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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 22:32:20 GMT -5
Am I one of the few who doesn't really see the guy as "Number 1 guy" potential? Not that I can point out someone on TNA who is or anything. No. The guy is as bland as bland can be.
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Post by DSR on Jul 4, 2011 23:58:28 GMT -5
slightly off topic, but it always bothers me whenever they talk about how AJ is so young and ambitious and the future of the company when he's been there from the beginning and has been a world champion four FREAKING times. And then they've been saying this off and on since like, 2007. I don't know if they've said it lately. But they've said it multiple times in the past Yeah, it's like he's been the Future of the company for 8 years. Like, when does he get to be the Present of the company?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 5, 2011 0:27:34 GMT -5
I got tired of saying this long ago. Same here, but I'll still say it again. AJ Styles should be the goddamn John Cena of Impact Wrestling. He has no business being anywhere but at the top of the card as a babyface.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 5, 2011 5:02:12 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with AJ being moved around the card, but he needs to be marketed and showcased in advertising (the key word here) as a far bigger deal. Plus he needs to be winning a lot more.
WWE's work with the Rock in 1999 as well as their booking of HBK through his last run were fantastic examples of how to make an upper-midcarder seem like they were a heartbeat away from the world title, which TNA needs to show AJ as being.
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Post by crabnebula on Jul 5, 2011 8:08:14 GMT -5
i'd like to see a.j. take a break from TNA/IW. He's not gonna be the face of the company anymore. Those days of TNA are over. Jeff's already out of power. Dixie gave control to Hogan and Bischoff and they have a different vision for the company. Spike could possibly be interested in acquiring TNA and they'll probably have their vision for the company that's totally different from what they're doing now or what they've done before.
ROH might be a good option. I'm sure they'd treat him like an ace. Hell, there might be more dignity in going to FCW and working his way up to a midcard star on Smackdown. If any of that is even possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 9:00:23 GMT -5
Am I one of the few who doesn't really see the guy as "Number 1 guy" potential? Not that I can point out someone on TNA who is or anything. No. The guy is as bland as bland can be. Agreed with both of you. I see guys like Morgan and Pope being more "franchise" players than Styles (or Joe). Roode is someone who has the look and mic ability to be something more than he is, same with James Storm. But AJ, to me, is exactly what I mentioned earlier. A dependable guy the company can count on when they are in a bind, but not someone who can be the face of the company.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 5, 2011 9:27:26 GMT -5
TBH, I think AJ's a lot more charismatic and good on the mic than people give him credit for. I'd put him well above Jeff Hardy on the talking scale.
Yes, he has a goofy drawl and no, he's not in Hogan or Angle's league, but he can handle himself during a promo when he's not doing the generic Built This Company stuff. He showed some good comedic timing when he was Christian Cage's right hand man, and some of his promos when Flair was managing him (pre-Fortune) were a lot more coherent and to the point than Flair's when he just acted like a crazy old man.
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Post by Chip Jordan on Jul 5, 2011 10:07:48 GMT -5
The mis-use of AJ is one of the most depressing things about TNA/Impact.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 5, 2011 11:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it's like he's been the Future of the company for 8 years. Like, when does he get to be the Present of the company? That's it exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 12:24:31 GMT -5
slightly off topic, but it always bothers me whenever they talk about how AJ is so young and ambitious and the future of the company when he's been there from the beginning and has been a world champion four FREAKING times. And then they've been saying this off and on since like, 2007. I don't know if they've said it lately. But they've said it multiple times in the past Yeah, it's like he's been the Future of the company for 8 years. Like, when does he get to be the Present of the company? Like during the Flair storyline I remember Naitch saying something along the lines of "i remember being a young kid just like you, the whole wrestling world right at my fingertips.." or some shit and I was just like, "Hes 33 freaking years old! AND HE HAS 4 WORLD TITLES! YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH HIM!"
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Post by Objection! on Jul 5, 2011 13:21:40 GMT -5
I agree with you guys and I think he should be THE guy.
Thing is, mates of mine that don't watch the show regularly don't like him. The feel like he's way too arrogant and cocky, and even after I explain how good he is and he's been there from day one...it doesn't make any difference.
I don't know if this would be a widespread view amongst casual watchers, but if so...could this be why he isn't where most of us think he should be?
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Post by ICBM on Jul 5, 2011 19:29:43 GMT -5
U never know he could end up as the top guy next month. Doubtful but anyway what I am trying to say is u can't push everyone at once. Keep him on tv involved in something close to the main event until they put him back in there. For crises even Angle, Rock, HHH and Taker have been in the same position after being champ. It happens in wrestling. This isn't new
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 6, 2011 0:04:04 GMT -5
One of the biggest shames of TNA is that they've completely wasted most of these guys since around 2006. Their "youth movement" isn't very young anymore. AJ's 33 now, Samoa Joe's 32, Daniels is 40, Beer Money are both 34, Matt Morgan's 35, The Pope's 33...most of these guys are gonna start slowing down in the next few years. In Joe's case, he's probably past his prime as he's completely ballooned in weight and slowed down, maybe past the point of no return. The guys they still have in their 20s...Lethal was released (maybe, still not sure if that was storyline), and The Guns had one good push in FIVE YEARS, and who knows if Sabin will ever be the same after shredding his knee. They put Amazing Red under a mask and dressed him up even more indy than he already was, and then took him off TV. I appreciate what they're trying to do with Gunner & Crimson. Gunner's only decent though, and Crimson is the absolute wrong guy for THAT push. He sucks. They already have a guy who wasn't green that could make something out of the Goldberg push (Matt Morgan), but they've booked Morgan like a complete turd. 2007-2011 has been pretty crappy for TNA...if only for the fact that it peed away pretty valuable years in most of these guys' careers. At this point it's time for the homegrown guys to man up do what the Kliq did in the early 90s. Remember it was a point in time in the WWF where it wasn't the golden days of the 80s and guys like HHH, HBK, Nash, Hall, Pac and others pretty much decided to run the place, went to Vince McMahon to throw ideas around and Vince was so impressed by their guts that he supported them. To get the push and successes. AJ and Joe have been too nice. It's time for AJ, Joe, Daniels, Beer Money, etc....to put their foot on the ground meet management and say you push us at the top of the ladder or we're gone.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 6, 2011 1:01:29 GMT -5
I got tired of saying this long ago. Same here, but I'll still say it again. AJ Styles should be the goddamn John Cena of Impact Wrestling. He has no business being anywhere but at the top of the card as a babyface. To compare the two, as I have done before, really tells the story. AJ Styles won the first X-division championship on June 26. The next night on Smackdown John Cena debutted accepting Kurt Angle's open invitation. At WMXX in March of 2004 John Cena won his first WWE gold becoming the US Champion. The next month in April of 2004 AJ Styles won the NWA heavyweight title. FOR THE SECOND TIME. Cena won his first Heavyweight title in April of 2005 at WM21. A month later AJ Styles was a three time heavyweight champ, beating Jarret at Hard Justice in May. So how the hell is he the future? He should be the present. He should be the go to main event guy like Cena. He's recognizable, over and associated deeply with TNA. His problem is TNA doesn't want to be associated with TNA.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 6, 2011 15:53:08 GMT -5
Same here, but I'll still say it again. AJ Styles should be the goddamn John Cena of Impact Wrestling. He has no business being anywhere but at the top of the card as a babyface. To compare the two, as I have done before, really tells the story. AJ Styles won the first X-division championship on June 26. The next night on Smackdown John Cena debutted accepting Kurt Angle's open invitation. At WMXX in March of 2004 John Cena won his first WWE gold becoming the US Champion. The next month in April of 2004 AJ Styles won the NWA heavyweight title. FOR THE SECOND TIME. Cena won his first Heavyweight title in April of 2005 at WM21. A month later AJ Styles was a three time heavyweight champ, beating Jarret at Hard Justice in May. So how the hell is he the future? He should be the present. He should be the go to main event guy like Cena. He's recognizable, over and associated deeply with TNA. His problem is TNA doesn't want to be associated with TNA. I just don't understand why they won't get behind a guy who is great in the ring, is ridiculously over with the TNA audience, and is incredibly loyal to the company. It's mind-boggling.
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Post by CJ on Jul 6, 2011 17:38:10 GMT -5
To compare the two, as I have done before, really tells the story. AJ Styles won the first X-division championship on June 26. The next night on Smackdown John Cena debutted accepting Kurt Angle's open invitation. At WMXX in March of 2004 John Cena won his first WWE gold becoming the US Champion. The next month in April of 2004 AJ Styles won the NWA heavyweight title. FOR THE SECOND TIME. Cena won his first Heavyweight title in April of 2005 at WM21. A month later AJ Styles was a three time heavyweight champ, beating Jarret at Hard Justice in May. So how the hell is he the future? He should be the present. He should be the go to main event guy like Cena. He's recognizable, over and associated deeply with TNA. His problem is TNA doesn't want to be associated with TNA. I just don't understand why they won't get behind a guy who is great in the ring, is ridiculously over with the TNA audience, and is incredibly loyal to the company. It's mind-boggling. Well, he wasn't a big star in WCW or WWE...that's probably why
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Post by machomuta on Jul 7, 2011 15:52:49 GMT -5
I just don't understand why they won't get behind a guy who is great in the ring, is ridiculously over with the TNA audience, and is incredibly loyal to the company. It's mind-boggling. It is really not that mind-boggling, if you have heard him talk.
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Post by ICBM on Jul 7, 2011 17:46:00 GMT -5
The problem with the "you push us to the top of the ladder or we're gone" deal would be that the last time it happened (Benoit, Guererro, Malenko and Saturn) only two of the four enjoyed success and unfortunately success ended they're careers and well, they're lives all at once. Not saying this would happen to the four names mentioned a few posts up up that is a scarry history lesson for someone who would consider doing that
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 7, 2011 22:29:07 GMT -5
The problem with the "you push us to the top of the ladder or we're gone" deal would be that the last time it happened (Benoit, Guererro, Malenko and Saturn) only two of the four enjoyed success and unfortunately success ended they're careers and well, they're lives all at once. Not saying this would happen to the four names mentioned a few posts up up that is a scarry history lesson for someone who would consider doing that Depends with where they go. If they would leave TNA and go to the WWE then fat chances as the E is even more politicaly charge than TNA and it's even harder to make it there. And at least in TNA AJ, Joe, Beer Money have a past so they won't be jobbers but in WWE they would have to start down the ladder. But if with the new income of ROH with their television deal and new owners would be there to welcome these guys they could shine there. ROH would jump at the chance to have them, especially to come off as legitimate since they want to take the next step to become a bigger promotion. And these wrestlers could do well there for years to come. Of course they would not make as much $$$ as in TNA at first but you never know what would happen in the futur.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 8, 2011 0:55:51 GMT -5
I just don't understand why they won't get behind a guy who is great in the ring, is ridiculously over with the TNA audience, and is incredibly loyal to the company. It's mind-boggling. It is really not that mind-boggling, if you have heard him talk. You mean like that awesome promo he did when Fortune turned face?
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