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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 7:10:40 GMT -5
NEW STABLE: Michael Hennig Ted Dibiase Jr. David Flair Brian Lawler Theme Song: Jerry Lawler: "SON"; Ted Dibiase: "I"; Curt Hennig: "AM"; Ric Flair: "DISAPPOINT:" + David Flair's old theme Lacey Von Erich could be their valet and Nick Hogan could be their limo driver. Throw in David Sammartino as their manager, and you have the 2nd Generation Job Squad! Can they be billed from Planet Stasiak while we are at it?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 3, 2011 7:13:38 GMT -5
As "Average Joe" Hennig. He could do some vignettes similar to his fathers, except instead of being "Perfect", he would just be "Average." Make it happen. I've been saying this forever, so of course I approve.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 3, 2011 9:39:45 GMT -5
I said it before, and I'll say it again
Let him drop the name and just go as "Joe Hennig"
Team with him with Ted DiBiase as a straight shooting "Brain Busters"-esque tag team, with Arn Anderson as their manager.
Neither of these guys have what it takes in the singles divisions and WWE desperately needs tag teams.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 3, 2011 10:00:38 GMT -5
I said it before, and I'll say it again Let him drop the name and just go as "Joe Hennig" Team with him with Ted DiBiase as a straight shooting "Brain Busters"-esque tag team, with Arn Anderson as their manager. Neither of these guys have what it takes in the singles divisions and WWE desperately needs tag teams. I feel putting them in tag teams would help them both develop, but not with each other. Find veterans with charisma who can help cover the weaknesses they both have and over time they'll gain confidence which will let their natural charisma show. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels didn't start out as the workers they became, they had team gimmicks and guys like Jim Neidhart and Marty Jannetty to help get them over, the WWE needs to remember that. As for making him 'Average' Joe Hennig... I'm thankful no-one who thinks doing that to a guy is a good idea will ever get anywhere near a spot on WWE creative. That would be a flat out burial character and as flawed as he may be, he's done nothing to deserve that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 10:48:49 GMT -5
NEW STABLE: Michael Hennig Ted Dibiase Jr. David Flair Brian Lawler Theme Song: Jerry Lawler: "SON"; Ted Dibiase: "I"; Curt Hennig: "AM"; Ric Flair: "DISAPPOINT:" + David Flair's old theme Lacey Von Erich could be their valet and Nick Hogan could be their limo driver. Throw in David Sammartino as their manager, and you have the 2nd Generation Job Squad! Half of the wrestlers are 3rd generation. McGuillicutty is not average at all in the ring. He's quite good, he just lacks charisma and experience. He rarely botches, he has intensity, he can mat wrestle, and has a nice finisher. He's better than a fair bit of the roster.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 3, 2011 10:50:25 GMT -5
...he's done nothing to deserve that. Starting now, at this moment, right now, starting this moment, this will be, right now... ...yeah, nothing at all.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 3, 2011 10:54:27 GMT -5
...he's done nothing to deserve that. Starting now, at this moment, right now, starting this moment, this will be, right now... ...yeah, nothing at all. Oh please, if giving a mediocre or bad promo was burial worthy, you'd have half the roster stuck with horrible gimmicks seemingly designed to make sure they can't get over. It'd be like the mid 90's all over again.
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 3, 2011 10:54:33 GMT -5
...he's done nothing to deserve that. Starting now, at this moment, right now, starting this moment, this will be, right now... Right now right now? Maybe this should be is theme: Shawn Stasiak's last theme in WCW sounds like it, it gave him a bit of identity I think.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 3, 2011 11:01:21 GMT -5
Starting now, at this moment, right now, starting this moment, this will be, right now... ...yeah, nothing at all. Oh please, if giving a mediocre or bad promo was burial worthy, you'd have half the roster stuck with horrible gimmicks seemingly designed to make sure they can't get over. It'd be like the mid 90's all over again. This case was extra apropos, because it was The son of Mr. Perfect, of all people Epicly botching his star-making moment with a horrible promo and the worst beatdown clusterf*** to ever take place on WWE TV. It would have been perfectly fitting to run with "Hey, my father was Perfect, but I'm just an Average Joe" from that point on (Especially considering Perfect was a fairly good looking guy, and McGillicutty had the premature balding/combover thing going on).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 11:08:23 GMT -5
McGillicutty won't be pushed.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT HIM TO BE!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 3, 2011 11:25:15 GMT -5
Throw in David Sammartino as their manager, and you have the 2nd Generation Job Squad! Half of the wrestlers are 3rd generation. McGuillicutty is not average at all in the ring. He's quite good, he just lacks charisma and experience. He rarely botches, he has intensity, he can mat wrestle, and has a nice finisher. He's better than a fair bit of the roster. Truth be told, you can say the same thing about Teddy Junior. Both are exceptionally talented wrestlers, they just don't have all that much charisma. And while I've heard that they're only on the roster because of their names, I'd give a theory to the opposite; how much flack would they be getting if they weren't following such exceptional speakers as Teddy Senior and Mr. Perfect? I think it's reaching to compare the two of them, for all their vanilla-ness, to all-around failures like David Flair and Brian Christopher who couldn't make up for anything with anything, either in the ring or on the mic.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 3, 2011 11:30:12 GMT -5
Oh please, if giving a mediocre or bad promo was burial worthy, you'd have half the roster stuck with horrible gimmicks seemingly designed to make sure they can't get over. It'd be like the mid 90's all over again. This case was extra apropos, because it was The son of Mr. Perfect, of all people Epicly botching his star-making moment with a horrible promo and the worst beatdown clusterf*** to ever take place on WWE TV. It would have been perfectly fitting to run with "Hey, my father was Perfect, but I'm just an Average Joe" from that point on (Especially considering Perfect was a fairly good looking guy, and McGillicutty had the premature balding/combover thing going on). How much experience working for medium-large companies had Joe Hennig had before his notorious NXT promo? I mean, really, his debut was in 2007, working for Harley Race's WLW then straight on to FCW so there was no stint in TNA or ROH for him to hone his skills before hitting the big time. Curt Hennig had been wrestling for 8 years, and had been the AWA champion before he was given the Mr. Perfect gimmick so yeah, I think it's unfair to expect Joe to be on that level based on who his father was. It's not even like Curt was around to help during his training either, to give advice on cutting promos like Ted Jr's or the other second generation guys like Orton or the Usos. And I don't think Curt was a particularly good looking guy, he had the same slighty redneck looking guy with flowing blonde locks look that Jeff Jarrett had going on. He looked okay in a suit, but that's about it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 3, 2011 11:40:20 GMT -5
The problem is...Joe Hennig is average. I would not want this emphasized on WWE TV. He doesn't have his father's good looks, mic skills, or charisma. He's good in the ring. I think 'Average' is a HORRIBLE nickname in wrestling. Hell, it's worse than 'Above Average' Mike Sanders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 11:43:21 GMT -5
The way I see the "Average Joe" gimmick is an identifiable everyman, kind of like Dusty Rhodes' "son of a plumber" schtick.
The only problem, though, is that Hennig doesn't have the charisma of Dusty - or if he does, he hasn't been allowed to show it.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Aug 3, 2011 12:09:27 GMT -5
The way I see the "Average Joe" gimmick is an identifiable everyman, kind of like Dusty Rhodes' "son of a plumber" schtick. The only problem, though, is that Hennig doesn't have the charisma of Dusty - or if he does, he hasn't been allowed to show it. I appreciate the idea of "Average" Joe Hennig, however, two things: 1) One of the primary buzz phrases you hear all the time in and around wrestling is "larger than life characters." Even "Hard Times" Dusty Rhodes was in a way was larger than life. A bleach blonde bullhorned voice fellow who looks like he might lead a union strike works. He's a character that rises above the crowd, he's different. I'm not saying that its impossible to make an "Average Joe" gimmick into something interesting, but........ 2) Subtlety. Subtlety has never been WWE Creative or wrestling in general's strong suit. More likely than not, the "Average Joe" gimmick will mutate into a "dumb loser" gimmick very quickly. It'd get played for laughs for a couple months maybe: "He's won fifty percent of his matches" "He just won that match with your everyday, average bulldog" but as I said, I don't know how long WWE would be willing to run with it, and while running with it, how creative they would be with it.
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