Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Apr 15, 2011 19:18:42 GMT -5
... would it be able to compete with WWE, at least on more even ground than TNA does?.... No, the smark booking style we all love (myself included) would keep it from growing enough to be a real threat imo.
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Post by Jam on Apr 15, 2011 19:30:59 GMT -5
ROH's horribly outdated style wouldn't work. 25 years ago, sure. Horribly outdated? So rehashing the Monday Night Wars playbook is fresh? Is the Attitude Era-type product "fresh"? Sure isn't, but it's not horribly outdated, either, and the ratings for that style remained huge throughout its course. It never went out of style. Ring of Honor's wrestling-based serious-toned product is horribly dated and has never proven to be a ratings draw. It went out of style at least 20 years ago, but probably more like 25-30. ROH would get terrible ratings and would be off the air in a matter of months. They couldn't even cut it on a nothing network with low standards like HDNet. No way will they ever make it on a legitimate network like Spike TV.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 15, 2011 19:51:19 GMT -5
ROH would get terrible ratings and would be off the air in a matter of months. They couldn't even cut it on a nothing network with low standards like HDNet. No way will they ever make it on a legitimate network like Spike TV. And you know ROH "couldn't cut it" how? Did it ever occur to you they walked away?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 15, 2011 19:53:19 GMT -5
Horribly outdated? So rehashing the Monday Night Wars playbook is fresh? Is the Attitude Era-type product "fresh"? Sure isn't, but it's not horribly outdated, either, and the ratings for that style remained huge throughout its course. It never went out of style. Ring of Honor's wrestling-based serious-toned product is horribly dated and has never proven to be a ratings draw. It went out of style at least 20 years ago, but probably more like 25-30. ROH would get terrible ratings and would be off the air in a matter of months. They couldn't even cut it on a nothing network with low standards like HDNet. No way will they ever make it on a legitimate network like Spike TV. Yes, the Attitude Era booking is outdated. TV ratings actually gone down each year since the end of the era. PPV buyrates are down. I remember a time when Raw got a 3.1, heads would roll at Titan Towers. Don't even get me started about TNA. If I was going by your standards, Spike needs to cancel The Ultimate Fighter because the highest rating they got this season was a 1.0. The other night they got a 0.9. With Brock Lesnar as a coach. 0.9.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Apr 15, 2011 21:43:35 GMT -5
I went to the Saturday show in Atlanta and was truly impressed with the storytelling in the ring -- I knew maybe half the roster and had little or no clue about how the angles and personalities leading up to the show had played out, yet I didn't feel like I was picking up a book that I was starting to read in the middle.
The action, especialy the tag action, was phenomenal.
Sometimes you have to see someone or something in person to truly appreciate it -- I had heard U2 about a million times, but when I saw them live I realized how great they were. Was given the tickets, wasn't that excited about going, but I was blown away. ROH, same thing. I had seen the Briscoes on youtube and whatnot and was less excited about them than anyone else on the show that I actually had heard of, but they had me at the opening bell.
I have decided to join the cult known as ROH.
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Post by lockedontarget on Apr 15, 2011 23:22:16 GMT -5
ROH is a niche product. If they change who they are, which they will have to do, to be a more mainstream acceptable promotion, then they'll lose a lot of what makes them interesting in the first place, and they'll be trashed for it. If they DON'T change, then you end up with what we have now: people bashing it and often refusing to give it a fair chance at all because of how niche it is. It seems lose/lose for them in some ways.
But they're a successful indy, and really, do they need to be a mainstream hit? As long as they continue to grow and get by and put on an excellent how, who cares if they're not challenging WWE or TNA. I don't want to see ROH become something it's not out of some desperate attempt to be mainstream.
If more people just appreciated ROH and other companies like CHIKARA for being the great alternatives that they are instead of constantly dogging them for daring to tend to the niche fanbase, we'd have a healthier wrestling landscape overall.
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mcmahonfan85
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Apr 15, 2011 23:25:14 GMT -5
ROH would get terrible ratings and would be off the air in a matter of months. They couldn't even cut it on a nothing network with low standards like HDNet. No way will they ever make it on a legitimate network like Spike TV. And you know ROH "couldn't cut it" how? Did it ever occur to you they walked away? that would require him to actually know what the hell he's talking about
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Post by lockedontarget on Apr 15, 2011 23:28:14 GMT -5
ROH would get terrible ratings and would be off the air in a matter of months. They couldn't even cut it on a nothing network with low standards like HDNet. No way will they ever make it on a legitimate network like Spike TV. And you know ROH "couldn't cut it" how? Did it ever occur to you they walked away? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think HDNet even really does the whole "ratings" thing like most other networks. And a large chunk of the ads are for their own shows. If you're going to say they "couldn't cut it" then you should probably give some citations, because the only information I've seen is a simple "the contract ran out, and it wasn't renewed" which could mean anything from HDNet dropping them to ROH deciding that the show didn't really benefit them and walking away. I don't think I've ever seen any concrete ratings information for the HDNet show, I'm not even sure it exists.
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Post by wcw on Apr 16, 2011 22:28:31 GMT -5
When TNA's top guys were Jeff Jarret, Christian Cage, and Sting And a bunch of TNA guys like AJ, Joe, Daniels, and Abyss their ratings weren't that far off from what they are now, AND their buyrates were rumored to be better.
It wouldn't surprise me if ROH had TNA's television deal and some investment from Spike TV that they could get at least similar rating and buys to what TNA does now. But doing better ratings? I don't know they would need a huge investment fiscally that they likely wouldn't have.
Still ROH would likely be a ECW type of alternative rather then TNA's faux WCW type of competition that fails to be more than a niche alternative.
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