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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 12, 2011 20:22:45 GMT -5
Benoit murdered his wife and son. Nearly took down the entire pro wrestling business during the fallout. Don't blame them for not glorifying him.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 12, 2011 20:23:18 GMT -5
I think you have to take a few other things into account when trying to compare Benoit with Snuka, not the least of which is WWE's situation in the business world (such as being a publicly traded company now) and how that fallout was exacerbated in the much larger media environment. Yeah he's still on the title histories but, if I remember correctly, you can't click on the link to get the info about it like the others. I think that pretty much defines their stance of him. They acknowledge that he performed and won titles, but they're removing any situation that it might seem like they're glorifying him.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 12, 2011 20:27:45 GMT -5
I only even think about Benoit when something like this gets posted every 2 or 3 months around here. Frankly, getting in a tither about a man who killed his wife and child not being recognized for his accomplishments in a predetermined contest seems a bit odd to me.
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Post by joebob27 on Aug 12, 2011 20:33:50 GMT -5
I think you have to take a few other things into account when trying to compare Benoit with Snuka, not the least of which is WWE's situation in the business world (such as being a publicly traded company now) and how that fallout was exacerbated in the much larger media environment. Yeah he's still on the title histories but, if I remember correctly, you can't click on the link to get the info about it like the others. I think that pretty much defines their stance of him. They acknowledge that he performed and won titles, but they're removing any situation that it might seem like they're glorifying him. I don't disagree, it just seems in their paranoia to not look like they're selling him in any which way, they're tearing a significant bit of their tape library to shreds. It gets to a point where, when is enough enough. Four years after the fact, if they're still scouring their website, they've probably reached the point of enough.
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Post by PrimeTyme on Aug 12, 2011 20:54:36 GMT -5
I have nothing really to add, as the Benoit discussion has been done to death. But I'm fine with WWE not mentioning him unless it absolutely calls for it, case in point, Summerslam Anthology. If it is just a random wrestler dvd, then no don't include him. The fans that whine and moan about it can easily just YouTube his matches.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 12, 2011 21:02:32 GMT -5
I think you have to take a few other things into account when trying to compare Benoit with Snuka, not the least of which is WWE's situation in the business world (such as being a publicly traded company now) and how that fallout was exacerbated in the much larger media environment. I think that pretty much defines their stance of him. They acknowledge that he performed and won titles, but they're removing any situation that it might seem like they're glorifying him. I don't disagree, it just seems in their paranoia to not look like they're selling him in any which way, they're tearing a significant bit of their tape library to shreds. It gets to a point where, when is enough enough. Four years after the fact, if they're still scouring their website, they've probably reached the point of enough. I doubt they're scouring it, or they'd have found it sooner. It was probably some intern or something who was updating profiles and saw it.
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Post by nashbby4lyfe on Aug 13, 2011 2:59:22 GMT -5
Benoit murdered his wife and son. Nearly took down the entire pro wrestling business during the fallout. Don't blame them for not glorifying him. da fk.. His crime/profile had no impact on the business. I never liked benoit but being a fan of wrestling i wouldnt stop watching the show Im not that liberal.
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Post by Totorob101 on Aug 13, 2011 5:01:35 GMT -5
I honestly dont care.I loved Benoit when he was around but since that dark day,i have no intrest in seeing him or his name anywhere ever again.He was a hero of mine but he destroyed all he ever accomplished with what he did.I wouldnt care if he was never mentioned anywhere ever again.I dont understand why it bothers people so much about his name not being used on the website or such.
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Post by molson5 on Aug 13, 2011 10:18:31 GMT -5
I think you have to take a few other things into account when trying to compare Benoit with Snuka, not the least of which is WWE's situation in the business world (such as being a publicly traded company now) and how that fallout was exacerbated in the much larger media environment. Exactly. WWE isn't making a moral call here they're making a business call. If the WWE isn't careful on the Benoit thing, when another wrestler dies tomorrow, you can bet on MSNBC they'll have the story, "The WWE has CONTINUED to profit off of the legacy of double murderer Chris Benoit". They don't have the same concerns with Snuka though....I think they may have even toned down the hero worship of him the last few years....not the same degree as Benoit, of course, but Snuka presents a much smaller risk. Maybe they don't have to go as far as they do, maybe they should go further. It's a tough call and they have to make it - we get to just complain about it, call them "foolish" and think we're so much smarter than people whose livelihoods depend on making the right call here. I think they found a happy balance that should protect them when the S**T hits the fan again (which it will, this is pro wrestling after all). They could probably highlight him a little more and still be OK, but why take the risk? Screw Benoit, play it safe...that's be my approach as well.
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Post by flatsdomino on Aug 13, 2011 11:57:47 GMT -5
When they had an article a couple years ago on WWE.com about Orton's first title win under "SummerSlam Moments", they only referred to Benoit as "Orton's opponent" or "His opponent". It was pretty amazing, the lengths they went to to get around ever mentioning his name and seeming like Orton had won the belt from some nameless dude at the 2nd biggest show of the year.
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Post by I *still* ✡ Johnny on Aug 13, 2011 13:02:45 GMT -5
I also remember they blurred out his face on a picture once.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Aug 13, 2011 13:12:34 GMT -5
That's the thing. I was under the impression Benoit was considered persona non grata within WWE. However, the mention in the title history does contradict that statement. For that matter, he was on the Elimination Chamber set. Though removing any and all commentary referring to him rendered that match basically unwatchable. Good thing he was the second guy gone. It's that bit that I find stupid. It's perfectly understandable that they want to keep Benoit mentions to a minimum, but if you're going to include his matches on DVD sets I think it's stupid to edit over commentary.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Aug 13, 2011 13:33:28 GMT -5
Here's a thought....what if part of the ban is some sort of court-ordered thing or an agreement with the families.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 13, 2011 13:41:15 GMT -5
Here's a thought....what if part of the ban is some sort of court-ordered thing or an agreement with the families. I don't think they faced any courts over Benoit, but they did come under review from the House of Representatives in regards to talent wellness. And considering Congress usually leaves things like this open-ended, like its anti-trust exemption with baseball, to hang over the companies heads, that might actually be a huge, and incredibly valid reason not to advertise Benoit ever again.
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