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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 22, 2011 7:38:18 GMT -5
I really think that alot of the "crybaby" stuff people accuse Bret of is more of them confusing his 1997 heel character with his real life persona (because he played it so well). And that's also the way WWE painted him over the years before he reconciled with them. Even though it was WWE who brought it up all the time. In truth, Bret seemed to have been mostly at peace with the "Montreal" situation since his stroke. I know, right? People can't seem to distinguish between Bret Hart, snide, egotistical and bitter heel and Bret Hart the person. People rag on his mic skills, but people still believe he's that character to this day, despite the fact he's buried the hatchet with some of his worst enemies in the business, in public no less and is friendly to fans, up and coming wrestlers and so on. A lot of people who've met him in recent years have nothing bad to say about him, just check out Evan Bourne's glowing opinion of him toward the end of the podcast he did with Colt Cabana. The one thing he genuinely seems the most proud of is never hurting anyone seriously in his career, I think that's something any wrestler could, and should be proud of.
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Post by repomanfan on Apr 22, 2011 9:07:57 GMT -5
My problem with Bret is that he believed he was the be all end all of Wrestling back in the days of WWF and that he should be treated like royalty. I'm not taking away his accomplishments he has gained over the years, but he's always seemed like a bitter crybaby who thinks the whole world should roll over and give him whatever he wants just because he's the "Almighty" Hitman. He comes off as such a mark for himself it's sickening. well said the man wrote one hell of a book but he is a mark whore for himself I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman".
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 22, 2011 11:42:45 GMT -5
well said the man wrote one hell of a book but he is a mark whore for himself I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman". Though this is Scott Hall, he might have seen a couple of pictures, then hallucenated them everywhere. More seriously, lots of guys do that, like having their title belts on the walls etc, like lots of people when they win a trophy for something will put it above the fireplace, if you have more success, there's more stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 11:49:05 GMT -5
well said the man wrote one hell of a book but he is a mark whore for himself I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman". It's Scott Hall. I mean the guy could have been on anything and made that up. Or just imagined it.
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Post by Disaster Report on Apr 22, 2011 12:22:13 GMT -5
I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman". Yo chico, why you don't have a liquor cabinet here instead of a trophy case, mang? How comes there's two of you? :falls over
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Post by repomanfan on Apr 22, 2011 12:51:12 GMT -5
I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman". It's Scott Hall. I mean the guy could have been on anything and made that up. Or just imagined it. We already know that Bret is a mark for himself, and takes wrestling way too seriously. Having pictures all over his house dedicated to himself is not a far stretch. Hall said that there was picture of Bret wearing his "Sgt Pepper" jacket, right above the head board of his bed. Knowing what we already know about Bret; ya I believe it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 22, 2011 13:14:12 GMT -5
He may have been a hero in Canada, but he shouldn't have allowed it to influence booking when it came to doing jobs.
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Post by probable on Apr 22, 2011 13:45:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Bret can apply a better sharpshooter than Celine Dion, so I'm leaning towards Bret.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 22, 2011 14:53:51 GMT -5
I remember an interview that Scott Hall did a few months back, in which he mentioned that back in the early 90s, the "boys" all went to Bret's house after the matches, and Scott noticed that the entire house(even the bedroom) was decorated with memorabilia/pictures dedicated to Bret, not the family but to Bret. Hall says that from that day on, he no longer had the same level of respect for the "Hitman". Though this is Scott Hall, he might have seen a couple of pictures, then hallucenated them everywhere. More seriously, lots of guys do that, like having their title belts on the walls etc, like lots of people when they win a trophy for something will put it above the fireplace, if you have more success, there's more stuff. I remember Flair in one of his numerous rants against Bret for some reason kept pointing out how Bret has his whole house decorated like a Shrine to him. Flair was using this in his argument that he (Flair) wasn't a mark for himself and could separate himself from the Wrestler.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 22, 2011 15:13:01 GMT -5
Though this is Scott Hall, he might have seen a couple of pictures, then hallucenated them everywhere. More seriously, lots of guys do that, like having their title belts on the walls etc, like lots of people when they win a trophy for something will put it above the fireplace, if you have more success, there's more stuff. I remember Flair in one of his numerous rants against Bret for some reason kept pointing out how Bret has his whole house decorated like a Shrine to him. Flair was using this in his argument that he was a mark for himself and could separate himself from the Wrestler. Flair would have a shrine to himself if he hadn't sold it all to pay for 4 divorces.
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Post by machomuta on Apr 22, 2011 15:14:22 GMT -5
Bret takes wrestling way way too seriously
He can forgive WWE for Montreal and the death of Owen, yet he is still angry at Hogan because he didnt want to put Bret over.
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Post by repomanfan on Apr 22, 2011 15:42:38 GMT -5
Bret takes wrestling way way too seriously He can forgive WWE for Montreal and the death of Owen, yet he is still angry at Hogan because he didnt want to put Bret over. Good point. Vince and Russo pretty much forced Owen to leap off a building for absolutely no good reason; Bret comes to terms with that, but he can't get over the fact that Hogan and Flair criticized him. All three guys have lost touch with reality; wrestling is all they ever had, and the only thing that they know how to do. Lesnar, Ventura and Warrior have moved on. Hogan, Bret and Flair continue to stick around, and relive the same old petty feuds.
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Post by newbombturk on Apr 22, 2011 15:48:06 GMT -5
I remember Flair in one of his numerous rants against Bret for some reason kept pointing out how Bret has his whole house decorated like a Shrine to him. Flair was using this in his argument that he was a mark for himself and could separate himself from the Wrestler. Flair would have a shrine to himself if he hadn't sold it all to pay for 4 divorces. QFT. I remember a shoot interview with Lex Luger circa 93-94 (a rare thing in those days) in a Dutch wrestling magazine (a rare thing to this day). Luger said that Flair was still wrestling (yes, I'm talking 18 years ago here) because he could not separate Ric Flair from Richard Fliehr and was close to bankruptcy.
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Post by azrael502 on Apr 22, 2011 18:06:42 GMT -5
I remember Flair in one of his numerous rants against Bret for some reason kept pointing out how Bret has his whole house decorated like a Shrine to him. Flair was using this in his argument that he was a mark for himself and could separate himself from the Wrestler. Flair would have a shrine to himself if he hadn't sold it all to pay for 4 divorces. LOOOOOOL true ;D
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 22, 2011 18:31:06 GMT -5
He may have been a hero in Canada, but he shouldn't have allowed it to influence booking when it came to doing jobs. When did Bret ever do that? If you're referring to Survivor Series 1997, you're missing a few of the facts. Bret had pretty much agreed to put anyone over that night, other than Shawn Michaels. And he had a good reason for that. He can forgive WWE for Montreal and the death of Owen, yet he is still angry at Hogan because he didnt want to put Bret over. No, Bret had forgiven Hogan and wrote a glowing newspaper column around 2002 or so about how great Hogan was and all the charity work he does with kids. Then a few weeks later, Hogan did an interview and went off on Bret being bitter about Montreal and Owen's death in an interview. That's the real reason Bret hates Hogan. The fact that he wouldn't put Bret over is just a very small part of it.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Apr 22, 2011 18:47:18 GMT -5
But you're not far off... Being Canadian, I can say that we do have this love/hate/inferiority complex relationship with the US, and we do love it whenever any Canuck makes it big south of the border. We do tend to put these people on pedestals. That's why we have a solid gold statue of Dan Aykroyd erected in every city, town and hamlet in the country. The 8x10s of Ernie Hudson we hang in all our bus stops are STILL nicer! USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!!!
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 28, 2011 15:39:33 GMT -5
Well America is huge enough that it's hard to say who their true national heroes are. Canada doesn't have much going for it, apart from Maple Syrup and Brian Adams. They take what they can. This is a joke btw. Thats not true! ..There's also Michael J Fox! Back to the Future rocked! He taught us Lybian extremists can't drive.
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Post by probable on Apr 30, 2011 9:20:55 GMT -5
My problem with Bret is that he believed he was the be all end all of Wrestling back in the days of WWF and that he should be treated like royalty. I'm not taking away his accomplishments he has gained over the years, but he's always seemed like a bitter crybaby who thinks the whole world should roll over and give him whatever he wants just because he's the "Almighty" Hitman. He comes off as such a mark for himself it's sickening. But he was amazing. Simply amazing.
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