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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 17:17:33 GMT -5
You want to help Chris Brown, Punk? See if Vince will foot the bill for some rehab and counseling for the boy. You using his infamy to elevate your own fame makes you nearly the same kind of scum. Jesus christ no it doesn't, he beat up a woman and any opportunism on Punk's part is nothing to that.. The world is full people just as bad or worse than Brown. Punk going around trying to instigate fights with any of them? How about he bring up Austin hitting Debra next time he sees him? How about mouthing off to Mike Tyson about Desiree Washington? Punk is doing this either as a work that he and Brown are in on or because he sees a chance to elevate his public perception by picking a fight with a noted celebrity who has assaulted a woman. Punk's actions do nothing for Rihanna or any other victim of assault and make light of the entire situation for the sake of a trashy wrestling angle. If Vince or someone in the E put him up to it and he's just towing the company line then I understand and take back what I've said, but if this is Punk's idea of creating waves, then yes, he's very near Brown level as a person.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 20, 2012 17:19:56 GMT -5
Jesus christ no it doesn't, he beat up a woman and any opportunism on Punk's part is nothing to that.. The world is full people just as bad or worse than Brown. Punk going around trying to instigate fights with any of them? How about he bring up Austin hitting Debra next time he sees him? How about mouthing off to Mike Tyson about Desiree Washington? Punk is doing this either as a work that he and Brown are in on or because he sees a chance to elevate his public perception by picking a fight with a noted celebrity who has assaulted a woman. Punk's actions do nothing for Rihanna or any other victim of assault and make light of the entire situation for the sake of a trashy wrestling angle. If Vince or someone in the E put him up to it and he's just towing the company line then I understand and take back what I've said, but if this is Punk's idea of creating waves, then yes, he's very near Brown level as a person. First, Austin and Tyson not only took their punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did like Brown. Second, calling out a s***stain like Brown is no where near level with beating a woman damn near death.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 20, 2012 17:20:59 GMT -5
Jesus christ no it doesn't, he beat up a woman and any opportunism on Punk's part is nothing to that.. The world is full people just as bad or worse than Brown. Punk going around trying to instigate fights with any of them? How about he bring up Austin hitting Debra next time he sees him? How about mouthing off to Mike Tyson about Desiree Washington? Punk is doing this either as a work that he and Brown are in on or because he sees a chance to elevate his public perception by picking a fight with a noted celebrity who has assaulted a woman. Punk's actions do nothing for Rihanna or any other victim of assault and make light of the entire situation for the sake of a trashy wrestling angle. If Vince or someone in the E put him up to it and he's just towing the company line then I understand and take back what I've said, but if this is Punk's idea of creating waves, then yes, he's very near Brown level as a person. You should read this (page 4 onward) - i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/05/brown.warrant.pdfPunk's not making light of the situation or trying to create waves, rather he's having fun at the expense of a subhuman wretch like Chris Brown. I don't see how insulting someone who beat the f***ing shit out of a woman is anywhere near comparable to beating the f***ing shit out of a woman. And "there's people just as bad as Brown" is NOT an excuse for Chris Brown. Come on now.
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Post by The OP on Feb 20, 2012 17:32:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that's an outrageous claim. Punk is not in any way, shape, or form a bad person for insulting Chris Brown on twitter.
By the way, not that it matters, but I saw Brown perform on SNL a while back and I don't even think he's that good honestly.
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Post by diegorivera on Feb 20, 2012 17:36:14 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event?
Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing?
You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself.
BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did."
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Post by norsisclouds on Feb 20, 2012 17:37:11 GMT -5
He choked, punched, bit her, held her captive and told her he was going to kill her.
Um...and CM Punk is the bad guy for calling him out on being asshole?
This isn't about race, this is about an unrepentent woman-beater who could've killed his ex-girlfriend, who would very likely go on to do this again because he has shown that he just doesn't give a shit about it and he doesn't think it's a big deal.
How can you defend that?
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 20, 2012 17:37:17 GMT -5
My guess is that WWE will tell Punk to cool it because they love kissing celebrity ass and they wouldn't want him ruining a possible future WrestleMania guest singer. I don't think you have to worry about that ever happening, lol. I'm pretty confident in saying that WWE wouldn't pay a guy who beat up a woman to sing for their biggest show. And I don't think they'll tell him to stop tweeting things like that since cozying up to Brown would be seen in a bad way for WWE. As for my thoughts on what Chris Brown did... yeah, I can't stand him or his music at all with the exception of Look At Me Now.
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Post by The OP on Feb 20, 2012 17:37:57 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't Punk responding to someone's comment or something? I don't remember how it started, but I don't think he just brought it up out of nowhere. Even if he did, big deal, a lot of people are talking about it. Are you saying Punk can't have an opinion on a celebrity like a normal person because he is also famous?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 17:40:22 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think that CM Punk's biggest issue is that he sees himself like an average joe, so he acts like one. Normal people like me have made comments just like his about Chris Brown, but it never starts anything because we're just common folk. It's not like TMZ is going to latch onto me saying "I'd love to show Chris Brown what it feels like to get hit in the face by a man" on my facebook or something. Punk just needs to be more aware of his pseudo-celebrity status. But why? Is this going to lead to something bad happening to CM Punk? What the hell is the big deal here? He made one comment that he'd like to have a match with Chris Brown and whoop his ass. Chris Brown made some shitty comebacks. And now its dead. This is not going to have any repercussions whatsoever. Punk should just do what he wants, and let everyone else continue to blow it out of proportion.
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Post by pepsitwist on Feb 20, 2012 17:40:38 GMT -5
Chris Brown is a bully, WWE doesn't like bullies. They'd never work with him. Punk is well within his rights to insult him.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 20, 2012 17:44:49 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing? You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself. BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did." With your last paragraph you're confusing "CM PUNK," the character we see on TV with CM Punk, the guy (Phil Brooks) on Twitter. Completely different contexts. You seem far more interested in just bad-mouthing CM Punk and attempting to convince us this was all for attention, rather than consider maybe he just wanted to make a Chris Brown insult joke on Twitter. I do it as well, does that mean I'm getting a Wrestlemania payday? Punk's taken PLENTY of regular no-name joes to task on his Twitter. When expressed happiness that the gay marriage bill passed in NYC last year and people were tweeting at him why they were against it, he called them out for their segregation and close-mindedness. Would you be this upset if punk made a Kim Jong Un joke?
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Post by The OP on Feb 20, 2012 17:45:01 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think that CM Punk's biggest issue is that he sees himself like an average joe, so he acts like one. Normal people like me have made comments just like his about Chris Brown, but it never starts anything because we're just common folk. It's not like TMZ is going to latch onto me saying "I'd love to show Chris Brown what it feels like to get hit in the face by a man" on my facebook or something. Punk just needs to be more aware of his pseudo-celebrity status. But why? Is this going to lead to something bad happening to CM Punk? What the hell is the big deal here? He made one comment that he'd like to have a match with Chris Brown and whoop his ass. Chris Brown made some s***ty comebacks. And now its dead. This is not going to have any repercussions whatsoever. Punk should just do what he wants, and let everyone else continue to blow it out of proportion. That's a good point. Say what you will about either guy, they're both busy men who have probably forgotten all about this already. It was a brief exchange on twitter for cryin' out loud. The only reason I even cared enough to comment on this is because I thought it was weird for anybody to come to Brown's defense, but whatever.
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Post by blues on Feb 20, 2012 17:45:58 GMT -5
Rofl. This is funny on so many levels. Or sad, depends how you look at it. Girls throwing themselves at some rapceleb(?) asking to get beaten. Wierd world.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 20, 2012 17:46:59 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing? You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself. BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did." You're acting like CM Punk did this to put his name in headlines. Exactly what proof do you have to leap to that conclusion? Maybe, just maybe, CM Punk made a throw-away comment on Twitter about an asswipe of a human being that has recently been in the news, bringing back up all the drama with him & Rihanna. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 20, 2012 17:48:42 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Considering he's spoken out against it several times, I'd say he does. Who said it makes Punk a hero? I just many people agreeing with him. Given that ShitStain brought this upon himself with his attitude at the Grammys, then trying to pick up women by promising not to hit them and the sheer number of idiots begging him to beat them with him laughing about it, he's put it back in the spotlight. Really don't get what you're going for with this one. Unless I missed something, the HBK stuff was kayfabe.
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Post by kerda on Feb 20, 2012 17:51:24 GMT -5
I'm always amazed at how much support Chris Brown gets, from both women and men, whenever the topic of him being a violent scumbag comes up.
And in truth, the reason people STILL, years later, get on Brown is because he's spent the subsequent time coming off as the most belligerent, unrepentant a**hole on the planet. He's a guy who believes that people attack him because they're "haters", or they're just jealous of him being the Kimbo Slice of domestic violence. A GMA reporter asks him about his being a violent thug, and his rebuttal is to attempt to throw a chair through a window, and comforting himself with delusions that he's being unfairly persecuted by "the media".
People knock Chris Brown because he's wholly deserving of it. Young female musicians get practically stoned to death for just "dressing too sexy" and/or being "bad role models", yet Brown has an entire generation of very young, very impressionable girls and women tripping over themselves trying to justify his being an abusive goon. THIS is the guy who gets welcomed back to the Grammys with open arms and granted multiple performances.
Am I saying that hitting a woman means you should never be forgiven, or that you should lose everything you have? No, but you should pay dearly, and you should be humble. You should accept that your actions are always going to haunt you to some degree, but make an honest effort to address your demons and recognize that there's a huge gulf between valid critique and unwarranted "hate", and to just mindlessly conflate the two shows both a moral and intellectual failing.
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Post by Michael Coello on Feb 20, 2012 17:53:18 GMT -5
Yeah, i forgot what Chris Brown did. It was tax evasion, right?
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Post by BatPunk on Feb 20, 2012 18:01:49 GMT -5
Just to take this in another direction, I'm happy that CM Punk wants to use a Curb Stomp on Chris Brown. I really love watching that move. Loved it when Paul Birchill used. Love that Cheerleader Melissa uses it. It just looks devastating when realistically done. I really hope Punk busts one out on Raw and adds it to his repertoire. .... and back to thread!
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Feb 20, 2012 18:02:30 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing? You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself. BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did." You have displayed an absolutely stunning lack of perspective in this thread. I hope in time you are able to see the error of your view.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Feb 20, 2012 18:02:45 GMT -5
Okay then, so how about the non-famous assaulters of women, (or really, anyone for that matter)? Punk have any righteous indignation for them or just the famous guy who would make for a attention grabbing Wrestlemania main event? Look, I don't doubt that Chris Brown is nearly the lowest type of person you can find and has serious issues with anger and violence compounded by an unwillingness to accept responsibility and fault and probably does need to be smacked around a bit by someone larger and stronger than himself just so he knows how it feels, but why is Punk the one who suddenly takes it upon himself to do it? And what about that makes him special or a hero as opposed to the many, many others who have said the same thing? You can feel different all you want, but if Punk is trying to stur the s*** just to pop a buyrate with a disturbed celebrity with very real issues that need something more than an arena full of people and a PPV audience to spread his undeserved fame to deal with then Phil Brooks comes very close to having some issues that may qualify him for a bit of smacking around himself. BTW, Punk brought up Michaels old drug issues despite HBK getting clean. Shouldn't that mean Austin, (and by extension, Tyson's) old issues are par for the course despite them taking, "punishment without bitch but got counseling, moved on and haven't made a f***ing joke out of what they did." Do you read your own posts? He hasn't said anything about Brown a million people, male and female, many probably stronger, tougher and more capable in a fight than him, haven't said already. So why is Punk doing it to make a name for himself and not the millions of others who have commented?
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