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Post by FailedGimmick on Jul 23, 2011 12:19:47 GMT -5
Goldust recently took over WWE's Diva division, and if Natalya Vs. Alicia Fox from this week's Superstars is any indication, things have the potential to really turn around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 13:11:46 GMT -5
A few years ago, sure, but they're honestly almost completely interchangeable now. How many time traveling soul witches with educated zombie companions, country music stars, and big black cougars does WWE have again? Zero, and it's still too many.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 23, 2011 13:15:02 GMT -5
TNA has Winter, so they win by default.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 23, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
TNA has Winter, so they win by default. indeed
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Post by BigAl on Jul 23, 2011 16:24:26 GMT -5
Well WWE did have Winter once, if that counts.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 23, 2011 16:40:58 GMT -5
If they still had her, I'd gladly say that WWE were the winners, particularly considering that they have people like Natalya and Beth as well.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 23, 2011 18:09:20 GMT -5
Shimmer>>>>>>Knockouts/Divas
Really after watching Shimmer and some Japanese women's matches (Megumi Kudo Rocks) I find women's wrestling in WWE/TNA to be pretty much unwatchable.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 23, 2011 20:48:01 GMT -5
From the beginning of the KO division til the beginning of the Hogan/Bischoff regime, the KOs were the best women's division in wrestling. They had a perfect mix of characters, wrestlers, sex appeal, everything. They stood out, like, I can't say enough good things about them during that time. Recently, they've kinda fallen since Hogan and Bischoff came in, I'm not sure if it's this good o'l boys type of deal with them. They seem to be beefing up the KO roster though, but not by much it seems.
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Post by dlg3000 on Jul 23, 2011 20:58:20 GMT -5
I think theyre both pretty bleh right now. At least the TNA girls have storylines though, and not random 88 girl tag matches where no tags are ever actually made. That I agree with. Many of the Knockouts aren't just models learning how to wrestle like some of the Divas. But there are many of the Divas who are talented wrestlers.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 23, 2011 22:58:35 GMT -5
A few years ago, sure, but they're honestly almost completely interchangeable now. How many time traveling soul witches with educated zombie companions, country music stars, and big black cougars does WWE have again? Honestly I just meant in-ring wise. The brawls and short matches are fairly comparable. The Knockouts may have the potential to do more in-ring, but they rarely get to show it-- I'll concede they get actual characters. However, it's a far cry from where they were two-three years ago.
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Post by percymania on Jul 23, 2011 23:37:45 GMT -5
I agree with OP. I love the Knockouts. They have a better name and everything.
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Post by BigAl on Jul 24, 2011 0:06:58 GMT -5
A few years ago, sure, but they're honestly almost completely interchangeable now. How many time traveling soul witches with educated zombie companions, country music stars, and big black cougars does WWE have again? well to be fair, all three of them was from the WWE!!!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 24, 2011 1:34:28 GMT -5
A few years ago, sure, but they're honestly almost completely interchangeable now. How many time traveling soul witches with educated zombie companions, country music stars, and big black cougars does WWE have again? If you mean Victoria, she's Italian. Ah well, if it means anything, I used to think Taz was black.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jul 24, 2011 11:03:51 GMT -5
i would agree mostly due to the fact that the diva's are still one big amorphous blob of blandness. They have the talent there and talent being called up, but they don't do anything with it. it's bad enough we get tag matches where not one tag is made and ends in a clusterf*** in less than a minute. but outside of Beth Phoenix, Natalya, the Bella's, and K2 no one is defined as anything, they're all just......there. and to me none of them are really defined as anything, other than Bella's being LayCool 2.0 and Kelly being poor in ring champion who took years to get over. Natalya and Beth haven't done anything in a long time and are still respected and liked b/c of their past accomplishments and being seen as the best in the division.
where as TNA, Tara is involved in two angles now, Madison is the queen bee who redefined herself and had a long (too long) of a reign, but it made her a threat. Sarita and Rosita are part of a group, ODB and Jackie are the female Outsiders, Miss tessmacher is now involved with Tara, Velvet is ruler of all feuds, Mickie is your competent champion, Winter and Angelina are (an odd) but still definable tandem and both are involved in a Velvet storyline as well as a Mickie James one.
i mean compare that to the WWE. we have Kelly in a feud with the Bella's. we HAD something going on with Aj, Kaitlyn, Tamina, and Natalya but i dunno where that went, outside of that no one really seems to be important. with TNA the KO's aren't as special as they once were, but each one of them are important to a storyline in their own way. granted they're also not storyline's lighting the world on fire, but it's less cookie cutter image and run together music (save for a couple in the WWE).
have they went the route of the Divas in TNA? most definately, but it could also be one of these long drawn out storylines that they seem to like to do setting up for the 'original' badass Knockouts to come back and take their division back. but that, much like Immortal, isn't working as well as it could.
sorry to rant, but it occurred to me why i think TNA is still better than WWE. i don't care about one Diva being pushed in WWE. whereas i love Winter, respect the hell out of Tara, acknowledge Madison for making it and staying there, and i'll always mark for Miss Jackie. (i wish she would team back up with James Storm...i dunno why)
WWE will be inferior until they recognize they have a ridiculous amount of talent. Alicia Fox should be pushed beyond token black Diva who is hot, Gail Kim's role is easily defined and could get over with the fans if they let her wrestle, Eve could be a bigger deal and has a well of talent waiting to be developed, then you have AJ who will be a big deal one day i hope, as well as Natalya and Beth ready to carry the division on their backs.
with TNA they could be doing better. with WWE they could at least be doing SOMETHING.
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Post by wcw on Jul 24, 2011 13:56:03 GMT -5
In terms of overall talent the Divas and KO's are actually about even. Both have good workers and both have bad workers. But the KO's get more air time and while its not the best booked it is actually booked. There are feuds and some attempt to give them personalities which is more then the Divas get most of the time.
Still the quality of the KO's since Hogan got there has gone tremendously down.
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Post by Corre.222 on Jul 24, 2011 13:59:03 GMT -5
Sarita drastically tips the balance into the TNA Knockout's favor.
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Post by wcw on Jul 24, 2011 14:00:27 GMT -5
Goldust recently took over WWE's Diva division, and if Natalya Vs. Alicia Fox from this week's Superstars is any indication, things have the potential to really turn around. Its not the booking with the Divas. Its really the air time that they are allotted. If you are only given one short segment on two shows what can you really do with that? The KO's are usually given a full segment plus some secondary interview time. Its not well booked at all, however the time allotment TNA gives them (On their main show) is what gives the KO division an edge. I think if WWE gave the Divas more time you would see an improvement.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 24, 2011 14:09:10 GMT -5
....with TNA they could be doing better. with WWE they could at least be doing SOMETHING. Bingo, you win the interetz. ;D
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jul 27, 2011 20:07:06 GMT -5
The Knockouts have a deep roster and are better-used on TV, but the Divas have a very good roster.
Honestly, it's a wash since they kinda cancel each other out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 21:00:28 GMT -5
Shimmer>>>>>>Knockouts/Divas. Bingo, and the fact that TNA uses some of shimmer roster in the early days of the knockout division (Kong, Hamada, Daffney, Sarita, Taylor Wilde, Madison Rayne, Roxxi, Cheerleader Melissa and etc.) pretty much prove that without shimmer...their wouldn't be a knockout division.
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