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Post by noleafclover1980 on Jul 8, 2011 4:55:11 GMT -5
I've see that thrown around a lot... but other then the fact that the nWo was started by the other half of The Kliq, and Syxx had been doing a crotch chop already, I don't see it. One was a group trying to violently take over WCW... the other made a lot of dick jokes.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 8, 2011 5:11:04 GMT -5
yeah I never saw it that way either. NWO didn't get all shoot happy goofballs till the wolfpac and DX was before that.
Sure there was Hall and Nash just being dicks, but there were so many dudes in the NWO, it didn't feel like it was their main purpose. Like HHH and HBK were just setting out to piss off the audience as much as possible. And quite justified since Shawn kept getting those "gay" chants, and Bret kept calling him a Degenerate during his face run.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 8, 2011 5:31:05 GMT -5
Their objectives were completely different, but both were cocky, fourth wall breaking stables that formed around roughly the same time period, so the comparisons were inevitable.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 8, 2011 12:13:30 GMT -5
Here are some of the similar aspects...
In the beginning, the NWO was confrontational with authority like Bischoff and JJ Dillon (obviously Bischoff later was revealed to be in the NWO). DX was confrontational with Commissioner Slaughter in the beginning and later with Mr. McMahon. DX's original slogan was "You make the rules, and we break 'em!"
-Similarly, NWO was trying to take over WCW and "Rule the wrestling world." Triple H's reformed 1998 version had very similar stated goals.
The NWO spray-painted NWO on people and things. WWF used images of DX being spray-painted on things. This was especially true of the 2000s DX with Shawn and Hunter and there was a t-shirt meant to be DX spray-painted on the shirt.
Members of the NWO parodied the Four Horsemen. DX later parodied the Nation of Domination and the Corporation.
The NWO sometimes were destructive of the WCW sets and property. The reformed 1998 version of DX were destructive of some backstage sets on their second Raw together.
The NWO used gestures which were later used by DX (crotch chops and a unique pointing gesture).
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Post by Young Game on Jul 8, 2011 12:33:21 GMT -5
Rick Rude.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 8, 2011 12:42:28 GMT -5
Rick Rude was in DX first, so DX was not being like NWO in this case... |
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Post by Young Game on Jul 8, 2011 12:47:59 GMT -5
Rick Rude was in DX first, so DX was not being like NWO in this case... Very true. I just think it's hilarious that, for one night, he was in both factions simultaneously. |
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Post by wrasslinmachine on Jul 8, 2011 13:34:14 GMT -5
Still my favorite night when he was on both shows magically haha. |
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Post by FailedGimmick on Jul 8, 2011 13:51:46 GMT -5
Rude jumped because of what went down at Survivor Series '97, didn't he?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 8, 2011 13:55:05 GMT -5
Rude jumped because of what went down at Survivor Series '97, didn't he? Yes. He "shoots" about it on his Nitro debut, scoffing at WWF's World Champion being Shawn Michaels when he never beat Bret Hart. I can't remember if he says anything negative about Michaels, but he does state he shouldn't be champion. That's one of the more forgotten things about Rude's debut, he speaks out against Michaels as WWF Champ when he was appearing with Shawn Michaels on Raw the same night. |
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Post by Cyno on Jul 8, 2011 13:55:52 GMT -5
Both stables had very different feels to them:
The nWo was an army to take over WCW. They were more than just a simple heel stable. They were a focused effort to transform WCW into their own vision of what professional wrestling should be
DX was more a "f*** authority" stable. They didn't want to take over. They wanted to rebel. They trolled the WWF, its higher ups, and the fans.
They had their similarities. I guess it's only to be expected when they're both made up of former Kliq members. But outside of those little things and their general anti-establishment tone they were pretty different.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jul 8, 2011 14:34:58 GMT -5
There's no doubt that the n.W.o. introduced the "*#*# authority," attitude for a stable, and that later influenced DX. The Great Crappler's pretty spot on in his assessment. those things were very obvious to a fan at the time.
The one thing that DX did differently that made it a much more intriguing group for TV was limit it's members. Throughout it's run, there were 7 total members in DX. For the nWo, you need at least 10 hands to count the members.
DX stayed fresh by limiting it's membership, the nWo diluted itself by becoming as big as the "WCW" roster.
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Post by andrewgilkison on Jul 8, 2011 17:25:57 GMT -5
HHH and HBK were basically doing the same thing Hall and Nash were doing in the nWo (being snarky, making worked shoot comments, being anti-authority, being "anti-tradition", even pointing at their crotch), only without the TV-PG gloves on.
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Post by CJ on Jul 8, 2011 18:27:13 GMT -5
They weren't a ripoff of The nWo. However, Eric Bischoff is so convinced that it was
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jul 8, 2011 19:22:10 GMT -5
It wasnt. The nWo was originally a trio of megastars that saw themselves as bigger than the company.
DX were a couple of young punks with nothing to lose.
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Post by thegame415 on Jul 8, 2011 20:33:16 GMT -5
There's a good quote from, I believe, HHH where he says:
NWO was a group of guys trying to take over a company, DX were just a bunch of jack offs having fun.
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Post by freestyle on Jul 8, 2011 22:56:06 GMT -5
The nWo would do the same run in week after week after week. They were cool at first but they got old. Their "coolness" was the shock that WWF guys were taking over.
DX would give mock emotional "Rocky Balboa" speeches, have Hunter run the ropes 20 times ala Warrior etc. It looked like there was effort into what they were doing out there, not "oh great here comes another boring run in."
WCW deserved to fall. They had one GREAT idea and drove it into the ground.[
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 8, 2011 22:58:51 GMT -5
It wasn't.
DX were basically the means for WWF to change their entire product.
The NWO was just an invasion storyline, and once the interest wore thin, nothing had changed for the better.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 8, 2011 23:37:54 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say that WWF started developing stables in response to WCW's enormous success with the NWO. At the end of 1996 saw the Nation of Domination. In 1997 we saw the formation of the Hart Foundation, Savio and Crush were kicked out of the Nation and formed Los Boricuas and the D.O.A. respectively. Shortly after DOA and Boricuas came D-Generation X. In early 1998 we had the NWA and later in 1998 we had the Corporation, which led to 1999's Corporate Ministry and the brief stable The Union.
All that was basically my way of arguing that the success of the NWO for WCW's business led WWF to develop stables. Of course it should be noted that WWE already had a stable before the NWO (the Million Dollar Corporation).
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 9, 2011 4:11:11 GMT -5
I think the initial concepts are pretty similiar, although the nWo was more "serious". But they ended up nothing alike. There's a point where the nWo ceases being a faction, and starts becoming a promotion. Total bloat. I swear, everyone in WCW short of Flair, Page, Goldberg (?) and the Cruisers ended up being in an nWo. Ridiculous and almost none of them added anything to the angle.
Should have kept it streamlined, maybe added a few guys here (how they didn't notice Jericho's mic work and put him in there, I'll never know) and there, and then you could make a case it was "similiar". But not the end product. I don't remember Hardcore Holly or Gangrel
joining DX.
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