of my post. Read my post for a short list of just the main event talent he put over, not counting the random midcarders who went from being virtually unknown to at least having some name recognition by just working with the Undertaker. God, this is so flat out wrong. First, you're of the mistaken mindset that the only way to put someone over is to job to them. Again, Foley credits Undertaker for making his career, yet Undertaker won that feud and almost all the major matches in it. You're not going to find many people who don't think Undertaker put over Hardy even though he won that match. There are ways to put people over without jobbing to them. Undertaker has always done a damn good job of doing that. First, this is wrong. Taker is and always has been a company man. If he's told to job to/put over XYZ, he does it. I dare you to find any credible sources claim that he's refused to job to anyone, put anyone over, or use backstage politics to hold someone down. You're the one who claimed she "learned from the best". I was just pointing out how wrong you were. Where did I ever say that? In fact, if you've followed my posts at all, I've also said that her push is largely due to her marriage to the Undertaker. I don't think it's a direct result of politics on the Undertaker's part, but more of a "respect" thing, for lack of a better way of putting it. Your boss's wife (most likely) has no direct pull/clout in your company. But if she were to show up tomorrow, I guarantee you you'd give her the same level of respect you give your boss. The same thing applies here. McCool is married to someone higher up the food chain, and she's being treated as the wife of someone who's higher up the food chain, for better or worse.
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Post by allenfan69 on Apr 5, 2011 12:49:56 GMT -5
I almost wonder if they gave her this FCW deal just to keep her quiet until the episode aired and she'll be quietly released in the not-too-distant future.
She seems like the kind that would start blabbing spoilers on her Twitter account just to "get even" for being dropped.
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