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Post by lewis1711 on May 11, 2012 20:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah, posts like these don't contribute to the discussion at all. Just because you're a woman doesn't mean you have to automatically support a clear goldigger-- she was married for 3 years and INTENTIONALLY hired Linda Hogan's attorney. No defense. She isn't owed alimony because she signed a pre-nup. What's not to understand? What's love got to do with it??? I'm not defending her actually, I'm more or less taking issue with the general cynicism in this thread. What happened to make all of the guys in here lose faith with the entire female gender? I could care less about her personally, but some of the angry caustic responses to marriage and divorce here are just plain sad! I disagree strongly with you lumping in the aversion to marriage that many men have, to those same men automatically being misogynists. The angry caustic responses to marriage and divorces make perfect sense seeing as men have everything to lose from them and nothing to gain. I love women, but I would never, ever marry one.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 11, 2012 20:54:49 GMT -5
I think 'nothing to gain' is overstating it a bit.
I understand the apprehension, and the negative viewpoint, and hell I'd be leery of marriage myself, but to act as if there's NO benefit.. that's a bit much.
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Post by Shazam on May 11, 2012 20:56:45 GMT -5
I'm not defending her actually, I'm more or less taking issue with the general cynicism in this thread. What happened to make all of the guys in here lose faith with the entire female gender? I could care less about her personally, but some of the angry caustic responses to marriage and divorce here are just plain sad! I disagree strongly with you lumping in the aversion to marriage that many men have, to those same men automatically being misogynists. The angry caustic responses to marriage and divorces make perfect sense seeing as men have everything to lose from them and nothing to gain. I love women, but I would never, ever marry one. Amen. There are really only four reasons to get married: A)You're getting married as a commitment or representation of your love. Personally, I don't think anything that can be ended at any time with one legal filing and a lawyer can be considered a commitment. B)You're getting married as a way to legitimize your love to your god. Personally, atheist. Not really a problem with me. If your religion says you have to, well, sorry to hear that. C)One of the people is attempting to get legal immigrant status as a result of the marriage. If you are both citizens in your country, which is fairly common, not really an issue. D)It's a money thing. Mortgages, insurance, what have you. Now, frankly, A is a falacy, C is a rarity, and B is left to personal religiousness. You're left with D. My grandmother asked me "Do you think you'll ever get married again?" And my answer was plain and direct. "Yup, if she's rich. And not Trump rich, just makes six figures and owns a house rich. Given pay inequalty in this country, that's not looking like a good prospect." I can 100% see myself spending the rest of my life with one woman. I see a 0.01% chance of doing that while married.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on May 11, 2012 22:48:44 GMT -5
One of my friends found this and posted this. But yea based on stuff I'm reading in here marriage aint gonna be for me. YIKES!!!!!
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Post by nisidhe on May 11, 2012 22:52:17 GMT -5
I honestly can't believe this was no-sold: He decides to go home (remember the last guy who took a vacation to see his family?) Seriously, though, Cena's got little to worry about. WWE has seen its PR machine come under some very tight controls that protect the company's image and the image of those in its employ. Cena is at the top of the heap right now, so the wagons at WWE are circling 'round him tighter than a concrete wall painted with silicone. They're already telling him to keep to his hotel room and to entertain there if he needs to, and the rest of the roster to keep out of camera shot whenever they're out. Anything out there will be spun so fast and hard that Liz will look stupid for even bringing it up. There are two reasons why WWE would be interested in keeping Cena's image clean through all this. The Hogan divorce is one, the Benoit case the other. I would not be surprised if the pre-nup was created with the help of WWE's legal department, specifically to help keep Mrs. Cena's mouth shut about anything going on or, failing that, to make any allegations she may make less than credible and without substance. Cena is too important at the moment to WWE to let his estranged wife smear either him or them in the press or the courtroom. They may have to start depushing him afterwards for putting them in the position of having to do this, but it's very good business sense for WWE to back their cash cow.
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Post by Lord Bendtner on May 11, 2012 23:01:10 GMT -5
As someone who is a) very happily married and b) a "permanent resident" of the US, I do take some offense at what the other poster said about some people only getting married to get citizenship. It just so happens the person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with was from another country. It led to a lot of frustrating issues with immigration but never once have I thought "oh cool, now I get to be a US citizen eventually!"
On a related note, I think a huge problem in America especially is this notion of you HAVE to get married. Hence why the divorce rate is so high here. There's this expectancy and a lot of people simply aren't ready or just cut out for marriage and the responsibilities and changes that come with it. I married literally 2 weeks after Cena did, at age 23, and I'm in fact more happy than I was when we got married. We just work things out because we WANT it to work. We compromise and talk things through.
My educated guess would be that Cena simply wasn't able to be married to both the road and his high school sweetheart at the same time. He had to pick one or the other. I just hope the proceedings aren't too messy and they both move on so they are where they want to be in life.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 12, 2012 0:31:04 GMT -5
Wow, some of the post on here are just mindblowing to me.
1) Marriage is a wonderful institution....if you get it right. My wife and I will be celebrating our 15th anniversary later this month and we are very happy together. We have had our fights like anyone else, but we both fight fair, take each other's feelings into account, and settle our differences quickly. Granted, our marriage is not representative of all, but it is proof that if done right it is very worthwhile. If something were to happen to my wife I would come unglued (and my wife would feel the same should something to me).
2) Just because a man is the one in a relationship that earned the money does not mean that he deserves it all. I seriously doubt that Cena lives in a Winnebago down by the river. He had a estate that needed to be managed on a daily basis while he was on the road. If his wife were not home he would have needed to hire someone to take care of things while he was on the road.
3) Let's say that you don't feel that running the home isn't a real job. First, try telling that to a homemaker. Just make sure that you do so while she is not within reach of any kitchen utensil that could be used to pummel or stab you.
Second, put yourself in still-happy-in-the-marriage Cena's shoes. You work like a damned dog for the WWE. You come home from time to time worn out. You probably want your wife to take care of you emotionally, sexually, and literally while you are home. If she is tired due to working her own job because you insisted that your money was not hers, she is not likely to be prone to taking care of your every need. As a result, you are going to insist that she not work.
Well, that makes sense, but why does that entitle her to anything after the marriage? Essentially, to take care of his home and needs she sacrificed years of working time. Not only is that money she did not earn, but it is also years spent not developing a work history. As anyone trying to find a job in this economy can tell you, an extended period without a work history can seriously hurt your job opportunities. Therefore, to take care of her part of the marriage that John is now dissolving (against her wishes) she hurt her own career. That is what entitles her to a share of the money.
4) Hiring the lawyer that she did does not state a damned thing about her morals. She hired a lawyer with an established record in the field of divorce law. Are you going to tell me that Cena is simply going to hire some two-bit lawyer to represent him? No, he is going to hire the best bulldog lawyer he can as well. She hired someone that might be able to compete with the high priced lawyers that Cena or the WWE can muster.
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Post by nastard on May 12, 2012 1:03:23 GMT -5
1) Marriage is a wonderful institution....if you get it right. My wife and I will be celebrating our 15th anniversary later this month and we are very happy together. We have had our fights like anyone else, but we both fight fair, take each other's feelings into account, and settle our differences quickly. Granted, our marriage is not representative of all, but it is proof that if done right it is very worthwhile. If something were to happen to my wife I would come unglued (and my wife would feel the same should something to me) That point may be countered that it isn't necessarily marriage that causes your happiness, but rather the love you share. Which, by the sound of things, would be present whether you two were married or not. I mean, it's not like marriage is a magic spell cast on a couple that makes the love stronger and forces them to work harder at it. Some people don't require marriage to reach that level of happiness, and they don't need it to prove their undying love and commitment to a person. Sure, it can help legitimize the relationship but I can definitely see how marriage isn't a necessity for some couples.
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Post by Dub H on May 12, 2012 1:19:07 GMT -5
I dont think any of the guys here lost hope in every single female ever,that's a little exageration.Let's stop te fighting,can't we all be friends?THIS DIVORCE IS TEARING US ALL APART
And that picture..Workrate,the sexiest thing in wrestling!
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on May 12, 2012 6:30:36 GMT -5
Somewhere in the US today, Rock is laughing his ass off. Seriously though, I feel bad for the both of them. If that douchebag of a divorce lawyer is any indication, this is going to become even more painful for them than it surely must be already. Well, since Rock went through his own divorce, Rock isn't laughing at all.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on May 12, 2012 6:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah, posts like these don't contribute to the discussion at all. Just because you're a woman doesn't mean you have to automatically support a clear goldigger-- she was married for 3 years and INTENTIONALLY hired Linda Hogan's attorney. No defense. A clear gold-digger? She met him in high school, when he wasn't even rich. She hired Linda's lawyer because she's not walking out of this thing empty handed. She's pissed Cena ended it and aims to do work. You just described a gold digger. She's pissed and she is being petty about it. Instead of handling like a mature woman, she is trying to take hmi for everything Cena has. As for the lawyer, People need to realize that he is just grandstanding in order to get sympathy for his client. He knows damn well the pre-nup will limit what she can get, so he is simply grandstanding to get Cena to pay up to shut him up.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on May 12, 2012 6:51:40 GMT -5
Cena should hire Jerry McDevitt. She'll be paying him by the time Jerry is done with things.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 12, 2012 9:36:49 GMT -5
A clear gold-digger? She met him in high school, when he wasn't even rich. She hired Linda's lawyer because she's not walking out of this thing empty handed. She's pissed Cena ended it and aims to do work. You just described a gold digger. She's pissed and she is being petty about it. Instead of handling like a mature woman, she is trying to take hmi for everything Cena has. As for the lawyer, People need to realize that he is just grandstanding in order to get sympathy for his client. He knows damn well the pre-nup will limit what she can get, so he is simply grandstanding to get Cena to pay up to shut him up. At what point did she or her lawyer say that they were going for 100% of the assets? That is just assuming. As I said before, by law, if nothing else, she is entitled to half of the earnings accrued during the marriage. No pre-nup can limit that even if that language is written into it. It violates the law and is therefore unenforceable. The thing is that judges don't always make their decisions based on the law. Let me give you a personal example: My oldest son is my step-son. My wife had him with an ex who turned out to be quite worthless as a human being (I have opened threads about him recently in the off-topic section). He had been thousands of dollars behind in child support but eventually convinced my son that living with him would make life the Whistling Fantastic a few years ago. We let him move in with his dad but we were unwilling to pay child support to a man that owed us about $7K in back support. We had a contract drafted in which we would close his case (which does not eliminate the debt, just stops collection efforts on it) in return for him never filing for support himself. The contract, which he signed, clearly stated that if he filed support we would reopen the case and the debt would still be owed. We had a lawyer look at the contract and verified that it was exactly within the law. Well, long story short is that after his dad cut him off financially, my wife's ex needed someone to sponge off of so he filed for child support. My wife had a lawyer friend look at all the pertinent paperwork and she confirmed that 1) the debt was still valid and that the law said that it had to be paid, and 2) by law the ex could only file for back support up to the date of his filing and not for the three years that he had my son without filing. As a result of knowing what the law said, we did not hire a lawyer to represent my wife at the hearing as we could not afford to do so. Well, that did not work. The judge tossed out the ex's past due amount and ordered my wife to start paying child support. He did that despite clearly stating in the courtroom that legally he could not do so, but felt it was the right thing to do. My wife tried to argue that she had been spending more on the boy that the father had despite the fact that he lived in his father's place (which was true, sadly enough). The judge said that spending that money was her choice, not her responsibility, so he said that had no bearing on his choice. That's right, the judge said that his decision violated the law, but he was enforcing an illegal decision because he felt it was right. That stuff happens. Granted, my wife's lawyer friend volunteered to represent her in this case pro bono and we probably will get this reversed, but it is not a guarantee. It would have been better to have prevented the decision in the first place, which is what Liz is trying to prevent by hiring a lawyer in the first damned place.
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Post by Widow's Peak on May 12, 2012 10:14:46 GMT -5
Somewhere in the US today, Rock is laughing his ass off. Seriously though, I feel bad for the both of them. If that douchebag of a divorce lawyer is any indication, this is going to become even more painful for them than it surely must be already. Well, since Rock went through his own divorce, Rock isn't laughing at all. Oddly enough, he seems to have had a pretty amicable split from his ex. I believe that she still manages his charity or some business affairs. Cena should hire Jerry McDevitt. She'll be paying him by the time Jerry is done with things. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention Jerry. He'd be enough to give anyone nightmares.
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Post by eJm on May 12, 2012 10:18:08 GMT -5
Well, since Rock went through his own divorce, Rock isn't laughing at all. Oddly enough, he seems to have had a pretty amicable split from his ex. I believe that she still manages his charity or some business affairs. Yeah, it wasn't even so much of a divorce as a very straightforward seperation. One joint statement and that's it.
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Post by Shazam on May 12, 2012 10:50:16 GMT -5
1) Marriage is a wonderful institution....if you get it right. My wife and I will be celebrating our 15th anniversary later this month and we are very happy together. We have had our fights like anyone else, but we both fight fair, take each other's feelings into account, and settle our differences quickly. Granted, our marriage is not representative of all, but it is proof that if done right it is very worthwhile. If something were to happen to my wife I would come unglued (and my wife would feel the same should something to me) That point may be countered that it isn't necessarily marriage that causes your happiness, but rather the love you share. Which, by the sound of things, would be present whether you two were married or not. I mean, it's not like marriage is a magic spell cast on a couple that makes the love stronger and forces them to work harder at it. Some people don't require marriage to reach that level of happiness, and they don't need it to prove their undying love and commitment to a person. Sure, it can help legitimize the relationship but I can definitely see how marriage isn't a necessity for some couples. Thank you. Sums my point up nicely. Love is love. Marriage is marriage. Sinatra was wrong.
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Post by Sektor on May 12, 2012 11:00:39 GMT -5
It's mildly annoying how everyone is automatically on Cena's side. He could've had an affair or been psychically abusive...You never know. We both know damn well that Cena isn't able to learn Psychic! On a serious note, Cena is almost 300 lbs of muscle. If he had gotten angry enough to actually hit her, we would've heard about it by now.
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Post by CrazySting on May 12, 2012 11:28:22 GMT -5
Lance Storm talked about the Cena divorce on f4w. Basically said he was stunned when he even got married in the first place because it was well known was his schedule was like and there was no point marrying someone if you barely ever saw them.
It's a good point. Even taking out the cheating rumors, marriage was probably doomed anyway. WWE is Cena's life, his wife wasn't even a close second.
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Post by CrazySting on May 12, 2012 11:31:10 GMT -5
It's mildly annoying how everyone is automatically on Cena's side. He could've had an affair or been psychically abusive...You never know. We both know damn well that Cena isn't able to learn Psychic! On a serious note, Cena is almost 300 lbs of muscle. If he had gotten angry enough to actually hit her, we would've heard about it by now. Exactly. There would have been police reports splashed all over TMZ by now if this was the case. I don't doubt Liz has dirt on him and may threaten his image if she doesn't get a bigger payout, but think it's more cheating/steroids than him hitting her.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 12, 2012 11:43:59 GMT -5
Where's Clarence Mason when you need him?
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