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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 16, 2011 10:27:07 GMT -5
Something I don't get - now that it looks like KoW are getting hired, and probably Cabana too, and people talk like it's totally down to Punk.
In that case, how did Punk get hired in the first place? He doesn't have the connections that Danielson has, or the WWE history. I am sure that WWE has the top indy guys on the radar, even if Vince doesn't, why would the assumption be that Punk, who has been off the indy circuit for 6 years now, is leading to their signing? I can even understand Colt Cabana, although he was already wasted there once, but KoW? Am I missing a large past history with Punk/Hero? I miss out Claudio, as he had one-and-a-half feet in the door before, but Hero? I'm not a Chris Hero fan, but it has always seemed like if he got a little more serious he'd be a good fit.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 16, 2011 10:28:05 GMT -5
They've always hired them.
How well it works is a toss up.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 16, 2011 10:30:36 GMT -5
Yeah, them hiring people who went on the indy circuit before coming to WWE isn't some new development. A lot of the guys in WWE had that.
It just so happens that it doesn't always work out.
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Post by ZERO on Aug 16, 2011 10:30:39 GMT -5
Punk and Hero feuded quite a bit in the Indies, most notably IWA Mid-South, so there is history there...
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 16, 2011 10:31:51 GMT -5
who were those security guys during the Nash/Punk segment? 2 of 'em looked like Scorpio Sky & Karl Anderson (cali guys)
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Aug 16, 2011 10:32:50 GMT -5
They've always hired them. How well it works is a toss up. This. A lot of people seem to forget that John Cena was well known on the indy circuit (not necessarily as a technical genius, but still popular) once upon a time. |
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 16, 2011 10:33:02 GMT -5
who were those security guys during the Nash/Punk segment? 2 of 'em looked like Scorpio Sky & Karl Anderson (cali guys) That's who they was. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 16, 2011 10:33:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Claudio had his hands on the doorknob before, and Cabana/Goldman was on the main roster in the past, so it's not like they're getting hired entirely just on Punk's say-so.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 16, 2011 10:36:16 GMT -5
who were those security guys during the Nash/Punk segment? 2 of 'em looked like Scorpio Sky & Karl Anderson (cali guys) They always seem to fill up security and other random rolls with local guys. |
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Post by NashMark on Aug 16, 2011 10:36:43 GMT -5
Almost all wrestlers start in the indies, so I don't see what the issue is. The only ones who don't are those with backgrounds that allow them a direct route to WWE, e.g., amateur athletes/"celebrities," second+ generation stars, etc.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 16, 2011 10:39:01 GMT -5
Additionally, people need to make their minds up - either Punk is an aberration, and the WWE brass want to depush him to maintain the status quo (not just in kayfabe), or he has the opposite of newclearheatz and has some sort of hiring/firing powers, in order to assemble a stable of people with indy background around him. That would, of course, be basically everyone but Otunga.
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Post by Altabane on Aug 16, 2011 10:39:44 GMT -5
Hero and Punk not only feuded a lot, but Punk's said in the past that he's one of his best friends. While I don't doubt Punk suggested that KOW be hired, both Chris and Claudio are perfect for WWE right now.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 16, 2011 11:50:47 GMT -5
They've always hired them. How well it works is a toss up. This. A lot of people seem to forget that John Cena was well known on the indy circuit (not necessarily as a technical genius, but still popular) once upon a time. Exactly. As far as Punk having WWE connections, he and Cena were both friends with the same people, most notably Samoa Joe. Cena was already the top draw in the WWE when Punk got signed. For that matter, Punk had had some very noteworthy matches with Rey and Eddie in the indies as well. Add to that the fact that Raven was pretty big on him and while Vince is no longer a fan of Raven's he still knows a lot of higher ups in the WWE (most notably Shane, who was still involved with the company at the time). He had been on their radar for a very long time. |
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Post by IAmNotAWhippingBoy on Aug 16, 2011 11:54:10 GMT -5
This. A lot of people seem to forget that John Cena was well known on the indy circuit (not necessarily as a technical genius, but still popular) once upon a time. Exactly. As far as Punk having WWE connections, he and Cena were both friends with the same people, most notably Samoa Joe. Cena was already the top draw in the WWE when Punk got signed. For that matter, Punk had had some very noteworthy matches with Rey and Eddie in the indies as well. Add to that the fact that Raven was pretty big on him and while Vince is no longer a fan of Raven's he still knows a lot of higher ups in the WWE (most notably Shane, who was still involved with the company at the time). He had been on their radar for a very long time. Look at you making these connections. big up yourself |
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Post by fella on Aug 16, 2011 12:00:32 GMT -5
This. A lot of people seem to forget that John Cena was well known on the indy circuit (not necessarily as a technical genius, but still popular) once upon a time. Exactly. As far as Punk having WWE connections, he and Cena were both friends with the same people, most notably Samoa Joe. Cena was already the top draw in the WWE when Punk got signed. For that matter, Punk had had some very noteworthy matches with Rey and Eddie in the indies as well. Add to that the fact that Raven was pretty big on him and while Vince is no longer a fan of Raven's he still knows a lot of higher ups in the WWE (most notably Shane, who was still involved with the company at the time). He had been on their radar for a very long time. And there was also Mick Foley mentioning him to Vince for a storyline, so Punk has had a lot of connections before he got signed |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 16, 2011 12:05:43 GMT -5
Punk was also a pretty safe hire. He worked a safe style, could cut promos, and had decent size. It couldn't hurt Punk either that ROH's booker was Gabe Sapolski, and Gabe used to be Heyman's right hand man. And at the time Punk was hired, Heyman, Dreamer, and Foley were all in the WWE inner circle
With guys like Cena, he came from UPW which used to be a huge feeder fed for the WWE (Cena, Miz, and Chris Masters all wrestled there).
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Post by wcw on Aug 16, 2011 12:08:27 GMT -5
Obviously WWE is scouting a lot of indy talent. Why wouldn't they? It would be like an MLB team not scouting international talent simply because they don't want to. I hate all these assumptions people make. Granted they do like to put indy guys through FCW for at least a few months if not a year just to work their style but hey if that's what they do to bring guys up then that's what they do.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 16, 2011 13:01:30 GMT -5
Almost all wrestlers start in the indies, so I don't see what the issue is. The only ones who don't are those with backgrounds that allow them a direct route to WWE, e.g., amateur athletes/"celebrities," second+ generation stars, etc. Basically, if their name's not Snooki, they could be constructed as an "indy guy/girl" to some extent. |
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 16, 2011 13:06:18 GMT -5
My issue with it is that if someone has success on the indies, it's like they're indy forever, and should be jammed into a stable together. I've heard it suggested that Punk should be joined by KoW, Cabana, and Bourne. Honestly, it's like the new "Let's have all the black guys go start a New Nation".
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Aug 16, 2011 14:31:05 GMT -5
My issue with it is that if someone has success on the indies, it's like they're indy forever, and should be jammed into a stable together. I've heard it suggested that Punk should be joined by KoW, Cabana, and Bourne. Honestly, it's like the new "Let's have all the black guys go start a New Nation". They should and they should. |
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